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Old 03-22-2016, 08:48 AM   #101
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I asked William if HM can supply 4 more AIM-7 sparrow for underbelly. Answer is no due to higher cost to do so. I'm sure CW costs more becos they supply more weapons than HM.

But it costs 1 yuan to make them. Did you tell him that?
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But it costs 1 yuan to make them. Did you tell him that?
Really? Hope HM is reading the post?
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But it costs 1 yuan to make them. Did you tell him that?
The thing is, they had to make a new mould for the Sparrows for the Tomcat (and every other armament piece for that matter) since they are different from the ones on all their other models. I agree that the cost is probably not insanely high, but it has been said many times by William that they are trying to keep the prices as low as they can. The JR bird will sell out, that I am sure of, so it wouldnt be that much of an issue if it went on for 5 dollars more, but then everyone would expect it on the next releases, that might not be as popular and you see where this leads, right?

When I asked for the two additional Phoenix missiles, it was for the sake of TARPS not being in service at the time this model is supposed to depict. It would somehow offset the price (-1 TARPS + 2 Phoenix). But, if you really want to load your HM Tomcat with more Sparrows, you can use the ones supplied with the CW models if you have any left.
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I asked William if HM can supply 4 more AIM-7 sparrow for underbelly. Answer is no due to higher cost to do so. I'm sure CW costs more becos they supply more weapons than HM.
HM doesn't use any stencils on their weapons, either. Just another way HM cuts cost to get you a Tomcat $15 cheaper.
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HM doesn't use any stencils on their weapons, either. Just another way HM cuts cost to get you a Tomcat $15 cheaper.
and unfortunately, after speaking with two major distributors, that's the way it's going to remain for a whille. 50% less model quality to save 10% on price.



i think the solution is the one that some here have been presciently clamoring for: a hobbymaster "pro" range. I'd gladly pay $15- $50 more for a tomcat, s3, hawkeye, vigi etc finished the way it should be though unfortunately many of the cost-cutting measures are in the moulds themselves and cannot really be changed for a pro line.

a pro line would have:
- landing gear with oleos and such painted, gear door sides, and perhaps a light wash.
- plenty of stencils and tampo
- panel wash and perhaps a bit of staining / weathering. f-14 'christine' without these is not christine.
- detailed weapons
- detailed pilots adjusted to sit properly.

I'd be willing to put up $100,000 of my own money right now to see a line like that through and would eat my hat if it didn't sell out if they didn't do, say, 200 "pro" versions of christine at +$50 The demand is there.

(it is not clear if individual releases should be "pro" releases or whether existing releases should get "pro upgrades." - there are arguments to be made each way).
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I would definitely pay for a "pro" range over lesser detailed standard models.

Collecting mainly Cold War and modern jets, I much prefer CW and AC to HM where possible, and happily buy their releases at their price-point.

At this stage in my collecting career I'd rather buy fewer model I like more than keep stacking boxes I don't have room to display all of simultaneously anyway.
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I can see the threads now...you bought the regular model and not the pro?? Obviously not an elite collector...

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Depending on the model, heck yeah I would purchase a "pro" or "elite" line. For the extra 10 or 15 dollars, it would not impact my over all purchases and I wo0uld feel better about getting a model that has that extra detailing and accuracy. Just as I have spent the extra to get the signature pieces when ever they have become available.
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Pretty sure with a "pro" model, it will get critiqued just as much as the bubble gum machine models and there will be debates on whether or not it is worth the additional cost. I say in the end, if you like a particular diecast model just buy it if you want it and can swing/justify the expenditure. If it doesn't quite meet a particular standard you would like for the asking price, you just may have to let it slide by the wayside. I mean I haven't been collecting that long, but I have seen manufacturers and retailers price steadily creep up (right along with aftermarket sellers asking price). These folks are in this business to make money, so if people are steadily buying the models not much you can really do besides vote with your wallet to get their attention. But I say until that time comes, seems as if buyers may have to be a bit more selective with their purchases if these models are costly for them.
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As a personal opinion I don't think a "pro" line would gain much profit for HM. What HM needs is more collectors buying more of their "regular" models. It's not unreasonable to assume sales of diecasts have fallen significantly because of price increases.

