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Old 04-21-2016, 10:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Do you guys think it's time for HM to make a new mould for the F-16? Or is it still worth milking while prices for the current F-16s are still going up?
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Old 04-21-2016, 11:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Do you guys think it's time for HM to make a new mould for the F-16? Or is it still worth milking while prices for the current F-16s are still going up?
I don't think Hobby Master would invest $100,000 in a new F-16 tooling when the existing one was only first released a few years ago and is also probably the best on the market.

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Old 04-21-2016, 11:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Ah, k. Thanks Dan. I didn't know when the tooling came out. I only brought it up because the gun port really bothers me and the engine blades in the air intake are non-existent (but someone already mentioned that you wouldn't really see it anyway - which is true, but I look at them, hehe). And there is that gap behind the cockpit on some releases.

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Old 04-22-2016, 01:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Ah, k. Thanks Dan. I didn't know when the tooling came out. I only brought it up because the gun port really bothers me and the engine blades in the air intake are non-existent (but someone already mentioned that you wouldn't really see it anyway - which is true, but I look at them, hehe). And there is that gap behind the cockpit on some releases.

I collect a lot of Vipers.
you are right the gun muzzle needs to show more bump, and the intake needs to be way deeper than what it is, besides the blades can be visible in a model when lights hit that area, also the GE engine nozzle is not accurate since it looks as straight as the P&W engine. The P&W engine show nice feathers on top but gets messy on the bottom. There is an extensive over usage of plastic as well, taking a large part in the main gear section, the nose cone, the entire tail part and the ventral fins. Bear cans on the wings for the C variant need an update very desperately, as it is it looks like a teen's pimple. Canopy doesn't function as it should with huge hinges that takes away the looks of an open canopy, the D variant canopy is simply wrong and AF1 had it more accurate than HM. The engine at the exhaust is by far the worst engine exhaust that HM ever gave, it simply doesn't look like an engine. The panels need to be much milder since at the thin front section it can make the model look cracky.For these reasons I think you are right, HM might as well make a new mold instead of going through so many updates.
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Old 04-22-2016, 06:17 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Missing intake blades and more detailed F-16 gun port were already many times mentioned on DA.C. and other forums, and many collectors would really appreciate these improvements. Intake blades are visible on F-16 in my opinion, in adition we all are displaying our models from front, not from the rear.
Are you considering contacting William about this?

Gun port can be maybe improved by small adaptation of existing mould, engine blades in the air intake can be easily added by inserting piece of plastic with fans before they insert that central angle bracket into the intake in production, or maybe by mould modification of that lower plastic part of fuselage with air intake and front landing gear bay. Or maybe even tampo printing - if technically possible - would be acceptable.

There are certainly more improvements possible as Stein and other collectors previously mentioned (I would also include extremely thick canopy looking like magnifying glass). Some of these improvements are matter of fine-tuning, some matter of production quality, some would be really costly, some could be fixed easily, but no need for completely new mould IMHO. Generally HM F-16 is nice mould imho and William is carefully calculating costs vs. payoffs and resulting sales increase. For example if they change material from plastic to metal, it will probably bring them 0 more customers.
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...Generally HM F-16 is nice mould imho and William is carefully calculating costs vs. payoffs and resulting sales increase. For example if they change material from plastic to metal, it will probably bring them 0 more customers.
It's a very good point. As much as collectors wish it wasn't a factor, unfortunately the diecast manufacturers are a business. HM have done very well to take the mould to the current level of "quality". I think if a competitor brand were to release a significantly better F-16 model at the same price point, then HM may consider the changes to win back their market share.
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I think so too, if indeed a competitor comes up with an equally nice mold and with some better details then HM might take a step.
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HM's existing F-16 mold would be fine if they'd ever stop pumping out the 95th overall grey schemed model, it just gets kind of tiresome and redundant after a while, and there are literally dozens of interesting and colorful schemes they could do if they chose to.
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HM's existing F-16 mold would be fine if they'd ever stop pumping out the 95th overall grey schemed model, it just gets kind of tiresome and redundant after a while, and there are literally dozens of interesting and colorful schemes they could do if they chose to.
Cuz that green and black Italian number just flew off the shelves.
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Old 04-22-2016, 03:02 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Anyway still believe that at least the two improvements mentioned by Kangaroo (awfull gun port and missing intake blades) wouldn´t be that much expensive and relatively easily doable for HM - this year, next year, whenever.
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Old 04-22-2016, 08:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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its so easy to ask or suggest a new moulding......if someone knew the price to make a new moulding and share at least the half of the price.... im the first to go foer a new moulding of any diecast model....lol
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while i agree most of the changes proposed here would be easy, the intake blades would need a significant redesign of the mold at least, and a total redesign of the mold if they were to do it correctly.

