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Old 02-10-2016, 10:18 PM   #1
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Default CW F-14 Fuselage gaps

Since everyone is all up in arms about the HM VF-211 release. Here are pics of my CW F-14s and their gaps. Far from being Gold Standard stuff no?

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Unbelievable, There's no way you can keep any of those Shawn. Send them to me and I'll dispose of them for you.
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Yes the gap is there and on my pics as well as the weapon pallet gap.

HM have commented they intend to improve the gap join so it isn't too noticeable. Hopefully either on the next release or the one after.

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I know HM have said they will improve the mold. I posted that info. What I am showing to all the CW fan boys is their favorite is far from perfect.
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Wow, No2 Red Tomcatters looks horrible, looks "broken"
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With all the bad luck you've had with CW, and god knows you've had many, kudos with sticking to them.
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With all the bad luck you've had with CW, and god knows you've had many, kudos with sticking to them.
Yea its as if the crap models are earmarked just for me.
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That's why I only paid $45 for my FoV F14 JR which uses the same mould as CW's. I'm not intent to buy any more F14 until they improve the gap.
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I'm in the lucky position that I can check the model before I buy it. That's why most of my F-14 have a rather smaller gap. But it depends on the livery how prominent the gap looks.
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wait.....so many say that CW is a very high end manufacturer and praising it to heaven............still hate the blunder of cw with the sr-71 with its joint in the upper fuselage and very unsightly wrong intake cones......
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I wonder how much sleep you lose at night because people criticize HM...

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Fancy that, I own 50+ CW's and the QC is nearly 100% on them! Funny how that happens... hell, that last picture looks like that gap was intentionally widened by the way the jagged edges of the paint on either side of the gap matches up.
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Yes we all know how your CW collection is beyond perfect. And it was only a matter of time before you reminded us all.
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its funny to see how some fanatic CW collectors play blind on some CWs shortcomings......lol
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wow....100% perfect diecast models ( from China).....lol.....
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Would love to see 50+ pictures proving it!
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I won't do all 50+ because 1. I don't have the amount of time you apparently do and 2. I don't care that much, either. BUT I will give you examples from early CW Tomcats up until recent ones. Some gaps are worse than others but overall, I think these gaps are more than acceptable. To be fair, I don't think HM's gap was any worse.





























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HM's gap


this one really isnt that bad, glad that they fixed it regardless to basically no gap, but the one I commented on negatively you could slide a quarter in the gap without much resistance. All my CW are paper thin.
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Some gaps are worse than others but overall, I think these gaps are more than acceptable. To be fair, I don't think HM's gap was any worse.


I believe that was Shawn's point.

The gap on my HM F-14 is comparable to my Century Wings F-14s.

With the modification to HM's tooling for the second and future releases - the result should set the new standard (at 10% to 15% less money).

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As far as I understood the gap is the result of bad assembly at the factory.
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I don't think that was Shawn's point at all. Shawn's point was: boo hoo everyone is picking on HM again so let me point fingers at CW! I don't go out of my way to point out all of the flaws on my HM models when someone criticizes CW.

And no, one gap is not going to set the standard. I've already noticed differences in which one gap does not make up for HM's Tomcat's deficiencies.

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As far as I understood the gap is the result of bad assembly at the factory.
I asked William back in December and here was his response.

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Hi Dan,

It is indeed a tooling problem instead of QC. The tooling will be further adjusted for the F-14D.

Thank you again.
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I'm happy that HM is working on the issue. I hope that CW would consider this too, also the fit palettes could be improved. I will just decide by what livery they do what manufacture I'll get. Might have to reduce my non F-14 purchases.
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It's unlikely CW will make any improvements as the gaps have been on their F-14 for quite a long time. How bad it is varies from model to model as can be seen in the photos.

