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Old 05-25-2016, 09:26 AM   #51
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Ok, this is interesting - the Flying Tigers site lists three more Hobby Master F-14's HA5204, 5208, 5209. Of which 5208 and 5209 are for VF-1

HA5208 Hobbymaster Grumman F-14A Tomcat VF-1 Wolfpack
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HA5208 Hobbymaster Grumman F-14A Tomcat NK100/158979 VF-1 Wolfpack USS Enterprise 1974

HA5209 Hobbymaster Grumman F-14A Tomcat NK105/158984 VF-1 Wolfpack 1975

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Ah... just made a new topic about these... doh
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Now's that's a spanner or two in the works! I don't need 3 JRs and 3 Wolfpacks..so i'll be real choosy. What does it take for one of them to make a rainbow tomcatter? I refuse to consider JC Wings' version.
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I hardly consider it a coincidence that they're doing the same exact released as Calibre... pathetic. I would be shocked if HM puts forth the effort (and $) needed to make this an accurate VF-1 F-14.
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ok, was all for the cat conveyer belt but it has gotten a little out of control now , can't keep up!

I'm more than happy to take a shot at this new one for wolf pack over hm. Nothing against hm but the amount you get vs price its kind of a no brainer.
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ok, was all for the cat conveyer belt but it has gotten a little out of control now , can't keep up!

I'm more than happy to take a shot at this new one for wolf pack over hm. Nothing against hm but the amount you get vs price its kind of a no brainer.
Assuming comparable quality/detailing/finish, which remains to be seen.
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The flooding of the market with high quality Tomcats is just what us collectors need! Good chance of several of them ... wait for it...
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The mold look awesome and the extras really give it value. Now the question becomes can Calibre paint them correctly?
These will sell out before they hit the shelves, anyone pre-ordering is taking a risk that these will be done with a quality finish. What a roll of the dice.
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Darn, at first I said to myself that I’ll add just one F-14 to my collection, the CW Aardvarks.
Then the CW JR came along so I pre-ordered that one...and now this one pops up from nowhere! This hobby is too addictive.
I found myself in exactly the same place, but with slightly different but just-as-expensive results. I'm waiting for the CW Aardvarks and have a pre-order entered for the Calibre Wings JR.
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These will sell out before they hit the shelves, anyone pre-ordering is taking a risk that these will be done with a quality finish. What a roll of the dice.
I dont think its that much of a risk and those waiting for a pre pro are probably going to be left without a model. The examples are there, HM and CW models I mean, it has to be at least comparible to the HM and it would be pretty odd if it doesnt accomplish at least that
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In case the model does turn out bad, there's also the option to cancel the order should the retailer terms and conditions allow it, assuming the collector was able to see the actual model before it was shipped. I can certainly see how some feel nervous about pre-ordering as Calibre is a new brand and it's only until you see the final production model released that you know for sure how the quality actually is.
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In case the model does turn out bad, there's also the option to cancel the order should the retailer terms and conditions allow it, assuming the collector was able to see the actual model before it was shipped.
True as well, I know the Mule will allow that
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Not a F-14 fan but may need to buy one of these! VF-1. 2v2 F5.A4 v 2 F-14s. Guess who won? Well a split as i recall "close in anyway!".
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It would be nice if, in addition to accuracy and fine detailing, Caliber Wings’ clear parts were actually thinner than the competition.
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Time to sell off all the CWs then? ;-)
Yeah, I was just thinking about that. I have a D Model Bounty Hunters. Any takers?
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From the picture posted on another thread, looks like Caliber has started from scratch on making these models and frankly, looks pretty good so far.




Very true very finely detailed
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Assuming comparable quality/detailing/finish, which remains to be seen.
HM has an issue with quality of finish and paint job. The paint tends to wear off revealing the bare metal underneath notably where the plane is handled most, wing root edges and any other surface wth sharp trailing edges.

We're not even talking about the livery that Calibre has to offer and cockpit detail, canopy frame, etc. (at least from what's seen on the mock up they posted).
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seeing the options offered by Calibre Wings......its something that neither HM nor CW could not offer... its awesome.......but as Always.....seeing is believing .....

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Not having unlimited funds to spend, I decided to go with just the Calibre JR model. To me it's a roll of the dice of they will be any better than CW. As well the first model out usually has issues. But if they do knock it out of the park, probably going to regret not getting the Wolfpack model. And if they do really a super job, going to have a hard time resisting shifting money away from CW and HM purchases towards this new company.
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I wish HM would release other schemes people want instead of trying to stifle Calibre's effort before it's born.

Despite me concerns about whether the models will end up being a lovely as those early photos show they have the potential to be I am going to take a punt on the Calibre VF-1 release.

TBH, I am a bit underwhelmed by HM's efforts so far with their admittedly very nice F-14 mould. The finish and detail compared to CW have killed my interest in all but the IRIAF release, and that I am only interested in because I don't see another one on anyone else's release schedule... yet.

