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Old 11-29-2015, 01:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Does anyone own this model? And if so, are there any major complaints about this F-16? Looks like there's quite a rivet count there...not as bad as AF1 I hope?

And in your opinion would it be worth the $60 US that I'd be shelling out for this Viper? I own a few of the HM ones, but I don't have a Witty or Gemini to make an informed decision on this bad boy.
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Gemini used the Witty molds to make this model. Many people are happy with the Witty pieces but the model is just not as sharp as the Dragon Wings or Hobby Master models are.
Rumor mill was that Gemini had a falling out with Witty and reported to General Dynamics that Witty was not paying the licensing fees to replicate the model, which caused Witty to go out of business.
That has made this model a bit rarer now as no more will ever be produced.
In my opinion, you will get a much better bang for the buck going with the Hobby Master model F-16s.
But, if you like this, its not a bad model and frankly, ( I consider them more toy like personally), they will only get harder to get down the road. Witty models did not hold their value well when they tanked, they sold cheaply on the secondary market, at 20 to 35 dollars. Gemini had a little better detailing but their quality control was very hit and miss. I don't expect these will be an investment piece, get it because you like it if you do. Gemini's have been "actually" selling on eBay for between 35 dollars up to 65 dollars.
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I doubt very seriously that hobby master will make this particular F-16. I also doubt you'll ever find it less than $60 short of one of these guys feeling generous. My advice, buy it while you still can....and while the price isnt jacked up. There are previously displayed Witty's people are trying to sell for over $80...before shipping...which is insane
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Gemini used the Witty molds to make this model. Many people are happy with the Witty pieces but the model is just not as sharp as the Dragon Wings or Hobby Master models are.
Rumor mill was that Gemini had a falling out with Witty and reported to General Dynamics that Witty was not paying the licensing fees to replicate the model, which caused Witty to go out of business.
That has made this model a bit rarer now as no more will ever be produced.
In my opinion, you will get a much better bang for the buck going with the Hobby Master model F-16s.
But, if you like this, its not a bad model and frankly, ( I consider them more toy like personally), they will only get harder to get down the road. Witty models did not hold their value well when they tanked, they sold cheaply on the secondary market, at 20 to 35 dollars. Gemini had a little better detailing but their quality control was very hit and miss. I don't expect these will be an investment piece, get it because you like it if you do. Gemini's have been "actually" selling on eBay for between 35 dollars up to 65 dollars.

I think Trip summed it pretty well. The only thing I would add is that Witty's birds may have tanked in the short term after the company went belly up, but you'd be amazed at what many Witty models are fetching these days, and I agree wholeheartedly with the concept of "get it because you like it".
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Yeah, I hate losing money on any hobby item I buy, 90% of what I purchase with the secondary market in mind. The other is because i really like it.
We are lucky at this time, the hobby acts as almost an investment with many of these pieces.
But for any hobby, I always recommend you purchase an item first and foremost because you like it, don't think about it only because of the potential value. The secondary market can turn on a dime some times. Getting something that you like makes it always worth the purchase.
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Old 11-29-2015, 05:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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2 left here for $65 before shipping.

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Old 11-30-2015, 10:08 AM   #7 (permalink)
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A french guy sold this plane few weeks ago... check "For sale section"... sorry i don't remember is nickname !!
He sold too someF-14 from century wings
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I had this model, but sold it. The quality is good, but Jeff pretty well summed it up. I'd personally wait for a HM version, if they ever make it.

Some Witty Vipers have increased in value. I sold my black and white Arctic Aggressors last year on eBay. The bidding started at US$0.99 and ended at $130.
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Does anyone own this model? And if so, are there any major complaints about this F-16? Looks like there's quite a rivet count there...not as bad as AF1 I hope?

And in your opinion would it be worth the $60 US that I'd be shelling out for this Viper? I own a few of the HM ones, but I don't have a Witty or Gemini to make an informed decision on this bad boy.
The complaints will likely be the following -

1. the shape of the nose is slightly off

2. the panel lines are too shallow and not pronounced enough (this is subjective though - some like it this way, others don't)

3. the landing gears may be difficult to install (might require glue)

$60 is a fair price. Definitely a better buy than AF1 IMO
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I have this model and I like it.

Witty F-16s have pluses and minuses.

Plus - They feel heftier than HM F-16s, there's more metal to them and they seem less flimsy or delicate (which could explain Jeff's toy observation). The Elevons and Rudder are on hinges and are positionable. The landing gear legs are metal, unlike the HM gear inserts, but the main gear is quite a bit more complex than HMs because you also have to attach the gear strut braces which can be awkward, I always have use needle nose pliers. Tweezers would work too I imagine (it's not a torque/force thing) it's just what I usually have laying around. Other pluses include that there's still a slot for the belly tank regardless if it's displayed gear up or down, and I really like how the ordnance and wing stores insert into the wing, they fit nicely with good positive finish and usually stay straight, and are a lot less flimsy than HM ordnance.