Overall, the model itself isn't "horrible" and I'll happily consider purchasing another CW Tomcat if the scheme is appealing enough.
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I think with HM as competition now CW might be willing to do something. Before they couldn't care less since their mold was still the best even with the gaps. Now with serious competition they need to keep up in order to keep competing. The only problem I have with HM is their stand. CW just looks better. I would also like the explosive stripe in the canopy not to be painted and just have the risen line on their without extra coloring. I think that looks more realistic.
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"I think with HM as competition now CW might be willing to do something. Before they couldn't care less since their mold was still the best even with the gaps. Now with serious competition they need to keep up in order to keep competing. The only problem I have with HM is their stand. CW just looks better. I would also like the explosive stripe in the canopy not to be painted and just have the risen line on their without extra coloring. I think that looks more realistic. "

Yes, HM now has to differentiate itself from CW and is looking at CW's worse issues and correcting the HM piece so they can say "hey, we don't have those ugly CW gaps". HM needs to work on the paint issue as well the nose issue though and keep quality control up on a complex model. The question then becomes, Will HM be vigilant enough to watch closely over it's QC? Something it has had issues with, as well every other manufacturer. That's is what competition does to improve a product in a market niche.
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In the end, we as the collectors are the winners in this.
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It's unlikely CW will make any improvements as the gaps have been on their F-14 for quite a long time. How bad it is varies from model to model as can be seen in the photos.

Overall, the model itself isn't "horrible" and I'll happily consider purchasing another CW Tomcat if the scheme is appealing enough.
IMHO, going forward, the only real difference we'll be discussing when choosing between the HM model or CW model will indeed be the livery. The recent Black Lions by CW was not a good choice IMO.

HM or CW, give us the rainbow tail Tomcatter!



Or VF-33 Starfighters

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IMHO, going forward, the only real difference we'll be discussing when choosing between the HM model or CW model will indeed be the livery. The recent Black Lions by CW was not a good choice IMO.

HM or CW, give us the rainbow tail Tomcatter!



Or VF-33 Starfighters

I actually liked the Black Lions release. Would have preferred modex 200 from VF-213 though.
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I liked the Black Lions as well, would have liked the darker blue livery, but very happy with what CW produced. A huge Tomcatters fan here, so any of those liveries is a personal favorite.
CW's largest mistake has been sitting on the mold not producing them one after another while they had a monopoly on the market. Bad use of a good resource, in business, something you should try to maximize.
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The rainbow Tomcatter scheme I would definitely go for. I'm surprised CW hadn't announced it as their next release as FineMolds a Japanese plastic kit manufacturer had the scheme for their new F-14 tooling. The kit itself has received quite a number of positive comments.


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No gaps on those CW's above but plenty of poorly painted front gears which seems to be a trademark of CW
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No gaps on those CW's above but plenty of poorly painted front gears which seems to be a trademark of CW
You might be noticing some dust or specs of something on the tires, as well. Over all, I think the nose wheels/tires on the ones I showed are pretty good. The VF-1 could use some correcting but none are as bad as the HM wheels in the last one.
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The gap on CW IRIAF F-14 is literally zero as in nonexistent. So yes I think it is an assembly problem. This model was during a time many collectors were writing retailers and CW to correct the gap.

Say ACpilot why don't you write HM about their F-15 nose cone since you are so influential because I read somewhere that the cone is wrong, and I stared at it and guess what it doesn't look right
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Say ACpilot why don't you write HM about their F-15 nose cone since you are so influential because I read somewhere that the cone is wrong, and I stared at it and guess what it doesn't look right
My influence is very limited.

Besides, the HM F-15 nose cone looks fine to me.

If there is a problem one would have to provide photos of both the model and the actual aircraft (taken at the exact same angle) along with a detailed description as to what exactly needs to be modified to effect a correction. "Does not look quite right to me" statements are useless in trying to have a manufacturer make any changes.

By all means, if you are willing to research the matter - publish your findings here and I'll be glad to pass along the results.