Things like the crappy targeting pod - especially next to CW's equivalent - make me think I'd rather pay the extra $20 or whatever it is.

I'm the same with the AC Spooks as well though, much preferring them to HM's, and in a contest with HM head to head with AC (as with the Sundowners) it's AC I pick up... (Of course I have a whole bunch of HM Spooks and will still buy them, but their price isn't nearly as close to AC and the Tomcats are to CW...)
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Agreed, HM fumbled the ball on both the F-14 and F-15 and even after a year has produced ONLY one good USAF F-15.
Lets hope the competition gives HM the push to give collectors what they want with the quality we all know they are capable of.
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The way I see it, this company has everything to prove and seems very intent on taking the pole position in as far as Tomcats are concerned. They know about both the strong points AND the weaknesses of their competitors’ versions so are well positioned to get it right on their first releases. They also know that Tomcat fans are a ruthless bunch and that they expect a lot. It’s a winner takes all scenario because if they miss the boat, there is no coming back and all of us will go back to the relative comfort of CW or HM, whichever the case might be.
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Agreed, HM fumbled the ball on both the F-14 and F-15 and even after a year has produced ONLY one good USAF F-15.
Lets hope the competition gives HM the push to give collectors what they want with the quality we all know they are capable of.
At least there are two more Strike Eagles on the way - I really like their rendition of the Mudhen, but have been very disappointed by the other USAF models, as you say.

That's what's frustrating about the cut corners and clear errors - we all know they can do better, it's just sometimes they don't bother (or so it seems!).

Competition is definitely what's needed - a couple of months ago I was starting to get a bit bummed that HM was the only game in town, but since then CW has stepped up their releases, AC has started picking their pace up a bit and now Calibre are coming into the market.

One thing is for sure and that's these trends can only be good for the hobby.
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HM announced on the forums that there would be changes this year and they started cutting back on the numbers produced and seemed to be stepping back away from the collectors.
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With the competition, I think this will give a boost for HM to up it's game when they were just starting to do the opposite. Very good for collectors. Much more stressful for HM.
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It's certainly is good competition in terms of the F-14 but don't forget, HM does make a lot of types in diecast not produced by other manufacturers. However it would be interesting to see assuming Calibre's work is good, if they expand their product range - F-15, F-18 etc
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Oooooooooh. That would be great. New F-18 legacy hornets! And F-15Cs in the right color!
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It's certainly is good competition in terms of the F-14 but don't forget, HM does make a lot of types in diecast not produced by other manufacturers. However it would be interesting to see assuming Calibre's work is good, if they expand their product range - F-15, F-18 etc
They will! I was messaging with one of their point persons yesterday.
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They will! I was messaging with one of their point persons yesterday.
Could do with some 1/72 WWII warbirds too and a B-29
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Could do with some 1/72 WWII warbirds too and a B-29

I have a 1:72 Enola Gay and it is humongous!! (Not diecast)
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I have a 1:72 Enola Gay and it is humongous!! (Not diecast)
Damn! What's the wingspan on the 1/72 Enola Gay?
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Damn! What's the wingspan on the 1/72 Enola Gay?
B-29 "Enola Gay": Toys and Models Corporation

17" L 23.75" W

It fits in my display case but it has to be turned to the side.
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Oooooooooh. That would be great. New F-18 legacy hornets! And F-15Cs in the right color!
They may be better off getting a Super Hornet out before HM.
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Calibre would be best to look at a model niche that is being unfilled with a quality piece and properly make a good model like they have started with the F-14. Frankly, I would suggest the F-35 for them.

HM needs to back off the knee jerk reaction and start thinking. Popping out two wolf packs to counter this is selling a product in a saturated market and directly attacking a new competitor. It weakens both sides at at time he needs to properly use his resources. HM should look to strengthen it's current models and get the most out of the F-14 model with liveries collectors really want. William is already in a strong position, now he just needs to pay attention to his own quality and the consumer who are purchasing from him.

CW only choice is to make a top notch product better or lower the price, the latter unlikely. They can make more of the A-6, A-7 and F-8 but they need to pick good liveries. Or... make a new model that catches the hearts again of collectors. An F-117 would be a good model to display with the SR-71's. Or continue on with an accurate F-18 model to display with their F-14s.
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They could try with the Super Bug, the problem is Witty has pretty much produced an excellent model. Always a possibility quite a number of collectors will pass on any new tooling as they're more than happy with their Witty collection.