Given the current pricing structure it's likely the additional premium of the pro model would be far higher than the additional quality collectors will receive. I know the last AC model is more or less a sell out however I don't think they are making a significant amount of profit.

CW's pricing in the market seems to be "holding" but considering they haven't done a new mold in years, one can only assume they're not raking in enough for such an undertaking and probably never will. Still I do plan to add another CW F-14 and perhaps be thankful they haven't gone under.
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heh, thought I called you a non elite collector?

I just have a feeling that it would just cause yet another void between collectors. People are already self conscious about posting models from fear of ridicule as is. When's the last time someone posted a witty legacy hornet?
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heh, thought I called you a non elite collector?

I just have a feeling that it would just cause yet another void between collectors. People are already self conscious about posting models from fear of ridicule as is. When's the last time someone posted a witty legacy hornet?
Probably by me and quite certain the word "elite" did not feature anywhere in my posting
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Probably by me and quite certain the word "elite" did not feature anywhere in my posting
There are a couple of Witty legacy hornet schemes where I'm willing to overlook the inaccurate nose.

There's a nice Golden Dragon one (the model without the american flag on the speedbreak) that I'm keeping an eye on.
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i hope, Hm remains as it is....producing beautiful models thas still afforable to most collectors..... our hobby of collecting models isnt payable for some that hardly makes ends meet......to pay rent or bills.......
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Not sure where the artwork came from that is shown with this thread from the Flying Mules site. Off the top of my head glancing at this. Hopefully this is not the artwork Hobby Master is using as a reference. The first antennae behind the canopy should be black not grey and the VF-84 letters on the ventral strake should be outlined. They are not solid! Century Wings did this wrong.Also the blue around the white star that's over the Vagabond stripe should be a really dark blue. Darker than depicted in this profile drawing.
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nah, i just misread what eagle_flyer wrote while reading from a tablet with a baby on my lap .

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When's the last time someone posted a witty legacy hornet?
i think i posted about what i consider to be a wonderful, underappreciated model - the "USS Randolph throwback" witty legacy hornet some time ago (a year ago?). That one is still available both in the UK and the USA and there and I think it's just lovely. The dark color covers up a lot of the "issues" well, too, and the paint job is superb (given the low price).
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Not sure where the artwork came from that is shown with this thread from the Flying Mules site. Off the top of my head glancing at this. Hopefully this is not the artwork Hobby Master is using as a reference. The first antennae behind the canopy should be black not grey and the VF-84 letters on the ventral strake should be outlined. They are not solid! Century Wings did this wrong.Also the blue around the white star that's over the Vagabond stripe should be a really dark blue. Darker than depicted in this profile drawing.
While I agree with the antennae color and possibly the darker blue, I havent been able to find evidence to the numbers being only outlines and not solid (at least not on 1977 bird). If you have photos that would support your claim, feel free to send those to [email protected]
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Only other thing to say is to be careful the livery being looked at is indeed for the year in question - 1977. I've already come across a potential for the '78 canopy rail name to be different from '77. CDR JUD SPRINGER vs CDR J SPRINGER.
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Knock it off all you snobs complaining that this is 'boring' and who already have a JR bird in your collection (or 5). Some of us poor collectors came in late to the game and only ever saw them for sale on the 2nd hand market for $300+.
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There's no denying it is boring however the JR livery is a good seller. CW over the years released these '78 JR Tomcats

CENTURY WINGS Aircraft Diecast Model | 1/72 Scale F-14 | F-14A TOMCAT VF-84 JOLLY ROGERS AJ200 1978
CENTURY WINGS Aircraft Diecast Model | 1/72 Scale F-14 | F-14A TOMCAT VF-84 JOLLY ROGERS AJ202 1978
CENTURY WINGS Aircraft Diecast Model | 1/72 Scale F-14 | F-14A TOMCAT VF-84 JOLLY ROGERS AJ203 1978
CENTURY WINGS Aircraft Diecast Model | 1/72 Scale F-14 | F-14A TOMCAT VF-84 JOLLY ROGERS AJ210 1978
CENTURY WINGS Aircraft Diecast Model | 1/72 Scale F-14 | F-14A TOMCAT U.S.NAVY VF-84 JOLLY ROGERS AJ201 1978

