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If you could pick a new F-16 for Hobby Master to make, what would it be...???

My vote goes to a UAE Block 60/61 F-16E/F Desert Falcon. The UAE's jets are said to be the most advanced F-16 in service anywhere, not even the USAF has an equivalent in active front line service that I'm aware of. A single or two seater, either one would suit me just fine.

Some background info on the Block 60/61 Desert Falcon.... Falcon flourishes in the desert [IDX15D1] | IHS Jane's 360

A nice Vid of the Desert Falcon's at Red Flag, Nellis AFB Nevada... https://youtu.be/bqN3ncyhS0c?t=3
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Toledo 180th ANG Stingers:






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My choice is venezuelan air force, I love that camo scheme
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If you could pick a new F-16 for Hobby Master to make, what would it be...???

My vote goes to a UAE Block 60/61 F-16E/F Desert Falcon. The UAE's jets are said to be the most advanced F-16 in service anywhere, not even the USAF has an equivalent in active front line service that I'm aware of. A single or two seater, either one would suit me just fine.

Some background info on the Block 60/61 Desert Falcon.... Falcon flourishes in the desert [IDX15D1] | IHS Jane's 360

A nice Vid of the Desert Falcon's at Red Flag, Nellis AFB Nevada... https://youtu.be/bqN3ncyhS0c?t=3
why does this airplane have the bulge on top ? In other pictures i don't see anything like it
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its what they call CFT, Conformal Fuel Tanks, much like the bulge on the sides of the F-15E strike eagle.
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Indonesian AF



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These 2 of Belgium and the Netherlands

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I just don't care for the one-off squadron anniversary special tails, way too specialized to pass as a regular scheme but still not a specialized and colorful enough of a one-off like an airshow demo aircraft. Perfect examples, Witty's Greek and Venezuelan AF F-16s, I don't want a '20 anos' aircraft because I just don't care.

Either give me a line service aircraft, or give me a fully-decked out airshow aircraft.
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Wow guys, I am impressed, you posted some really great choices. The ANG birds are amazing, so many to choose from, I've always been a fan of the aggressor type schemes, and the NSAWC would be a dandy. The camo scheme on the UAE Desert Falcon isn't all that impressive in the pics of the real AC, but these schemes usually "pop out" a little more on a 1/72 model, at least it seems that way to my eyes.

What really attracted me to the Desert Falcon, aside from being a reasonably attractive subject for a model, is the sophisticated technology that went in to it. It beat out the Eurofighter, Rafale, and F-18 Super Hornet in the UAE's competition, and is the most capable F-16 currently flying in any country's Air Force.

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I'm onboard with Tripoli for Ilan Ramon's IAF F-16 "243".
Perfect wingman for my "107"...

But please not this one...
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If you could pick a new F-16 for Hobby Master to make, what would it be...???

My vote goes to a UAE Block 60/61 F-16E/F Desert Falcon. The UAE's jets are said to be the most advanced F-16 in service anywhere, not even the USAF has an equivalent in active front line service that I'm aware of. A single or two seater, either one would suit me just fine.

Some background info on the Block 60/61 Desert Falcon.... Falcon flourishes in the desert [IDX15D1] | IHS Jane's 360

A nice Vid of the Desert Falcon's at Red Flag, Nellis AFB Nevada... https://youtu.be/bqN3ncyhS0c?t=3
I love this idea for a new single seat F-16 with the CFT. There hasn't been one since the Polish version, and the ones that have been announced with CFTs are both dual cockpits.
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YES!!! I'm still hoping HM has this in the word.
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A turkish flacon would be great... with "normal" camo


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YES!!! I'm still hoping HM has this in the word.
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Yup, UAEAF Block 60 F-16E...
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I pitched the idea for a UAE Block 60/61 F-16E/F Desert Falcon to William. I believe the Block 60/61 wouldn't require any new tooling from the existing F-16C HA3803 mould. I also gave him the link to this thread. Hopefully William considers this idea and Ling (works for HM if you don't know) is paying attention to it.

I also pitched an overall idea for a new F-16, whatever livery, as there seems to be great interest for a new F-16 scheme.

Perhaps Dan or you guys might want to send a PM to Ling on DA.C about the UAE Block 60/61 F-16E/F Desert Falcon or present an interest in a new F-16. His forum name is hobbymasterdirect

Here's a link to one of his postings so it saves you a search on DA.C. http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...ng-f-14-a.html

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I pitched the idea for a UAE Block 60/61 F-16E/F Desert Falcon to William. I believe the Block 60/61 wouldn't require any new tooling from the existing F-16C HA3803 mould. I also gave him the link to this thread. Hopefully William considers this idea and Ling (works for HM if you don't know) is paying attention to it.