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I liked the Black Lions as well, would have liked the darker blue livery, but very happy with what CW produced. A huge Tomcatters fan here, so any of those liveries is a personal favorite.
CW's largest mistake has been sitting on the mold not producing them one after another while they had a monopoly on the market. Bad use of a good resource, in business, something you should try to maximize.
Honestly I think not cranking them out one after the other has created an incredible demand for them. I also think that most CW collectors are going to pre order and buy every one that's announced regardless of its livery.
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While the flashy F-14's are cool looking (I would like a couple of them myself) some are just down right gaudy looking.

Didn't the US Navy paint the Tomcat low vis for a reason?

The next HM release has quite a bit of combat history.
Not so much a hangar queen as one would think.
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While the flashy F-14's are cool looking (I would like a couple of them myself) some are just down right gaudy looking.

Didn't the US Navy paint the Tomcat low vis for a reason?

The next HM release has quite a bit of combat history.
Not so much a hangar queen as one would think.
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its not Christine, but we have a low vis tomcatters but 25 minutes from me that I've visited several times now, BuNo 159619. Great looking jet.
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I don't think that was Shawn's point at all. Shawn's point was: boo hoo everyone is picking on HM again so let me point fingers at CW! I don't go out of my way to point out all of the flaws on my HM models when someone criticizes CW.

And no, one gap is not going to set the standard. I've already noticed differences in which one gap does not make up for HM's Tomcat's deficiencies.
You are the thinnest skinned male I have ever encountered across on the Internet.
All I did is point out the flaws some of us get with CW models. And as by some strange siren's call, here you are calling foul and saying I deliberately bent a model just to ***** about CW.
You're real piece of work guy. Try some midol and get some rest.
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its not Christine, but we have a low vis tomcatters but 25 minutes from me that I've visited several times now, BuNo 159619. Great looking jet.
great looking jet, for sure! after all... no seam gaps at its fuselage or wing sleeves!!! heck... they even got the windshield horseshoe, canopy shape and nose cone right!!!
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great looking jet, for sure! after all... no seam gaps at its fuselage or wing sleeves!!! heck... they even got the windshield horseshoe, canopy shape and nose cone right!!!
and the vertical stabalizers are angled correctly as well! haha
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and the vertical stabalizers are angled correctly as well! haha

difficult to ascertain from this angle... but by golly, i think you're right on that count also! perhaps you have a pic of the aircraft shot from the front?

oh, an look at the amount of details on the landing gears. this must be the definitive release and if there's one tomcat you really must have in your collection, i'm sure this is it!

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It looks pretty plain I wish they would've provided some ordinance. Oh well but the weathering looks superb.
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It looks pretty plain I wish they would've provided some ordinance. Oh well but the weathering looks superb.
well, i'm sure they'll come out with some laws soon enough

but seriously, this is as good as it gets and they'll probably come out with an optional weapons pack for all you phoenix fanatics out there. i'm ok with the lack of ordnance... but how could they spoil an otherwise perfect mould by not including the ejection seats really gets me scratching my head
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You are the thinnest skinned male I have ever encountered across on the Internet.
All I did is point out the flaws some of us get with CW models. And as by some strange siren's call, here you are calling foul and saying I deliberately bent a model just to ***** about CW.
You're real piece of work guy. Try some midol and get some rest.
lol, you're the one who gets all moody when I call you out on your BS when no one else will. You went out of your way to point out the flaws in your CW models for no other reason than people were complaining about HM. I can only imagine what your emails to William are like...
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It looks pretty plain I wish they would've provided some ordinance. Oh well but the weathering looks superb.
Very good weathering, but that grey looks a little too blue to me haha
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Very good weathering, but that grey looks a little too blue to me haha
it's the lighting, steve. you know how the blue sky affects the colours substantially. any chance of having shots of it indoors under controlled lighting conditions?
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I would not buy the Tomcat above. It does not have any missiles or bombs.
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it's the lighting, steve. you know how the blue sky affects the colours substantially. any chance of having shots of it indoors under controlled lighting conditions?
lmao! remember no flash!
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