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Old 05-10-2016, 07:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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July 2016 Release as announced on Hawkone's website.

Hobby Master 1/72 Air Power Series (Jet Powered) HA2815 Lockheed F-22 Raptor "Maloney's Pony" 09-4174, 27th FS, Nov 2015

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Default Re: Hobby Master HA2815 USAF Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor "Maloney's Pony", 27th FS, 2

Is that "Maloney's Bologna Pony"? These F-22s all look the same to me. I got one of the earlier ones and that's all I'll ever need unless they figure out how to do a "stealth camo" paint job. (How's that for ironic?)
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Have they corrected the paint on their F-22s? If so, I'd consider this one since it is a FF Langley jet.
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Old 05-11-2016, 03:28 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Have they corrected the paint on their F-22s? If so, I'd consider this one since it is a FF Langley jet.
I think they have, to a point, at least from the photos i've seen.

There are some comparative photos towards the end of this thread: http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...ka-2014-a.html

I still think, IMO, that the first half dozen or so releases were the best though. Which is why recently when i wanted another F-22 for the collection, i scavenged around for one of the early releases.
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Because heaven forbid paint vary from aircraft to aircraft.

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Final Product Photos are up on Hawkone's website.

Hobby Master 1/72 Air Power Series (Jet Powered) HA2815 Lockheed F-22 Raptor "Maloney's Pony" 09-4174, 27th FS, Nov 2015

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The only grey colors they got correct for the F-22 imo was for the HA2802 Elemdorf AFB, AK. *sigh*

(I have the most recent Alaskan one and a couple of the others for visual comparison)
But this one's still a unique F-22, so I'll be getting it nonetheless.

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Yep, went back to the high contrast paint scheme. Seriously, can anyone try to explain values and contrast to the HM paint people?

Thank God at least Calibre is on the way to most likely compete with a quality die cast model. Going to decimate CW and just may take Hm down a few notches as well given HM cannot get the basic colors right.
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For heavens sake - never judge a model by photos.

Always see it in the flesh - then complain!

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That is so bad looking it makes FOV look good.
Seriously, buy a bad model so I can say its bad? The pictures say it all.
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Still would like to see how your hand made / Code 3 version of a F-22 should look. And I am talking bare metal / plastic paint job. Not redecorating a tail. Or war hammer stuff.
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Old 07-11-2016, 02:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Yes Shawn, I also cannot play the trumpet so I do murder on the high c's but that does not make me a pirate.
Huh you say?
It really does not matter if I can paint a model as good or not as a factory piece given I do not have all their resources, but I can see a bad product in front of me and be able to call it as such. I WISH I had the resources of HM to do it right because right now it is not getting done.

Every time you ask me something that has nothing to do with the core issue here, I do get to shoot you down a bit, but going back to the core issue, the models looks bad. ANYONE can see that.
Edit: Well most anyone, obviously HM's paint shop can't and you defend them...
Metal? Last time you said IT HAD to be plastic and that model was awesome.
Hmm, that HM F-16, also worked on the intake, painted the underside rear stabilizer fins and added a bit of detailing to the wing tanks.
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Yep, went back to the high contrast paint scheme. Seriously, can anyone try to explain values and contrast to the HM paint people?

Thank God at least Calibre is on the way to most likely compete with a quality die cast model. Going to decimate CW and just may take Hm down a few notches as well given HM cannot get the basic colors right.
Quite a bold statement to make - DECIMATE CW

Still, we shall see one way or the other when the Calibre model is released.
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Quite a bold statement to make - DECIMATE CW

Still, we shall see one way or the other when the Calibre model is released.
Maybe it's decimate as in the original Roman meaning.....in which case we can expect 10% of CWs sales to disappear

As I've got a Calibre Wings on pre-order I'm hoping they do the business though quality wise.
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We know CW does their production mainly as a side corporation and until Hm announce a F-14 model, was slow to produce. Since speeding up, they have had some missteps. Calibre themselves won't kill off CW, but with help from HM and CW tripping themselves, decimate might just be the word down the line. There may be a point when CW realizes their long term sales plan has reached a limit of diminishing returns. There is a reason you don't see them making the F-8 or A-7 any longer. This also could be a catalysis for CW coming back out with those lines.
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For heavens sake - never judge a model by photos.

Always see it in the flesh - then complain!