I think a key question is what will be the frequency of Calibre model releases. Will they match HM or will it be Air Commander where it's like once a year.
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HM announced on the forums that there would be changes this year and they started cutting back on the numbers produced and seemed to be stepping back away from the collectors.
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From whats being discussed on forums and from what William´s wrote my understanding is that lower production numbers are more result of lower ordering numbers from distributors, not that HM is stepping back away from the collectors. I think William several times mentioned that orders from distríbutors are lower than before and the production numbers are on limits of profitability. (JR F-14 will surely be different case). Anyway poor HM production quality (sometimes) and quite often coloring issues surely doesn´t help to increase the sales numbers IMO.
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Discretionary spending is down in the US along with US distributors getting stuck with bad HM models like the blue F-15 on their shelves. Expansion is good for HM if they still make a good product. But the quality control and loss of control over their factories as well poorly made models like the F-35 is squarely on HM's decision making process. HM could have sold many more F-16 CJ's but did not have confidence. They placed more this year on new models that are slow to make it on the shelves as well the decisions on who they are targeting.
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They could try with the Super Bug, the problem is Witty has pretty much produced an excellent model. Always a possibility quite a number of collectors will pass on any new tooling as they're more than happy with their Witty collection.

I think a key question is what will be the frequency of Calibre model releases. Will they match HM or will it be Air Commander where it's like once a year.
I've got one of the WW Superbugs and I'd agree they are very nice, but there is certainly scope for improvement. Detachable ordinance, more front line schemes (as opposed to anniversary) etc

Looking at Calibre's proposed F14 they could really claim the high end F18E/F market before HM finally get around to releasing theirs. The Superbug is still going to be around for many years to come.

The problem with the F35 at present is the absence of much scheme variation. Obviously that will change in the years to come but I'd wait until they start to appear world wide.

The F117 could certainly be an option for CW. Sunstar released some non-black schemes, so there is a bit of scope for variety (certainly more than the SR71 and that never held CW back ).
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i've got both calibre wings F-14 on preorder right now. With the HM preorder announcement, I may pick up the NK105 (1975) model since it's a different plane (pretty much same livery) but I'm going to wait since I got 2 CW, 2 Calbre, 1 HM on preorder.

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The point about CW is they don't appear able to do a new tooling. Talking about a CW F-117, F-35 etc seems almost irrelevant. Calibre's F-14 if their quality is indeed good will have a bigger impact on CW sales than HM. Unless Calibre release less models per year than CW.

HM is undoubtedly in a good position given their diverse range of aircraft types across different scales. Air Commander have been with us for quite a while now and as good as their F-4 is, I can't really say they've had much of an impact on HM sales.
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it was a wasted effort on the part of HM....not trying to correct their blunders of their F-15 Wrong paint colors which was too obviuos....and their F-35 models.....i know, it cost a lot of money to correct their mistakes.....but, was it worth continueing producing their mistakes on both models....rather than correcting it.... ?....
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it was a wasted effort on the part of HM....not trying to correct their blunders of their F-15 Wrong paint colors which was too obviuos....and their F-35 models.....i know, it cost a lot of money to correct their mistakes.....but, was it worth continueing producing their mistakes on both models....rather than correcting it.... ?....
Agreed. I almost picked up a f35 but the raised panels bugged me a lot. Only bought the f15e from them since it wasn't blue
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I suggest CW make a new mold because they need something other than the F-14 and SR-71 and many think the F-8 and A-7 are flawed. The F-117 has the same issues the SR-71 does ( as well the HM-F-22) , the lack of varied liveries but all have sold quite well. Skunkworks also models have a solid following among collectors.

I suggested the F-35 to Calibre because they look like they will expand out. HM is firing shots at them with the two Wolfpack models. The F-35 is a viable long term piece that will have plenty of future liveries to make and HM's version sucks. Calibre would nail HM and produce a model everyone is looking for as well there is no good one on the market YET. All VERY good reason for them to do so as well to make a statement back to HM.
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Really?? Who said that? So far they are still the best if not only models of them around. I've only seen comments for lack of liveries. These planes are no where near as popular as F-14's or F-4's.
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It's entirely possible HM already had these Wolfpack releases underway already, and Calibre's announcement forced their hand. I somewhat doubt a decision was made that quickly to undercut Calibre's opening announcement.
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I like CW's A-7 and F-8 but there were complaints about the seam running down the middle of the intakes on the bottom of the models. Did not phase me but apparently it was an issue with some.
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I like CW's A-7 and F-8 but there were complaints about the seem running down the middle of the intakes on the bottom of the models. Did not phase me but apparently it was an issue with some.
That's kinda what is preventing me from getting a Hobbymaster Fishbed. I normally don't mind subtle seams, but the one running down the center of the intake is too much for me.
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Old 05-27-2016, 11:08 AM   #98
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That's kinda what is preventing me from getting a Hobbymaster Fishbed. I normally don't mind subtle seams, but the one running down the center of the intake is too much for me.
I like the iraqi I have so much that I've never actually LOOKED at it before, probably still wont because if it is badly flawed Id rather not try to see it.
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Calibre Wings F14A "Wolfpack" now available for pre-order in the UK too!

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I suggest CW make a new mold because they need something other than the F-14 and SR-71 and many think the F-8 and A-7 are flawed.
First time I hear of this... Who are the "many?"
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