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Old 03-08-2017, 11:36 PM   #351
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As I suspected with the Arrow, but that's good to hear that there's a new tooling in the works! It won't be an Avenger because Hobby Master already makes one, so that wouldn't be a new tooling. A CT-114 Tutor or a CF-100 Canuck would be my guesses. I'd be quite happy with either one!
Do NOT tease me with the Canuck. That would look awesome.

Time for the Clunk experts to weigh in and see if mold changes would be needed to support the various marks. If not, it could follow the arrow "one mold fits all" plan.

The black livery with white lightening bolt, like the museum example, would be cherry.

There's also euro camo, NMF, red wingtipped, training liveries etc.
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Thanks for the cheap shot Captain Mouthy...
it wasn't a cheap shot. it's a fact. canadian aviation engineers found their calling elsewhere thereafter and the industry just ran to the ground. if it didn't, i'm sure they could've built on that success and created something more spectacular?
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it wasn't a cheap shot. it's a fact. canadian aviation engineers found their calling elsewhere thereafter and the industry just ran to the ground. if it didn't, i'm sure they could've built on that success and created something more spectacular?
Canada did continue to design and build aircraft following the Arrow program failure though..

The Caribou, while perhaps not as glamorous, is clearly a more useful aircraft than the Arrow, and since then there have been more types produced by Canadair/DHC/Bombardier that have also proven very practical in service, notable the Dash-8 which is used all over the world.

Bombardier also design and manufacture trains.
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Bombardier also design and manufacture trains.
Do they make bombers as well ?
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I also previously mentioned for the new tooling..perhaps the CT-114 ..... But to be more precise now.....this CT-114 Snowbirds to go with my demonstration teams theme

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it wasn't a cheap shot. it's a fact. canadian aviation engineers found their calling elsewhere thereafter and the industry just ran to the ground. if it didn't, i'm sure they could've built on that success and created something more spectacular?
The bulk of AVRO engineers involved with the Arrow project moved to NASA and played a crucial role in the Apollo Program and putting a man on the moon.
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The bulk of AVRO engineers involved with the Arrow project moved to NASA and played a crucial role in the Apollo Program and putting a man on the moon.

Less we not forget that engineers of AVRO also worked on the Avrocar around the same time as the Arrow.

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I also previously mentioned for the new tooling..perhaps the CT-114 ..... But to be more precise now.....this CT-114 Snowbirds to go with my demonstration teams theme

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Preferably not #10 though.
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Is #10 the spare?
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Preferably not #10 though.

Ok....1 through 9

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The bulk of AVRO engineers involved with the Arrow project moved to NASA and played a crucial role in the Apollo Program and putting a man on the moon.
yes, they contributed to nasa. but imagine if canada had retained the talent. that arrow fiasco did change the landscape of canadian aviation immeasurably.

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Canada did continue to design and build aircraft following the Arrow program failure though..

The Caribou, while perhaps not as glamorous, is clearly a more useful aircraft than the Arrow, and since then there have been more types produced by Canadair/DHC/Bombardier that have also proven very practical in service, notable the Dash-8 which is used all over the world.

Bombardier also design and manufacture trains.
my bad then. not quite to the ground but probably quite close. yeah, travelled in those bombardier trains before and they were smooth. nice design too...
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here's another tip... you can collate all quotes by clicking on the "+" button (located between the "quote" and "quick") buttons and replying to the individual posts collectively
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yes, they contributed to nasa. but imagine if canada had retained the talent. that arrow fiasco did change the landscape of canadian aviation immeasurably.



my bad then. not quite to the ground but probably quite close. yeah, travelled in those bombardier trains before and they were smooth. nice design too...
Yeah, those Bombardier trains are very good. These are the ones we run here in Perth:



Bombardier are also very strong with rail signalling and infrastructure. In that capacity I work with their guys regularly and they are smart dudes.