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I think that would defeat the purpose of buying an accurate model for display. And it's not like you can return the plane because "you don't like the grey."
(some people don't have the opportunity of seeing the model 1st hand before buying) Just sayin'

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Quite a bold statement to make - DECIMATE CW

Still, we shall see one way or the other when the Calibre model is released.
Not if you are using the portable decimatooor
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For heavens sake - never judge a model by photos.

Always see it in the flesh - then complain!

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Not everybody has a brick and mortar anywhere near them and images are the only option on buy/no buy from online.
It must be nice to jet off to HK and pick and choose HMs, no matter how goofy the errors.
Honestly your credibility is sinking faster than the pound.
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Not everybody has a brick and mortar anywhere near them and images are the only option on buy/no buy from online.
I'll defend any model from unwarranted criticism. Hobby Master, Century Wings, Aviation 72, even Corgi.

Nobody has to see them at a store first - just be patient and wait for additional photos (even from other collectors) to appear before judging.

A single photo is never enough evidence to judge colour - period.

By the way, my Hong Kong retailer gives me a 10% discount which he applies to all his regular customers. If you are in Renton, WA - go visit the Seattle Museum of Flight Gift Shop and you can inspect Hobby Master models to your heart's content.

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A single photo is never enough evidence to judge colour - period.
It also can make a huuuuuge difference looking at pictures on different screens - some HM colours which have looked really off (like the Canadian Forces BoB Hornet's baby-poo orange/brown - the starkest example I have noticed) on my work PC's monitors (which are all correctly adjusted, all three of them!) looked nowhere near as bad on my phone/tablet.

Which is more accurate IDK for sure, but I would have thought somewhere in the middle. So, as well as lighting and saturation of the picture itself you also need to consider the screen you are viewing the picture on too, and if possible perhaps look on different screens too...

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I'm sorry your jealousy is getting a hold of you.
Was that really necessary, Dan? It just sounds a bit mean spirited in response to a comment that surely was not meant to offend as that clear ad hominem certainly was.

I must admit that there are certain users of this forum who do come across as shills for the manus and whose credibility suffers accordingly IMO, but I think it would be better if we all tried to be polite and respect each other's opinions instead of flinging around snarky comments when it's more likely than not that no offence was originally offended.

It's like with the banter in which I will no longer engage with you Canadians due to the gross overreactions and hatred it creates. As you guys are a bit sensitive so I have ceased and desisted from risking ill humoured exchanges when it comes to the Canadian Forces.

Everyone else seems to be able to cope though and so we can still joke around with each other. A bit of tolerance and respect goes a long way mate.
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It also can make a huuuuuge difference looking at pictures on different screens - some HM colours which have looked really off (like the Canadian Forces BoB Hornet's baby-poo orange/brown - the starkest example I have noticed) on my work PC's monitors (which are all correctly adjusted, all three of them!) looked nowhere near as bad on my phone/tablet.
Interesting observation since I mainly check the forum and the collector site for new releases on my phone. I'll have to check my computer soon to see if that makes a difference. It's too bad there aren't any stores in NH that support the hobby. It'd be nice to see them in person before making a judgement.
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Interesting observation since I mainly check the forum and the collector site for new releases on my phone. I'll have to check my computer soon to see if that makes a difference. It's too bad there aren't any stores in NH that support the hobby. It'd be nice to see them in person before making a judgement.
In person is definitely best, but viewing a variety of images across a couple of screens definitely helps.

The same goes for photos of the original aircraft - as has been discussed the lighting, background, individual aircraft's weathering as well as all the normal photo variations apply there too so it's worth checking those on different devices/screens too.

For example I bought the 3WG Raptor recently and was a bit worried about the greenish tint HM's Raptors have on the leading edges, radomes, etc; however, I found plenty of pictures that actually matched perfectly (as well as others that didn't), both in my research and IRL looking at the model.

I like the HM Raptor mould and have two now - the first 'FF' Langley release and the '3WG' Elmendorf - with differences noticeable between the two, but both well within the bounds of what can be observed in real photos. The 'FF' one matches more closely the Raptor I have seen in the flesh, but that was on a very bright Aussie summer day. I kind of wish I had held off on the '3WG' release to get this one with its combat record and "nose" art, but I am not disatisfied with my '3WG' purchase at all.
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