I also pitched an overall idea for a new F-16, whatever livery, as there seems to be great interest for a new F-16 scheme.

Perhaps Dan or you guys might want to send a PM to Ling on DA.C about the UAE Block 60/61 F-16E/F Desert Falcon or present an interest in a new F-16. His forum name is hobbymasterdirect

Here's a link to one of his postings so it saves you a search on DA.C. http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...ng-f-14-a.html
That's kind of what I thought too.

Thanks for forwarding the thread to William and for the link to PM him. My preference would of course be for the UAE Desert Falcon, but there should be plenty of attractive schemes available to use on the HM mold that uses the CFT's and dorsal avionics compartment, aka "spine hump".

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Agreed, the Polish AF F-16C block 52+ HM-HA3803 mould should work fine for a block 60/61 HM release. Here's a couple photos from SKF's DAC Forum review (06/26/2012) of HA3803 (tail number 4043) for comparison with photo of the real PAF F-16C block 52+ (tail number 4064). I especially like the operational drab-greys combo scheme used on this particular Viper. Thanks for your efforts with HM Kangaroo...
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that block 60 F-16E/F looks very different, it doesn't even have any ECS inlet. This must be made as a new mold or will not worth getting, be too crude. For the Turkish, I'd rather have the MIG-23 killer and not just any Turkish squadron.
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that block 60 F-16E/F looks very different, it doesn't even have any ECS inlet. This must be made as a new mold or will not worth getting, be too crude. For the Turkish, I'd rather have the MIG-23 killer and not just any Turkish squadron.
Perhaps a little "tweaking" on the original HM mould could work just fine...
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Here's another UAE F-16E Block 60 Desert Falcon I like.
This one at Red Flag in 2009...
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Hey Jay, the Turkish F-16 livery that you're interested in has actually been made before by Witty Wings. I like the scheme on this myself, but of course the Witty Wings F-16 is not up to par with HM. There are some gaps, as you can see in the photos - especially with the vertical stabilizer, but it's good enough for me that I'm gonna buy it.

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Perhaps a little "tweaking" on the original HM mould could work just fine...
Stein, you were quite right. I didn't really notice the differences until you mentioned it, as I was excited to pitch it to HM.

However, I did receive a reply back from William of HM. This isn't a really "sensitive" e-mail, so I'll post the reply I got back here:

"About the F-16E. Yes, we have studied it before. But, indeed, there are quite a few new parts need to be made. For instance, the tail plane is different from what we have now. The frontmost antenna on the nose, etc. So we have reserved the idea for future development.

But I believe it will be quite welcomed."
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Hey Jay, the Turkish F-16 livery that you're interested in has actually been made before by Witty Wings. I like the scheme on this myself, but of course the Witty Wings F-16 is not up to par with HM. There are some gaps, as you can see in the photos - especially with the vertical stabilizer, but it's good enough for me that I'm gonna buy it.

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Yeah, i saw that one, but didn't pull the trigger on it. Having owned a couple of Witty F-16's they left me a little...underwhelmed. I have photographed it on a couple of occasions, and probably the reason i'd like to see it done (properly). Not the best, and it's lost a lot of IQ thru Photobucket etc, but here's one i took of it...
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It looks much better in person I think...and if HM did to decide to make it, I'm sure it would look plenty better than Witty's haha. But I don't really like the exhaust nozzle on the HM F-16C mould though. They could've done much better (I'm sure this has been debated before).
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Stein, you were quite right. I didn't really notice the differences until you mentioned it, as I was excited to pitch it to HM.

However, I did receive a reply back from William of HM. This isn't a really "sensitive" e-mail, so I'll post the reply I got back here:

"About the F-16E. Yes, we have studied it before. But, indeed, there are quite a few new parts need to be made. For instance, the tail plane is different from what we have now. The frontmost antenna on the nose, etc. So we have reserved the idea for future development.

But I believe it will be quite welcomed."
By no means am I an expert with diecast construction but seems logical, if tail plane and nose are plastic, they can be produced block 60 style with appropriate "frontmost antenna" made to order. The bulk of the current mould, being diecast, might be fine for the block 60 transition.
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""About the F-16E. Yes, we have studied it before. But, indeed, there are quite a few new parts need to be made. For instance, the tail plane is different from what we have now. The front most antenna on the nose, etc. So we have reserved the idea for future development.