That's a combined output of 5000 units which if you think about it - is a lot and yet they go for high prices on ebay. It's incredible to think if CW released another '78 JR it would also sell out fast.
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Knock it off all you snobs complaining that this is 'boring' and who already have a JR bird in your collection (or 5). Some of us poor collectors came in late to the game and only ever saw them for sale on the 2nd hand market for $300+.
well old foggies will always resist young turks from joining the club... ever
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Knock it off all you snobs complaining that this is 'boring' and who already have a JR bird in your collection (or 5). Some of us poor collectors came in late to the game and only ever saw them for sale on the 2nd hand market for $300+.

Nothing boring about the Jolly Rogers and this release means many more collectors can feel the love

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Nothing boring about the Jolly Rogers and this release means many more collectors can feel the love

Totally agree with both statements and happy to make my "first" Tomcat a HM JR!
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Btw TMM, that's a fine looking display case you have there.

Of course your collection of Tomcats looks mighty fine as well.

Anything interesting on the lower shelves? Expect so...
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Btw TMM, that's a fine looking display case you have there.

Of course your collection of Tomcats looks mighty fine as well.

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by the looks of it, more of his cw stash
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According to the HawkOne site, armament for this release will be 4x AIM-54s, 2x AIM-7s, 2x AIM-9s, fuel tanks and a TARPS pod (which I'm not sure is era-appropriate?).

Bummer, I really wanted 6 Buffalos.
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It would be nice if they could make a interchangeable pylons on the glove stations so owners could choose their payload or leave empty with either sparrow phoenix or Lantirn attachments. Then we could decide to display a 6 Buffalo arrangement properly.
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According to the HawkOne site, armament for this release will be 4x AIM-54s, 2x AIM-7s, 2x AIM-9s, fuel tanks and a TARPS pod (which I'm not sure is era-appropriate?).

Bummer, I really wanted 6 Buffalos.
6 AIM-54 "Buffalos" for this release would have been sweet.
Interesting these beasts cost the tax payer $1.2 mill each.
But they sure look good on the Tomcat!
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What a payload!
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Here's a great shot of a Tomcat fully loaded with 6 AIM-54 Phoenix (Buffalo) missiles!
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This settles it. I'm buying 2 for more Phoenix missiles and hoping the multipurpose pylons are included and fit the Phoenix.
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This settles it. I'm buying 2 for more Phoenix missiles and hoping the multipurpose pylons are included and fit the Phoenix.
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I find it funny how ppl rip on the HM tomcat when it is still by far, reallyyyyyyy far, better then anything Dragon or Gemini or even FoV ever did for one reason or another.

I think the butt hurt over HM's tomcat on the market really needs to calm down. If anything go and take a shot at TSM recycled Witty mould if you feel compelled to tell the internet how much you love the CW mould and everything else sucks. Your investments are safe because there will always be fools that easily part with their money

Wasn't it only like a year ago ppl sooking how they wanted HM to do this and that, so be glad they did "this and that"
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I totally agree. We all wanted HM to make a Tomcat and they put forth a pretty solid effort with their first offering. Now if we could only get the two companies to NOT make the same plane we'd be in business.

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I think the butt hurt over HM's tomcat on the market really needs to calm down. If anything go and take a shot at TSM recycled Witty mould if you feel compelled to tell the internet how much you love the CW mould and everything else sucks. Your investments are safe because there will always be fools that easily part with their money

Wasn't it only like a year ago ppl sooking how they wanted HM to do this and that, so be glad they did "this and that"
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This settles it. I'm buying 2 for more Phoenix missiles and hoping the multipurpose pylons are included and fit the Phoenix.
No need to buy 2 of the same model. You'll amass a few spares as you buy more Tomcats and HM are bound to release more. I have a bit annoyingly discovered I have enough to put together either 6 ghost grey or 6 blue grey of the CW ones. Here's the pic again before I realised I had 6 of the same colour.

