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Old 10-04-2015, 06:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Today I went to the Toronto Airliners Show and bought a Gemini Aces CF-18A "Tiger Meet". I thought it was a great deal until I opened the box when I came home.

I put the landing gears on, but that white strut thing you put with the landing gear doesn't even FIT! The stand was impossible to put on, maybe because it said "F16" on it!!!

So I am just wondering if there is anyway I can fix this? (Especially the landing gear problem)

Thank you!
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Hi Daniel, sorry to hear about that. Its not just Gemini Jets that have that problem. For me most of the 1.72 fighters I have, the nose gear is one of the hardest to attach for some reason. I've got mine in flight display with the stand on. The stand fits from the rear and its quite contrived in my opinion.

If anything give Gemini jets a email / call, Rod is a pretty cool cat I am sure he will help you out. Take care bud.


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Thank you Paresh.

How do I get another F18 stand, when Gemini doesn't ship to Canada?

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Hate the rear landing gear on that model. Have it myself. I guess I lucked out cause the gear fits...Gemini should've just made it a single piece like HM. :/
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Yeah, when I took the number card out, I saw a whole bunch of pieces, and I thought it was a make-it-yourself model for a second!
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Mine has tampo issues. I should just give it to my two yr old daughter.
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Yeah, when I took the number card out, I saw a whole bunch of pieces, and I thought it was a make-it-yourself model for a second!
Ikr! I had to pull out my HM F-18 to figure out the puzzle.

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Mine has tampo issues. I should just give it to my two yr old daughter.
Canopy issues with mine, it doesn't fully seal.
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Just sent Gemini an e-mail. Hope to hear from them soon.
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Yeah GJ warbirds are pretty rubbish, I bought the limited edition bud Anderson p51 and when I went to display it, no parts fit, they broke easily and the finish was pretty poor, their airliners are a lot better though but still suffer a lot of QC issues
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Hi Ukrainian Falcons,

You are right, their airliners are much better! But still have QC issues. Like the WestJet 737-700, the metal stand doesn't even fit. I have to adjust it every other day, otherwise, the plane is going to fall off!
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I think I should never EVER buy Gemini again! The 3 Gemini models I have are:

1/200 WestJet 737-700
1/72 CF-18A "Tiger Meet"
Wood Stand for 1/200 Narrowbody <-- Not exactly a model, but still, it's Gemini Jets

WestJet: Huge paint chip; stand does not fit
CF-18: Had F-16 stand instead of F-18 stand, broken nose tire
Wood Stand: Tried to put on WestJet 737 but stand does not fit too

GEMINI, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, PLEASE FIX THESE ISSUES!!!
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Well there warbirds line of model is pretty much discontinued. As for their airliners, check them out in person, I've heard storied where someone looked at a couple of the same model and each had some sort of major issue

But I think now they are kind of in partnership with JC wings (?) their QC has improved

Oh and I don't think any GJ warbird model has ever fit on it's stand, if I was to out that p51 on it's stand, it would cash literally 10 seconds later, this was their old style metal stands which were extremely bad

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I would buy JC or Phoenix next time.
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I know the stand I got is not for F18, when you look at it, you will sense that this stand, the top part which supposed to attach to the plane is a joke! I mean, how can you attach the plane to it??? What kind of design is it??
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First off - Gemini Aces models were made for Gemini by Witty Wings, a company that isn't even around anymore. And that's a pretty old model. The good news as far as the stand is concerned is that it is identical (save the length of the mounting screw) as the Witty F-18 stand, so if you can source one of those from some sort of online marketplace somewhere (one that has an e and a Bay in it immediately comes to mind) you could easily have the correct parts. Or you could continue to wax poetic here, your choice.

Most Witty models I've owned have needed some filing or trimming to the landing gear to properly fit. Definitely nowhere near as easy as HobbyMaster, but Witty gear are mostly metal so I'll take it. Just take a hobby knife or sandpaper to it. Or, continue to blow up this message board about how terrible this is and woe is you and how you'll NEVER EVER buy again.

Witty F-18 MLG can be a challenge, yeah. The main strut fits fine but you'll need needlenose pliers for the separate shock absorber strut. Similar issue with the Witty F-16.

As for the stand - the airplane goes on the top, not the bottom ;-) There's a plastic piece that inserts into the exhausts and supports the aircraft underneath it. If there's two prongs, you do indeed have an F-18 mount. If only one, yup that's an F-16 mount. Gemini stands are the metal 'A' that mounts to the metal base 'G', Witty ones are a bit taller and at more of an angle. But with the exception of the length of the screw that attaches the plastic bits to the metal stand (Witty one is a tad longer), again the Witty and Gemini mounts are identical.

If it indeed actually is an F-16 stand...Gemini Aces boxes don't seal shut and are very easy to open (just a single push button) so maybe in the years this sat on the shelf something got swapped out inside. Even with that in mind I've always liked the foam lining for the box, cradles the model pretty well.

Check all that out, it might not even be Gemini's fault.
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It is a pretty old model, and it was full of dust when I bought it. The stand has only one prong, and it says "1:72 F16 F16" on it. So I am sure it is a F-16 stand.

The quality is very good, mostly metal, except the landing gears are not as good as the fuselage. The paint job was excellent.

I agree with you, because the box is not sealed, so I guess someone swapped the F-18 stand with a F-16 stand.
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Yeah landing gear were always the weak point for Witty/Gemini models. There is something to be said for Series I Witty models (landing gear permanently down), all you have to do is take them out of the box and display, but again gear-down only. Curiously those ones came with a stand...

HobbyMaster does the big one-piece modules which are super-easy to swap in and out, but with them you can't display with a belly tank while gear up (except for certain models like the F-18 and F-5). Which is dumb, because a HM F-16 looks great on a Witty stand. And all it'd need is the slot to be molded into the gear module for the belly tank.
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I glued the landing gear on and now it is as good as new!

There is also this thing I found on the bottom of the box, and it is a black and silver thing in a T-shape. Any idea what this T-shaped part is?
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Not sure. Any chance you could post a pic?
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Sure. I'll do it when I get home. About 4:30.
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The little strut thing:
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Is the strut for the open canopy config maybe ?
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I don't think so. The cockpit had a metal strut as well, and the strut from the cockpit fits into a small rubber thing so I guess the strut might be for the speedbrake at the back between the two vertical stabilizers.
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Yep might be for that, I'm too used to HM and there one piece parts lol
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Yep might be for that, I'm too used to HM and there one piece parts lol
Dammit I'm missing that piece.
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My guess is yeah, that's the hydraulic actuator for the speed brake
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IF it is for the speedbrake, how do I put it on the speed brake? Can't find a way.
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I have this model and really didn't have a problem with it. Although the Hobby Master F-18 is a much superior casting, I love the paint scheme on this bird and it looks good next to my HM Tiger Meet CF-104.
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I have this model and really didn't have a problem with it. Although the Hobby Master F-18 is a much superior casting, I love the paint scheme on this bird and it looks good next to my HM Tiger Meet CF-104.

I have to agree with Zendocon on this one - at least in my case - it is a striking model
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FSX - I am separated by geography from my collection (it's in MT, I'm in CA for work for some time), so I won't be able to give you an answer unless I buy a Witty Hornet here, which I'm not sure I'll do. But I'll let you know.

My guess is the lower 't' part somehow fits in the fuselage and the strut connects to the brake. Not sure tho.
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The t part fits sort of loosely into the fuselage, but when the speedbarke comes up, the part comes loose.
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