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Old 04-04-2016, 08:58 PM   #201
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Can HM add the AJ on the vertical stabs? I cannot see it in pre-pro.
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Can HM add the AJ on the vertical stabs? I cannot see it in pre-pro.

Theres a pre-pro?
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Theres a pre-pro?
He means the marketing promo pic
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Can HM add the AJ on the vertical stabs? I cannot see it in pre-pro.
it''s not a pre-pro... it's a pro model and no, it's not present on the pro model.
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Considering HM's Christine looks fresh off the assembly line (and was a 30 year old Tomcat) that should really get your goat! Just sayin.

Christine was far from pristine.
very nice picture, say FFP1 is the square shape at the end of the nacelle (where you can see the black engine and where you criticized HM for not painting correctly) confined to the D model only? because I am seeing on CW some of the B models have it too. I can see the D is always square but the B sometimes square and sometimes round like the A model.
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He means the marketing promo pic
Isn't it on there too?
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Only Dragon and HM (see the early MiG-21s like Big Fish) ever got the weathered and knackered look right. And collectors threw a fit because of HM's weathering efforts.

Corgi looks like a Ray Charles vs Stevie Wonder finger painting exhibit.

And I've never seen anything from CW/XP/AC that is worth mentioning.

But yes, lets piss and moan because Christine looks nice and new. SMDH.

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Yeah I have big fish and a few Dragin P-51's and they are nice. The corgi bunker hill corsair is kinda nice also

So are we now conplaining there's no weathering ? I just wanted a matte finish, not asking the world

Anyway..... This is a HM Jolly Rogers topic, not the varks, this will be matte anyway, thanks HM
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Hello all. Longtime reader, first post.

After reading this thread, I emailed HM expressing concern over the loadout. I had a reply from William this morning stating that for this release only, optional glove pylons will be provided to accommodate both the six AIM-54 loadout and a more conventional set of Sparrows and Sidewinders. Great news and great customer service from HM!

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Hello all. Longtime reader, first post.

After reading this thread, I emailed HM expressing concern over the loadout. I had a reply from William this morning stating that for this release only, optional glove pylons will be provided to accommodate both the six AIM-54 loadout and a more conventional set of Sparrows and Sidewinders. Great news and great customer service from HM!

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OMG! Darn William is making it SOO hard to not buy 2... i mean.. why just stop at 2?
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Ok with this news I think everybody will be happy.
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I also have William's confirmation that 2 AIM 7 will be provided as optional for outer pylons.
Tks gdness, phew! !
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But yes, lets piss and moan because Christine looks nice and new. SMDH.
You are beyond ridiculous. SYDH all you want, you don't question a guy who is upset that a HIGH-VIS paint scheme looks HIGH-VIS but I mention that a highly weathered, low-vis Tomcat looks as if it just came out of the paint factory with a semi-gloss-ish paint job and that's pissing and moaning.

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I also have William's confirmation that 2 AIM 7 will be provided as optional for outer pylons.
Tks gdness, phew! !
That's a good move. Kudos to HM.
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oh dear... i wonder how much more some people wanna pay hm for extra pylons and load outs especially since it's gonna cost more than 1 yuan each

strange too that someone groaning about a low-vis tomcat that looks as if it just came out of the paint factory with a semi-gloss-ish paint job but thinks nothing of an approximately 3 years in service tomcat that looks as it it just came out of the paint factory with a high gloss paint job

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The Kleenex and Pie Face getting a work out this week

What's that now ? 2 extra phx's and now 2 extra pylons for zero cost ? My 1 yuan was clearly an over estimate

Props once again to HM for listening and giving everyone what they want
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You are beyond ridiculous. SYDH all you want, you don't question a guy who is upset that a HIGH-VIS paint scheme looks HIGH-VIS but I mention that a highly weathered, low-vis Tomcat looks as if it just came out of the paint factory with a semi-gloss-ish paint job and that's pissing and moaning.
Yes because your expecting something we all know isn't gonna happen with Christine. Or any other long in the tooth F-14 made.

But to cool your panties...

Ukrainian Falcons, its silly to ask CW to do a weathered Aardvarks F-14. You know they will never try weathering.
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Ukrainian Falcons, its silly to ask CW to do a weathered Aardvarks F-14. You know they will never try weathering.
I would hate to think what they'd do for weathering.... Perhaps the liberal use of panel wash on those "40cm" trenches ?
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Rant ON.

Seriously why are some of you clowns contacting HM over concern for the loadout? Are you really that bent out of shape about a 6 phoenix load? Godjesus it's not like there aren't 50 other releases with a 'more appropriate operational load', just go buy one of those and pass on this! Well, now you won't have to because HM did the awesome thing and included your precious Sparrows too. Wow, bunch of sallies.

More concern about an 'unrealistic' load than a 1970s Tomcat with a TARPS pod.