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HM glues the wing pylons on, and then glues the ordnance to them.

Century (same mould remember) glues the pylons, but you place the items onto the pylons.
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HM glues the wing pylons on, and then glues the ordnance to them.

Century (same mould remember) glues the pylons, but you place the items onto the pylons.
Some CW models you had to attach the pylons just like HM. Whats the point?

Even most glued HM missiles can easily be removed from the mount.
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No need to buy 2 of the same model. You'll amass a few spares as you buy more Tomcats and HM are bound to release more. I have a bit annoyingly discovered I have enough to put together either 6 ghost grey or 6 blue grey of the CW ones. Here's the pic again before I realised I had 6 of the same colour.


Incorrect pylon adapter for your white phoenix though
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Incorrect pylon adapter for your white phoenix though
nah... that phoenix has just been released. the propulsion will kick it once it's cleared the fuselage
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Old 03-29-2016, 05:06 PM   #142
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So who else watched that FOV JR sell for almost $300 on ebay??? crazy....
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Old 03-29-2016, 05:08 PM   #143
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Crazy pills for sure.
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Old 03-29-2016, 05:10 PM   #144
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Crazy pills for sure.
If anyone wants to give me 200 or so for mine I'll gladly sell it
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Old 04-02-2016, 11:31 AM   #145
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What makes this particular CW Tomcat so expensive?
Century Wings 1 72 F 14B Tomcat U s Navy VF 103 Jolly Rogers AA103 2004 714151 | eBay

Anyways, lots of Jolly Roger Tomcats made over the years, and all go for more than one pays initially, and then some.

Don't think I can lose and I want a high vis early Jolley Roger F-14.
Think this is my best bet for now so I pre-ordered the HM. A mistake?
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Don't think I can lose and I want a high vis early Jolley Roger F-14.
Think this is my best bet for now so I pre-ordered the HM. A mistake?
Of course it's not a mistake, I also have that one on pre-order because I just can't afford all these CW Jolly Roger Tomcats that sell for so much on eBay nowadays!!
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Supply and demand I presume. I have that model after it showed up in a retailer's bargain bin. How times change

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Of course it's not a mistake, I also have that one on pre-order because I just can't afford all these CW Jolly Roger Tomcats that sell for so much on eBay nowadays!!
Don't forget the upcoming CW 10th anniversary '78 JR Tomcat. Should retail for considerably less than the "crazy" ebay price... unless you don't like the flaps down configuration.
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What makes this particular CW Tomcat so expensive?
Century Wings 1 72 F 14B Tomcat U s Navy VF 103 Jolly Rogers AA103 2004 714151 | eBay

Anyways, lots of Jolly Roger Tomcats made over the years, and all go for more than one pays initially, and then some.

Don't think I can lose and I want a high vis early Jolley Roger F-14.
Think this is my best bet for now so I pre-ordered the HM. A mistake?
I have a hogan and a fov that accompanies the CW '94...the HM will be better than both of those and the witty and dragon as well. Not a mistake at all. HM and CW doing them is the best thing that could have happened, good times for us as collectors. Both of them succeeding means more cats and more squadrons will be covered. CW or HM doesnt matter that much. Mix and match them as much as we want
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Old 04-03-2016, 01:34 AM   #149
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I just looked thru a few cw releases and most just have 4 Phoenix missiles too so I'm not too hung up on getting 4 or 6. 4 is more accurate with the armed warhead.

Anyways, I've preordered mine. It's just a matter of whether I'll buy another. And that depends on the initial reviews and how my units comes out
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HawkOne's site now states HA5203 Grumman F-14A BuNo 160393/AJ 200, VF-84 "Jolly Rogers" USN, 1977
COMES WITH 6 x AIM-54 missile, 2 x AIM-9 missile, 2 x drop tank, 1x TARPS
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