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Old 04-14-2016, 02:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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WOW....One of the Russian SU-24 jets flew within 75 feet of the USS Donald Cook's ship superstructure. (so it was reported).

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I'm sure they were just as excited to watch. Like their very own airshow.
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Full respect to the sailors aboard the Donald Cook for both going into harm's way and having the good sense to act with dignity and restraint. The Cook was in the Black Sea before and now in the Baltics right at the pointy end of Russian aggression.
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WOW....One of the Russian SU-24 jets flew within 75 feet of the USS Donald Cook's ship superstructure. (so it was reported).

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kind of wondering what would have been the reaction of US navy/air force if russian warship was in international waters say 30 miles from NY (this was the distance to russian terriory here).
p.s. russian jet was unarmed
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kind of wondering what would have been the reaction of US navy/air force if russian warship was in international waters say 30 miles from NY (this was the distance to russian terriory here).
p.s. russian jet was unarmed
Russian subs near US coast pose no threat: Pentagon | Alternet

There's your answer.

Russian offensive population killing ships routinely sit off the US coast and the US responds by stating that they are in international waters and are well withing their rights to be.
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Russian subs near US coast pose no threat: Pentagon | Alternet

There's your answer.

Russian offensive population killing ships routinely sit off the US coast and the US responds by stating that they are in international waters and are well withing their rights to be.
Any pictures of a warship like USS Donald Cook (not a sub) 20 miles of US territorial waters and without beeing escorted by US aircraft/ships ?

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Any pictures of a warship like USS Donald Cook (not a sub) 20 miles of US territorial waters and without beeing escorted by US aircraft/ships ?
so, you're pretty committed to drawing a distinction without a difference, aren't you? the USS donald cook has no significant offensive capability, unlike russian ballistic and cruise missile subs.

have you by any chance looked at a map of the baltic sea recently? notice that it's almost entirely surrounded by NATO members or NATO-friendly members who warmly welcome cooperation with the US military given the conga line of thereats and provocations coming from russia?

is there any possible way that running a simulated attack profile against a ship in international waters .. especially after that ship had the courtesy to communicate with a russian intelligence ship trailing it .. is a sane or civilized thing to do?
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so, you're pretty committed to drawing a distinction without a difference, aren't you? the USS donald cook has no significant offensive capability, unlike russian ballistic and cruise missile subs.

have you by any chance looked at a map of the baltic sea recently? notice that it's almost entirely surrounded by NATO members or NATO-friendly members who warmly welcome cooperation with the US military given the conga line of thereats and provocations coming from russia?

is there any possible way that running a simulated attack profile against a ship in international waters .. especially after that ship had the courtesy to communicate with a russian intelligence ship trailing it .. is a sane or civilized thing to do?

What simulated attack ?
And are you saying the USS Donald Cook is a cruise ship ?
I read it is a guided missile destroyer with Tomahawk missiles, so it has significant offensive capability.

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so, you're pretty committed to drawing a distinction without a difference, aren't you? the USS donald cook has no significant offensive capability, unlike russian ballistic and cruise missile subs.

have you by any chance looked at a map of the baltic sea recently? notice that it's almost entirely surrounded by NATO members or NATO-friendly members who warmly welcome cooperation with the US military given the conga line of thereats and provocations coming from russia?

is there any possible way that running a simulated attack profile against a ship in international waters .. especially after that ship had the courtesy to communicate with a russian intelligence ship trailing it .. is a sane or civilized thing to do?
Yes, I'm a trying to make a distinction here - subs are routinely on patrol, sending a destroyer close to territorial waters is like making a statement. And obviously baltic sea is so small that you can't do any NATO cooperation exercise somewhat more remote from russia, say near Gotland, or Latvia, or even 15 miles to the west along polish shore. Even the fact that baltic sea "almost entirely surrounded by NATO members or NATO-friendly members" gives you no space for exercise but just right there close to russian shore.

I thinks you should educate yourself about "no significant offensive capabilities" of USS Cook, especially on tomahawks. Cook might hold enough for all kaliningrad enclave.