The connexions between rail and defence engineering are actually very, perhaps even surprisingly, strong - another big player in the rail signalling and asset protection field are Ansaldo, who until recently were owned by Finmeccanica (recently Finmeccanica changed their name to Leonardo and divested Ansaldo though) who are, of course, the Italian partner for the Eurofighter, MDBA, Agusta-Westland and a bunch other other defence related companies.
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I believe this will be the next release

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Is #10 the spare?
From wiki ......."The show team flies 11 CT-114 Tutors—nine for aerobatic performances, including two solo aircraft, and two as spares, flown by the team coordinators. Approximately 80 Canadian Forces personnel work with the squadron full-time; 24 personnel are in the show team that travels during the show season. The Snowbirds are the only major military aerobatics team that operates without a support aircraft."

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After the Snowbirds, I'd like one of these, please:

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A quick look at old mate Google tells me the Tutor was flown by the RMAF too - which opens up further possible schemes..

However, my specific question wasn't answered by my admittedly brief search - does the Tutor share any lineage with the Tweet, or just a similar shape due to being from a similar era and performing a similar role?
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Ok....1 through 9
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A quick look at old mate Google tells me the Tutor was flown by the RMAF too - which opens up further possible schemes?
Here's a RMAF CL-41 Tebuan (CT-114 Tutor)

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That actually looks pretty decent, I'd chuck one in my cabs.

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is that the dart herald to the right?
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One more ....in flight...

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is that the dart herald to the right?
It sure looks like that distinctive tail....could well be.

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hahaha... i know you love your showbirds, but i think monsieur zen's suggestion gets my vote. that drab olive green on the rmaf bird isn't particularly attractive...
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It sure looks like that distinctive tail....could well be.

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Yeah the Dart Herald was used by the RMAF too, so I think that's some good sleuthing boys!
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Yeah the Dart Herald was used by the RMAF too, so I think that's some good sleuthing boys!
sky classics did come out with the 200 scale herald a long long time ago, didn't they? and guess what, upon further searches, this came out... in 72 scale!

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sky classics did come out with the 200 scale herald a long long time ago, didn't they? and guess what, upon further searches, this came out... in 72 scale!

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source: 1/72 Frog Herald Dart by Peter Mahoney
Wow, diecast of plastic?

The Sky Classics 200 would be nice I'm sure, I like their models. I have a few I have bought from ARD as part of my VN theme.
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Here's a RMAF CL-41 Tebuan (CT-114 Tutor)

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Wow didn't know anyone would operate Tutors but here ya go...

I'd buy this if it were done, OD camo so looks operational, interesting roundal, part of a Asia-Pacific theme. Reminds me of the strikemaster.
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The Malaysian Tebuan also had a little extra hardware under the wings.

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This RCAF Tutor is pretty sweet too:

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I know this thread is about the CWHM Arrow, but the talk of Tutors got me going. Here's one more for you aerobatic team fans - The Red Knight:

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Fuel tanks ?

Oh oh that Sabre in the back ground reminds me of another reason for HM to make a CAC Sabre



Then that opens the door for these

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now THESE i would certainly get!!! that paint job is awesome
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Preferably not #10 though.
What is the "technical" name of those panels that protrude outward on the side of the plane. Toward the tail end just behind the maple leaf? I suppose "speed brake"?

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What is the "technical" name of those panels that protrude outward on the side of the plane. Toward the tail end just behind the maple leaf? I suppose "speed brake"?
If referring to F-86 Sabre - pretty much just called "air brakes"...
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This RCAF Tutor is pretty sweet too:

When Canada decides to scrap the Tutor for a more advanced trainer perhaps they will be auctioned off to the public - would make for a sweet, 2 seat, private a/c...
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Now THAT is funny...
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Now THAT is funny...
I'm actually abit of a steamy fan myself. If HM started making trains, I'd probably get quiet a few.
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lol... i've got quite a few myself, but at OO gauge, they're space chompers. the flying scotsman is a definite must... essential for any self-respecting loco collection!
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Perhaps this jet engine beauty or even a flying battle battleship...
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lol... i've got quite a few myself, but at OO gauge, they're space chompers. the flying scotsman is a definite must... essential for any self-respecting loco collection!
Is that the amercom series ?
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Here's the way to go if you want to enjoy your very own private jet engine a/c. SubSonex build and total coast about $100K US (engine $40K).
I want one! Love the "Warthog" or "shark" nose art
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I want one! Love the "Warthog" or "shark" nose art
IMO it's a slight rip from the 70's BD-5 prop and BD-5J jet....yes I know the tail and engine placements are different .....here's the renamed version ....

