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Old 04-20-2016, 09:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi, I´m thinking about Dragon F/A-18 Black Aces to pair with my FOV Black Aces F-14, but I´m rather confused about the colors.

On the internet there are many very differently colored pictures of this model varying from very light grey:





or here ....


...up to rather bluish grey - like this one or on Flyingmule photo:






Can anyone tell
- how the actual color on Dragon F/A-18 Black Aces really looks like? More to the light grey or more to the blueish grey?

- is the real grey of Dragon Black Aces Superbug close to FOV Black Aces F-14 grey?

- can anyone maybe pick up or post a photo / link with best matching colors to actual model?

And last question:
there were actually at least three releases of Dragon Black Aces Super Hornet, 50284, 50177 and 50179 - basic colors were all the same?

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Some other photos I´ve found:
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...lack-aces.html
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Old 04-22-2016, 07:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Really no one has this Dragon Super Bug in collection to give me some advice which photo best corresponds to actual model color?
Thank you for opinion. Ladia
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Really no one has this Dragon Super Bug in collection to give me some advice which photo best corresponds to actual model color?
Thank you for opinion. Ladia
Alright, I'll try to offer some assistance. Mine looks closest to the Flying Mule picture, the others look "washed out", ie. too bright, which is hardly surprising, at least in the case of the second pic which was taken with a very inexpensive point and shoot camera. FWIW, I often use the Mules pictures for a reference when I'm considering adding a particular model to my collection, IMO they are some of the best you'll find from a retailer.
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Old 04-22-2016, 01:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Perfect, my special thanks go to Marylandistan .

So just to be sure - in the flesh looks Dragon F/A-18 Black Aces more blueish than on photos here, here, here and here. Is that correct understanding?
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Perfect, my special thanks go to Marylandistan .

So just to be sure - in the flesh looks Dragon F/A-18 Black Aces more blueish than on photos here, here, here and here. Is that correct understanding?
This is a tough one, not to dodge your question but lighting conditions do play a role in how you or I perceive certain colors.

Here is another pic from the mule that probably represents more accurately how my model looks in "average" lighting conditions, as opposed to the Mule pic you posted which looks darker, and hence has more of that "bluish" tint you are referring to......

Dragon Models 50284 - F/A-18 Hornet Diecast Model, USN VFA-41 Black Aces, NH101, USS Nimitz, 2003: The Flying Mule
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It appears to be there are 2 Dragon VFA-41 Super Bugs. In the first posting, if you look at the modex number - they are different. One is 100 and the other is 101. Perhaps the 100 is more blue than the 101 that appears to be grey looking at the pics overall.
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Here's yet another reason why colors are seen differently...perhaps add this to the equation - the display monitor?

Why Aren't Different Display Colors the Same in Different Monitors? - Computer Knowledge

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Actually I´ve found 3 Dragon Black Aces, Eagle Flyer, and if its true what ArcLight wrote about relatively correct colors on Flyingmule, each one has slightly different shade of grey, from 50177 being most blueish to DM-50284 with most neutral pale grey.

DM-50177


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So maybe this could be reason of different looking Black Aces SuperBugs on different pictures.

But can also be that there were actually only two editions of Dragon Black Aces (more blueish and less blueish) with 50179 and 50284 being exactly same models in same colors, only 50284 came with extra carrier base and 3 figures?

Would be nice if someone could confirm this theory.
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Actually I´ve found 3 Dragon Black Aces, Eagle Flyer, and if its true what ArcLight wrote about relatively correct colors on Flyingmule, each one has slightly different shade of grey, from 50177 being most blueish to DM-50284 with most neutral pale grey.....


So maybe this could be reason of different looking Black Aces SuperBugs on different pictures.

But can also be that there were actually only two editions of Dragon Black Aces (more blueish and less blueish) with 50179 and 50284 being exactly same models in same colors, only 50284 came with extra carrier base and 3 figures?

Would be nice if someone could confirm this theory.

Ladislav, I think what you are seeing is the effects of slightly different background colors and lighting conditions in the Flying Mule pics, for example in the 1st pic (DM-50177) the background is a much darker shade of blue (at least to my eyes) and I think that may to some extent account for why you are perceiving more "bluish tint" on that one.

I seriously doubt these are all three painted in different shades of gray and I suspect the only difference is the modex numbers and perhaps some small details, and they are all painted the same shade of gray.

These high quality videos by Ed Kao of two of these models would seem to confirm my suspicion on the shade of grey they're painted as both seem the same to me and the conditions that these were video'd under would appear to be identical.

DM-50177 -- https://vimeo.com/53315793

DM-50179 -- https://vimeo.com/53316113

BTW, for clarification DM-50284 and DM-50179 (modex #101) are the exact same model except Dragon sold one (50284) that came with a carrier deck diorama and 3 figures.

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I managed to find a few pics of 100 via google and the colour does look grey. Doesn't look bluish or at the most a very light tint. Personally I think it's close enough to the actual aircraft colour wise.
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Not the best lighting conditions but here you go.

This is the Dragon Models F/A-18F USN VFA-41 Black Aces, NH100, CAG, USS Nimitz, 2003 (model# DM-50177) and the Unimax Forces of Valor F-14A USN VF-41 Black Aces, AJ101, USS Theodore Roosevelt, Operation Desert Storm, 1991 (model # UM-85237)

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Wow! Your photo says it all, Supersphinxman. And great thanks to all you guys - this is why I so like this forum.

Good point with Ed Kao´s videos too. 10179 and 50177 really appear to be same colors. From this respect it now looks like the 3 different greys on Flyingmule photos come most probably from different light conditions or maybe different gamma setting of each picture - if you check the display stand - it appears much more dark on 50177 photo; most stand details are visible on the lightest 10579 picture.

So finally it looks like all three Dragon Black Aces have the same color which is quite sensitive to ambient lighting, which is slightly more blueish compared to FOV F-14A Black Aces grey and is roughly similar to Flyingmule 50284 picture.

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