Cons - IMO the nose contours of the mould are wrong as the nose is too thick (HM nailed the proportions of the Viper IMO). Since Witty models display on the stand via the exhaust, the exhaust petals are fully open for 'full blow' stage 6 afterburner which looks weird displayed on the ground. The canopy, while being much easier to work with to insert the pilot figurine than the HM hinge design, is also fairly delicate and susceptible to being bent, warped, or not sitting fully flush when closed (on this particular model since the canopy rails are painted black any issues should be far less noticeable, especially any gap). The poseable elevons and rudder introduce some delicacy, sometimes they lose their tension or break off. And finally the landing gear pieces, while more stout, can sometimes be a real b1tch to work with and require lots of patience and some force. The gear doors for gear-up display may require a bit of filing to sit in place correctly.

Gemini packaging is really nice, there's this awesome foam-lined box that's pre-cut for everything, way better than the injection-mold plastic cradles used in Witty and HM boxes. It's the same style as their 1/200 airliner models. They also come with a Gemini Aces stand, which is metal, and the attachments that fit the model to the stand are the same as the Witty stands (save a shorter screw), so if you acquire a different Witty stand (like, say, an A-7 or F-18 stand) it'll work for your F-16 no problem...Witty stands display the model a little higher and at a more dramatic angle than the Gemini ones do.

Only thing to be leery with Gemini packaging is they're not really sealed - they close with a simple metal button clasp, so if it has sat on the shelves in a hobby shop with public access, there's the chance items might be broken or missing, so do a thorough inspection ASAP. If it's sat in a warehouse from some dot com outfit you'll probably be fine.

The Makos one is an attractive model, I bought it and I like it.
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...Since Witty models display on the stand via the exhaust, the exhaust petals are fully open for 'full blow' stage 6 afterburner which looks weird displayed on the ground....
I'd be curious to know why..?? I can show you dozens if not hundreds of photos of F-16's on the ground with the petals wide open, and I'm not talking about aircraft on a takeoff roll with afterburners blazing, I'm talking AC taxiing around an airfield, or simply parked with no one around. I guess to some extent it's a matter of personal preference, but the wide open petals don't bother me a bit, they work equally as well on the ground or on a stand posed "in flight" IMO.
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I'd be curious to know why..?? I can show you dozens if not hundreds of photos of F-16's on the ground with the petals wide open, and I'm not talking about aircraft on a takeoff roll with afterburners blazing, I'm talking AC taxiing around an airfield, or simply parked with no one around. I guess to some extent it's a matter of personal preference, but the wide open petals don't bother me a bit, they work equally as well on the ground or on a stand posed "in flight" IMO.
To me, this looks like it's more open than that pic you posted. I don't think it's an at-idle, engine shut down or just simply taxiing look, to me that says screaming with flames shooting out the back.



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I have the "Flying Makos" and I love it. Beautiful aircraft, very cool scheme. $60 isn't a bad price either, jump on it because a year from now, it'll be $120
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To me, this looks like it's more open than that pic you posted. I don't think it's an at-idle, engine shut down or just simply taxiing look, to me that says screaming with flames shooting out the back.
I guess the point I was trying to make is that the idea that they're never in the open position except when the burners are lit would be a misconception, and it really doesn't look "weird" when on the ground, at least not to me. Anyway, to each his own, if it looks weird to you that's cool..
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Not a fan of the wide open can either myself.
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i got 2 dutch F-16s from gemini and glad to have them in my collections....the orange solo demo of the dutch air force and dirty diana.....simply perfect to me..

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I did a little bit more research and apparently the cockpit doesn't close well...or refuses to close. Anybody here (who owns this model) experience the cockpit not closing at all?
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I did a little bit more research and apparently the cockpit doesn't close well...or refuses to close. Anybody here (who owns this model) experience the cockpit not closing at all?
I never experienced this problem with my Makos or any Gemini F-16.
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I did a little bit more research and apparently the cockpit doesn't close well...or refuses to close. Anybody here (who owns this model) experience the cockpit not closing at all?
Occasionally the pilot (or pilots if it's a 2 seater) will sit a tad high in their seats, I've seen that problem every so often, and the solution that worked for me is to take a sharp hobby knife and, ahem... shave the pilots arse down a bit... Seriously... if it's a case of the pilots head bumping the canopy this almost always fixes it. OTOH, if it's just an ill fitting canopy there's not much that can be done about that in my experience.
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