The intake fan in the F-16 is very deep in the airframe behind the main gear.
The intake on the model at the moment is far too shallow, if they just put the fan blades in without changing it then it would be a gross misrepresentation of how far forward they really are and in my opinion would make it look toy-ish from the front, rather than just under-detailed.

As someone mentioned above they might be able to get away with just modifying the plastic lower fuselage (which is still a significant modification), however it would still be a misrepresentation and in my opinion the blades would be far too visible. I would be happy if the intake was extended within the plastic part and just painted dark inside, because the fan is so deep in the airframe that in most photos you cannot even see the fan unless it has been artificially illuminated.

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Cuz that green and black Italian number just flew off the shelves.
I confess to being one of the several people who did not buy that particular HM F-16.
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I confess to being one of the several people who did not buy that particular HM F-16.
I am guilty of not buying it as well - course in my humble opinion it is so ugly that it is not too bad
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while i agree most of the changes proposed here would be easy, the intake blades would need a significant redesign of the mold at least, and a total redesign of the mold if they were to do it correctly.

The intake fan in the F-16 is very deep in the airframe behind the main gear.
The intake on the model at the moment is far too shallow, if they just put the fan blades in without changing it then it would be a gross misrepresentation of how far forward they really are and in my opinion would make it look toy-ish from the front, rather than just under-detailed.

As someone mentioned above they might be able to get away with just modifying the plastic lower fuselage (which is still a significant modification), however it would still be a misrepresentation and in my opinion the blades would be far too visible. I would be happy if the intake was extended within the plastic part and just painted dark inside, because the fan is so deep in the airframe that in most photos you cannot even see the fan unless it has been artificially illuminated.
I agree the intake would take a new mold, and just taking it far enough would be nice. Although I would like a fan blade at the end. The engine exhaust would also need a new mold, this piece is already toyish looking. heck HM is having problems with just the bear cans, so are they going to make all these more complicated adjustments?
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...heck HM is having problems with just the bear cans...
What on earth are bear cans if HM are having problems with bears perhaps they should call the park ranger. Can someone let William know
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Old 04-23-2016, 03:38 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I dont have a witty but have a dragon and a hm. If the hobby master is toyish what on earth would you call the dragon?
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A spinning mobile for a baby? (not calling you that steve)
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perhaps if all the complainants contibute even only the half of the price for a new mold of an F-16.....it may be arranged by Wiliam and we will all be happy....
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What on earth are bear cans if HM are having problems with bears perhaps they should call the park ranger. Can someone let William know
, its the small tiny piece on each LE Flap ( slats). You see something similar in HM F-15 but they are much nicer on HM F-15 and they are farther and close to the edge of the wings for the F-15.

Mar_ji, you are bringing up the cost and you are right cost is the only issue that prevents HM from these updates. But, had HM made a much better mold in the first place we would have not had these issues with the current model(s).
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I dont have a witty but have a dragon and a hm. If the hobby master is toyish what on earth would you call the dragon?
an animal that spits fire
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, its the small tiny piece on each LE Flap ( slats). You see something similar in HM F-15 but they are much nicer on HM F-15 and they are farther and close to the edge of the wings for the F-15.
Are you sure about that? So if you were to approach an F-16 pilot and say "bear cans" they would know what you're talking about.

In all of the research and discussions I've seen about the F-16, I have never heard that expression mentioned.
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its the smaller piece (read the subtitles for bear cans):

aiw.jpg photos | F-16.net

and yes it is "Beer Can" not bear, I misspelled it the first time

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its the smaller piece (read the subtitles for bear cans):

aiw.jpg photos | F-16.net

and yes it is "Beer Can" not bear, I misspelled it the first time
Ah that makes it all clear... bear cans indeed

It's still a term I've not come across and I could see how the expression probably came about.

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