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Ha ha, you guys crack me up. This is funny as

A Tutor would be a great little personal runabout, and probably not too expensive to fly. Quite a few people use Aero L-39 Albatrosses in that manner, despite their still being modern/performant enough to be used by the SyAF as a frontline type, and in the West as (commercial) aggressors.

I used to love my model trains as a kid and had quite a set. If I wasn't so heavily invested in diecast planes now (partially in terms of expenses, but primarily in terms of space TBH..) I would probably be building up a "grown-up" model railway layout, with scenery, tracks, stations and etc.

Model trains these days are exquisite, but damn expensive - especially with this zinc monkey on my back

And yeah, the space thing is a big issue - why have the trains without being able to run them, right?

Tomcatter, I have heaps of pictures of the Flying Scotsman IRL, as well as other locos from the era, both from when I lived in the UK as a kid and from a visit the loco made here, to Perth, in 1989 (the year we came back here..) with Pendennis Castle (another British steam loco, a 4-6-2 from the GWR), if you are interested?

No doubt there is somewhere appropriate here (Squawk Talk?) I could post them if you'd like.
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A Tutor would be a great little personal runabout, and probably not too expensive to fly. Quite a few people use Aero L-39 Albatrosses in that manner, despite their still being modern/performant enough to be used by the SyAF as a frontline type, and in the West as (commercial) aggressors.

I used to love my model trains as a kid and had quite a set. If I wasn't so heavily invested in diecast planes now (partially in terms of expenses, but primarily in terms of space TBH..) I would probably be building up a "grown-up" model railway layout, with scenery, tracks, stations and etc.

Model trains these days are exquisite, but damn expensive - especially with this zinc monkey on my back

And yeah, the space thing is a big issue - why have the trains without being able to run them, right?

TC, I have heaps of pictures of the Flying Scotsman IRL, as well as other locos from the era, both from when I lived in the UK as a kid and from a visit the loco made here, to Perth, in 1989 (the year we came back here..) with Pendennis Castle (another British steam loco, a 4-6-2 from the GWR), if you are interested?

No doubt there is somewhere appropriate here (Squawk Talk?) I could post them if you'd like.
monsieur tker... have you ever seen the series "silver spoons"? that's the sort of model i want!

you're pretty lucky to have lived in england back in the day... they have a thing for locomotives. almost every other private park has a mini-train (yes, some powered by steam still!) going round the estate! i believe the term "loco" was also derived from that obsession (okay, i jest. it has spanish origins)

but their days of glory has abated somewhat. even the likes of the shinkansen hurtling at 198.8mph, it is still overshadowed by the likes of the range topping koenigsegg at 273mph. sigh...
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IMO it's a slight rip from the 70's BD-5 prop and BD-5J jet....yes I know the tail and engine placements are different .....here's the renamed version ....

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I prefer the microjet but expect the price tag is twice that of the Subsonex - engine alone is probably $100K - great design!
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they're nice, aren't they? but personally, i'd prefer this instead. the vtol feature is most convenient... and it goes for just under $20k

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they're nice, aren't they? but personally, i'd prefer this instead. the vtol feature is most convenient... and it goes for just under $20k

Your own helicopter for under US$20,000
Kinda out there in the elements but at least you'd be flying. Fellow in photo is literally "flying by the seat of his shorts"...
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Goodness . just noticed that DA.C promoted me from, "Junior Collector" to, "Collector" ! Not bad I suppose for a couple of weeks of acquisition.
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