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What I don't get is why they can't just leave the extra's in the box ? Someone holding a gun to their heads forcing them to put on every single phoenix

Someone saying they'll pass on a model because there are too many options is just retarded
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strange too that someone groaning about a low-vis tomcat that looks as if it just came out of the paint factory with a semi-gloss-ish paint job but thinks nothing of an approximately 3 years in service tomcat that looks as it it just came out of the paint factory with a high gloss paint job
and we're circling back to this... so I didn't realize a 3 year old, semi-gloss finish Tomcat should resemble a 30 year old, flat-painted Tomcat. Silly me, I had no idea 27 years was such a small time gap...
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I would hate to think what they'd do for weathering.... Perhaps the liberal use of panel wash on those "40cm" trenches ?
If CW's panel lines are trenches, HM's are canyons... and that's not being a "fanboy", I like all of my HM models but sometimes I look at these panel lines and I'm like WHY???

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Rant ON.

Seriously why are some of you clowns contacting HM over concern for the loadout? Are you really that bent out of shape about a 6 phoenix load? Godjesus it's not like there aren't 50 other releases with a 'more appropriate operational load', just go buy one of those and pass on this! Well, now you won't have to because HM did the awesome thing and included your precious Sparrows too. Wow, bunch of sallies.

More concern about an 'unrealistic' load than a 1970s Tomcat with a TARPS pod.

/Rant
There must be a concern on HM's part too otherwise they wouldn't agree to including alternate loadout's.
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Actually I don't think either have good or bad panel lines, that was a quote from another dac member lol

As for HM's concerns, they are either giving us what we want to have an edge over CW or just giving it away to shut up both sides of the fence
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HM have in the past where there's uncertainty about "accuracy" offered both options. Decals for a marking that may or may not have been on the actual aircraft and then there's the F-16 Foxbat killer. Only JDAM's were originally planned as the bombs. After concerns were raised that JDAM's might not have been in use at the time of the livery, LGB's were also included.
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and we're circling back to this... so I didn't realize a 3 year old, semi-gloss finish Tomcat should resemble a 30 year old, flat-painted Tomcat. Silly me, I had no idea 27 years was such a small time gap...
oh i dunno... mebbe after thirty years they decided to give her a new coat of paint for her final cruise?

then again... mebbe they give tomcats a coat of paint every year and hence they look glossy even after 3 years of service
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If it took 30 yrs to get a new paint job for Christine, you really think the navy has the time and money for after 3 ?
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If it took 30 yrs to get a new paint job for Christine, you really think the navy has the time and money for after 3 ?
oh i dunno, some people think the navy doesn't have the time and money after 30
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Beautiful. Finally I might have a chance of picking up a JR Tomcat in their old school high viz livery as I came to the hobby late and they were all off the market before I could grab one.

Last time they were still selling in stores in Austalia, I believe they were going for ~$100. This one is now listed for $215. Argh!!
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This is a nice present JR F-14 by HM. I have preordered. Please keep QC in good place and HM should get this In hot sale.
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yellow helmets a nice touch. The overuse of the same silver paint everywhere really cheapens the overall look of these, however.

I'll take the CW anniversary bird, thank you. Will be happy to buy HM tomcats when they come out with schemes that they could do really well, like the NSWAC bird. I mean, that's an actual livery that HM could uniquely do well given their current paint process. It'll sell really well and nobody has done it..
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Beautiful. Finally I might have a chance of picking up a JR Tomcat in their old school high viz livery as I came to the hobby late and they were all off the market before I could grab one.

Last time they were still selling in stores in Austalia, I believe they were going for ~$100. This one is now listed for $215. Argh!!


same here! these are twice the price of a few years ago in blighty. £40-50 gbp instead of £95-100 now!!

fortunate son. well I can't see 'overuse' of silver paint!!! and model doesn't look 'cheap' at all. and CW F-14s are not perfect either!! glad I ordered this. and will order the second HM JR instead of waiting for calibre JR in case they never make it to u.k. if they do 'hit the ball out of the park' then there will be other releases. and hopefully a u.k distributor.
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Impressive. Compares very nicely with my CW AJ207.
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Looking great so far, can't wait for it to release, I guess around June?
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Impressive. Compares very nicely with my CW AJ207.
I was thinking the same thoughts too, it will accompany the new CW Jolly Rogers very well... It seems that anything 'Jolly Rogers' is getting very popular these days and if you find an older CW F-14 JR model on eBay today, it almost always sells for big bucks $$$ no matter what condition it's in, new or 'used'...
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Excellent job from HM! Virtually no fuselage gaps, perfectly tight wings and wing gloves seams, painted nose/chin sensor, correct colors, overall nice and clean looking model. One of the best models HM ever made - if not the very best ever!