But I believe it will be quite welcomed." "

Sounds like William is up for considering it in the future and given just how great this model already has been, seems like a solid yes for making them.
Their F-2 variant as well is awesome, This model and it's variants have been well made by HM.
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Nice thing about the E, no darn nose pitot tube to break.
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Oh the internet would implode if HM said they were gonna do that retro livery, the too red, white and blue Texan F-16 or dare say that Colorado demonstration Falcon.
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I would explode... That 149th Lone Star Gunfighters is freaking awesome!
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OK, now you've done it... Wild Weasels 50th Anniversary is absolutely stunning. The brilliant tail art and squadron insignias applied to the operational grey scheme is outstanding. HM would do well to release a series of these incredible suggestions. Yup, Wild Weasels 50th is now my favorite with Lone Star Gunfighters a close second
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OK, now you've done it... Wild Weasels 50th Anniversary is absolutely stunning. The brilliant tail art and squadron insignias applied to the operational grey scheme is outstanding. HM would do well to release a series of these incredible suggestions. Yup, Wild Weasels 50th is now my favorite with Lone Star Gunfighters a close second
Out of the latest posts, I would have to say that the Greek Air Force 2015 Demo Team is my favorite. It maybe too garish for some, but I love the blue feathers on the CFT and the lightning bolts (greek mythology) type thing on that livery. For some reason I really like the "Hellenic Air Force" painted on the black cockpit trim as well.

I would also pick up the Wild Weasels 50th Anniversary in a heartbeat if they made that as well. I definitely could not choose between the two so I'd have to pick up both if they're ever produced...but I hope HM is paying attention to this thread! So many liveries presented for Ling and maybe William to ponder about!!

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Do not mess with F-16s... Turkish F-16 shot down Russian Su-24 over Syrian territory, purportedly after violating Turkish air space.
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Some fantastic liveries shown, this will definitely keep William and Ling busy as well as the rest of us very hopeful - can I pick a favourite....No...but I can definitely state that I will need more display room
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Some fantastic liveries shown, this will definitely keep William and Ling busy as well as the rest of us very hopeful - can I pick a favourite....No...but I can definitely state that I will need more display room
Yes, I can confirm this as being a true statement... Stitching6 you definitely DO require "more display space"
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The Turkish aviators shot down a fellow aviators for violating their airspace for 17 seconds.
http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24...ns-ruaf-su-24/

Yeah, really honorable... all in hopes of leading multi nations into a world conflict, really cool headed. NOT. Calculating, yes.
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Fellow aviators? Um, okay.
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False flags didn't do the job so a more direct approach to WWIII is needed
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Yes, when you fly, you gain a respect for ALL those who fly. Hopefully a bit of humanity given the responsibilities of being an aviator.
It is not just the responsibility of flying an expensive aircraft, but the responsibility of those around you as well and for the relations you create flying next to friendly and unfriendly nations. For combat aircraft, especially the consequences of taking that shot. Do you realize just how many thousands of such incidents happened between the US and the Soviet Union and currently Russia, in which both sides have pushed certain limits but HAVE the common sense NOT to shoot and potentially start a conflict?

You understand the rule of pulling out a gun don't you? A responsible person does not do so unless they are truly ready to use it. Same for shooting down the opposition, you don't do so without being fully prepared for the consequences of doing so.

This was a STUPID act, the Turkish pilots knew better and either lost common sense or for political reasons, made a shot that puts the whole region on edge and starts the prospects of not just a regional conflict but world war. That was an act of war against Russia directly. Shooting the pilots as they parachuted down, breaking UN rules of war, a war crime. This is not just a small incident, this has far reaching consequences.
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Gee whiz, I guess air combat and flying in general really is all romantic and sh*t.

On the ground, we don't automatically hand out respect to the enemy. If given, its because they earned it.

As a 24 year Infantryman, if there is a line not to be crossed and someone does. It sucks to be them.

If we have to give warnings or warning shots, before making birth certificates worthless documents. We aren't doing it 10 times over a five minute period.

As you say, just because you have a gun. It doesn't mean you get to do as you wish in other peoples space. Ivan learned that the hard way.

I highly doubt this Turkish pilot acted on his own without instructions from his higher. If he did, it appears they are backing him publically.
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