And about simulated attack profiles - these russkies are still at the WWI level, they indeed need to come 75 feet close in order to attack... And as far as I know part of attack (profile) is usage of a targeting radar which was not used otherwise USS Cook would have reacted differently.
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And finally a bit more about real non-offensive capability, but which forces russian to react on a potential threat
"On 12 November 2009, the Missile Defense Agency announced that Donald Cook would be upgraded during fiscal 2012 to RIM-161 Standard Missile 3 (SM-3) capability in order to function as part of the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System.[20]"
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In case Cook was launching a polish helicopter as it claims and depending on interpretation of " simulated attacks by the simulated use of weapons against aircraft and ships", russians might be violating a '72 agreement which says
"Article IV
Commanders of aircraft of the Parties shall use the greatest caution and prudence in approaching aircraft and ships of the other Party operating on and over the high seas, in particular, ships engaged in launching or landing aircraft, and in the interest of mutual safety shall not permit: simulated attacks by the simulated use of weapons against aircraft and ships, or performance of various aerobatics over ships, or dropping various objects near them in such a manner as to be hazardous to ships or to constitute a hazard to navigation."

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These modern warships can detect an aircraft approaching from dozens of miles away, it has been suggested before that if they start to get too close to the ship, the offending AC could simply be "painted" with active missile guidance radars, which would tend to send a clear message that two can play at "the game", of course the US Navy won't do that (orders from the highest levels) because that would be "provacative", unlike what the Russians are doing, which is just "boys being boys" of course, and all in good fun.
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Perhaps it's an anniversary flypast. Reading the press, apparently this same ship was buzzed by two Su24's back in April 2014.
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"This is why the Navy didn't shoot down Russian Jets"

(A retired ships Captain perspective)

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So, this is life on the other side of mirror where in a world where russia has recently invaded multiple countries and stolen their land (and has threatened the use of nuclear weapons to cement its theft) and which has repeatedly threatened the baltic states on any number of levels (including some of the most shameless nonsensical propaganda ever known to man), it's somehow NATO who his "provoking" russia by daring to sail a vessel on the open seas to our allies (who want us there by the democratic mandate oftheir free poeple) which might be armed with a few tomahawks with their mighty 1000-lb warheads. And which would be sunk in a matter of minutes if it actually initiated offensive action.

mlk211 - yes, i repeat: a single ship such as uss cook has no significant offensive capabilities (subject to where it is and the potential adversaries it would face if it initiated any kind of offensive action). in fact, the USS cook, an arleigh burke class destroyer, was almost certainly chosen for its mission of showing the flag and reassuring our allies SPECIFICALLY because it has such limited offensive capability and because it can be tracked so easily. in fact, you can argue that the Arleigh Burke class destroyer is exactly the least threatening ocean going vessel that the US navy has that it could send on such missions, short of sending submarine tenders, refueling ships, or amphibious transport docks. if you disagree, name the US navy ship that could be sent that could be less threatening - the USS constituion perhaps?

again, and i want to emphasize: this all makes the crew of the uss cook heroic men who show the flag with honor and restraint in the face of an irredentist, aggressive, provocative, neo-fascist russia. The US (and its allies like Canada) are doing the RIGHT THING in supporting free peoples and the yearning of those who want to be free against the neo-fascists in the kremlin.

also: kaliningrad is an exclave, not an enclave. i really wonder what you think a destroyer with tomahawks could do agianst a city like that? really, let's hear it, john paul kones. let's hear your view as to what possibly a single destroyer attacking an exceptionally well defended piece of land and obviously in the radius of very significant enemy air opposition (ie, no local air superiority whatsoever) with the 1000 pound strategic strike weapon that is a tomahawk could do. name your absolute best case scenario for an arleigh burke class destroyer's offensive capability given the 28 meter lethal blast range of its tomahawks.

What the US could do if it wanted to take a real stand, is start flying relay runs from Incirlik to vinnitsiya via crimea, donetsk, and lugansk - all internationally recognized ukrainian airspace. it would be interesting to see what the kremlinist response would be. i suspect that putin would hold his fire, but i also (and I again want to emphasize this) think it's too big a risk to take.

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"This is why the Navy didn't shoot down Russian Jets"
shorter version: because they were in no immediate danger despite the provocative posturing by russia and they were ordered to operate with prudence and caution. again, the crew of the USS Cook know the game - they are there to show the flag and to not be intimidated by russia's juvenile provocations.
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It's just a friendly fly-by, no need to start a war.
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