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- ugliness and old-fashionedness of fatty HM pilot figures stands out more and more with every new model
- really cannot imagine this beauty standing on the cheap-looking and ever wiggling HM stand. Display stand and pilot figures are many levels below CW.
- why such perfect tight fuselage gaps (corrected during production) cannot be in the same way corrected during production of Phantoms - on much more awful and much more prominent gaps between air intakes and fuselage?
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fortunate son. well I can't see 'overuse' of silver paint!!! and model doesn't look 'cheap' at all. and CW F-14s are not perfect either!! glad I ordered this. and will order the second HM JR instead of waiting for calibre JR in case they never make it to u.k. if they do 'hit the ball out of the park' then there will be other releases. and hopefully a u.k distributor.
have you ever spent any quality time with an HM tomcat up close? they use exactly the same "crayola basic silver" paint on the nose probe, wing leading edges, gun port, oleo strut, vertical stab leading edges (on this JR) and elsewhere. if you're a "finish" guy like i am, it's very noticeable.

CW tomcats are far from perfect. however, as one who owns both of the first two HM tomcats, i'll just say that it would take a very special or unique scheme for me to buy a HM tomcat again. I'm sure there will be such a scheme, but given that this exact scheme will be available from CW soon (and i have the first CW), i'll stay away from this with a barge pole.

I have no doubt whatsoever that this will be available from UK retailers.

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-next critisicm:

A TARPS pod on a F-14? ? Jolly Rogers were the first to use it starting from '81.

Tomcat Alley-TARPS Tomcats

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Hobby Master seem to be on a learning curve for their F-14's and that curve is looking really good. A nice model, this should sell very well.
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Looks great from the photos, will make a nice pairing with the CW anni version. As this is normal configuration compared to the landing mode of the CW model.

Considering CW have included a TARPS pod with many of their F-14 models, probably not much point in complaining... too much
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A TARPS pod on a F-14? ? Jolly Rogers were the first to use it starting from '81.

Tomcat Alley-TARPS Tomcats
Right. Collectors can be outraged and demand AIM-54s after they were retired. Yet, point out that a TARPS pod is included when it wasn't in service until later.

Easy solution. Don't install the TARPS Pod.

BTW, I noticed on this release that the vertical tails have been corrected and are no longer quite so vertical.

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I think this is a brilliant looking model. It may be outside my collection criteria, but I am certainly tempted...
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okay so where are the 6x phoenix missiles HM promised everyone? Looks good but... I'm not a fan of the silver base at the nose probe, I think it throws off the lines of the radome. I'm not sure I like how HM reshaped the nose compared to CWs. I also think not having the panel wash that CWs JRs have really takes a little bit of the "pop" away. This also has two walkways, when, at least in all the pictures I have seen, it should have one.

Also, there is a ECM bump on the left nose gear door, that is a late model F-14 feature. No chance that was on this JR. Once again, a lack of research/attention to detail...

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I'm guessing you don't own any of their helldivers, f-111s, f-5s, f-105s, f-86s, MiG-15s, F-100s, F-2s, Mirage 2000s, Skyraiders, or A-26s, especially the earlier ones from each.
Not going into much detail but actually in some points you are correct, FS:
- for example I do not have a single F-100, just because of completely wrong, unreal and too much opened mouth. No "best ever HM model" for me.
- my unbalanced, rear heavy Mig-15s with their steady tendency to wheelie in my cabinet I personally also wouldnīt nominate to be the best HM model of all times (although details are Ok, I cannot ignore the XXL gaps in frontal /rear area).
- F-2 with its beautiful crispy panel lines and thick canopy I have once qiute successfully used as a magnifying glass when I wanted to have a close look on details of other models. Personally - even being nice model, I still would put it behind the JR F-14.
Anyway I still love all my suspiciously "not owned" ) models.

"Best HM model" would be extremely hot theme with zilion of entries and zilion of different opinions - all of them highly personal. So most correct answer could give probably only a poll. And yes, Skyraiders are also nice.
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-next critisicm:

A TARPS pod on a F-14? ? Jolly Rogers were the first to use it starting from '81.

Tomcat Alley-TARPS Tomcats
err didn't CW supply tarps pods on their F-14s?? reply by dan earlier in thread!



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doesn't matter dan... i promise i won't attach it

Actually, I just noticed that Century Wings provided the TARPS Pod on their JR releases and nobody seems to have complained.

So I'll leave things alone.



so your next criticism will be.............................????.

out of 12 individual replies since DAN posted pictures, 10 have been highly positive!!! THE MAJORITY HAS SPOKEN!!

as said, CW F-14s ARE NOT WITHOUT FAULT. but mustn't criticise THEM must we????
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These final product photos have convinced me and I have just pre-ordered the HM Jolly Roger. Looks a very tight product.
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Beautiful. Finally I might have a chance of picking up a JR Tomcat in their old school high viz livery as I came to the hobby late and they were all off the market before I could grab one.

Last time they were still selling in stores in Austalia, I believe they were going for ~$100. This one is now listed for $215. Argh!!
Me too. The CW -70s were out of my reach when I started to buy.
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A TARPS pod on a F-14? ? Jolly Rogers were the first to use it starting from '81.

Tomcat Alley-TARPS Tomcats
You can just opt out the TARP in your display if you like.
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I’m not an F-14 expert by any means but shouldn’t the silver leading edge of the tail be angled at the base like in this photo?
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