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Old 02-07-2015, 06:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Witty Wings F/A-18s...a couple of Qs

So I got in my "Bounty Hunters" Superbug. I expected the box to be trashed, as described on eBay, and it was. The model itself came with a stand and the landing gear fixed in the down position. At first I thought I'd been had, as the model was described as new (but with the box damage noted). But as I sat looking at it, it occurred to me that 1) I didn't see any place that the "gear up" fiddly bits would go, and 2) I recalled seeing "Series 1" and "Series 2" when it came to Witty Wings, so perhaps this was a "Series 1". IIRC, Series 1 didn't give you the option to put the gear up.

So am I loosing my mind?

Next question....frankly, I'm not thrilled with this model. There is ZERO detail in the cockpits (though oddly, the little pilots aren't that bad) and the loadout is kinda "meh". I bought this mainly to see how the Witty 'Bugs looked and to get the stand. All told, I spent $40 on this one, so no huge loss. I was thinking about getting that Diamondbacks 18F. The loadout is interesting, as is the paint scheme. Can anyone tell me if it carries the LITENING II and LANTIRN pods? Are the cockpits a little more detailed? I can't find any good pics. I also noticed the Hobby Master 'Bugs were indifferent about having the ability to light their own targets.
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Old 02-07-2015, 10:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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yes, it's a series 1 and no, there's no in-flight (gears up) option. as for the diamondbacks, you may check out these sites before deciding which version you want:

Witty WTW72008-02 - F/A-18 Hornet Diecast Model, USN VFA-102 Diamondbacks, NF102, USS Kitty Hawk: The Flying Mule
Witty W144-07001 - F/A-18F Super Hornet Diecast Model, USN VFA-102 Diamondbacks, NF102: The Flying Mule

p.s. the series 1 has a nicer scheme but the loadout and lack of in-flight display option will probably disappoint you.

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The Series 2 models came with the option to put the gears up.

AFAIK, all of the Series 2 models were fitted with the ATFLIR pod on Station #5.
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airwolf... it's there on the series 1 diamondbacks also.
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Interestingly, the gear-down-only Series I came with the stand...Series II did not.
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witty got rid of the stands due to cost,stands sold seperately from then on

also series 2 models have fuselage bottoms made from plastic instead of metal on all releases F-18,F-15

Early released superbugs also have the pizza box as it called missing from nose in front of windshield
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With the Series 2 Diamondbacks, the missiles have blue bands on them, are these training bombs/missiles ?
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Yeah, I think blue bands signify inert munitions. Yellow/red bands for live.
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Well, I decided to get the Series 2 Diamondback. At the very least, it's a little more colorful than the Series 1 Bounty Hunter. And since I have a stand, that'll go on the new one.

And picked up that RAAF 77Sqn. -18A from Hobby Master to boot, so I should be good to go on Superbugs.
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I was thinking about getting that Diamondbacks 18F. The loadout is interesting, as is the paint scheme. Can anyone tell me if it carries the LITENING II and LANTIRN pods? Are the cockpits a little more detailed? I can't find any good pics. I also noticed the Hobby Master 'Bugs were indifferent about having the ability to light their own targets. [/QUOTE]

I've got the WW F/A 18F 50th Anniversary Diamondback as I wanted a WW Superbug and that was the scheme that appealed to me the most. It is Series 1 so no wheels up option (I prefer to display wheels down anyway), but if you find 'display space' becoming a problem then a combination of some 'wheels up' and some 'wheels down' is usually the way to go anyway.

If you want I don't mind uploading a picture of the undercarriage if your still unsure?

I really like it. The only slight gripe is that when I popped open the canopy I couldn't get it to close flush again without using a bit of blu-tak (didn't want to use glue in case I change my mind later and wanted the canopy open!).
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I find that some times the witty undercarriage can be annoying and unforgiving, i have 2 witty superhornets and while on my second one (the RAAF one) they fit perfectly on my first one (the 100 years of naval aviation digital) the are far from perfect. Both are series 2
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Yeah, I think blue bands signify inert munitions. Yellow/red bands for live.
Ah ok thanks, rather silly they use those markings, I'm not sure I want the Diamondbacks now :-(
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I did a little Googling....the blue bands indicate it is a "captive" munition. See a comment in this link...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/clears...phy/695380973/

I guess a dummy for training/display purposes? I suppose the Diamondback F/A-18 modeled was doing practice bombing runs?? Now I'm looking at my other planes....the WW Bounty Hunter seems confused. The AMRAAMs have a blue band up front and a red on in the back, while the AIM-9s have a yellow band up front and a blue in back.

Nothing a dab of paint won't fix I guess.
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the band at the front is for the warhead... and the band at the back is for the propellant. to simplify, blue are blanks... red/brown are loaded. so blue in front means inactive warhead but ifv they have red/brown bands, they can actually be fired. don't quite understand why they have the red bands up front but blue behind though.
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I always thought the whole missile/bomb was blue if it was a dummy. Oh well, as a former member of the active-duty military, I can tell you we rarely make sense.
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the band at the front is for the warhead... and the band at the back is for the propellant. to simplify, blue are blanks... red/brown are loaded. so blue in front means inactive warhead but ifv they have red/brown bands, they can actually be fired. don't quite understand why they have the red bands up front but blue behind though.
Yeah warhead and no propellant makes zero sense.

Live motor + no warhead would be accurate, particularly for practice events like shooting at drones, especially full-scale ones (FSAT is full scale aerial target) like QF-4s and now QF-16s - it's preferable to not destroy the drone so it can be used again, and the missiles are scored via telemetry to determine if they pass within the lethal envelope where the proximity fuse would activate and get the kill with shrapnel. If the missile actually physically directly hits the drone (which does happen) and it isn't controllable anymore, they'll remotely detonate onboard self-destruct charges.

One ironic thing - I get it that as collectors we want something that 'pops' to our eyes for our money, and drab grey stuff can get monotonous. So airshow one-offs, bright commander's birds, limited edition stuff is pretty common...but then we want all live munitions for an active war load. Realistically, it's the drab grey stuff that goes to war with the payloads, certainly not the airshow birds (big exception to this is obviously the US Navy)...and aircraft spend the majority of their careers performing training flights, and so certainly aren't commonly loaded wall-to-wall with live munitions, and what they do carry is usually inert (non-explosive).

So I guess it's up to the owner to decide what they want to display. I've always been bummed HM and others will place 'blanks' in pylon slots for aircraft like Thunderbirds demo aircraft, I'd love to bomb and missile one up (which can be done, but it's extremely rare). That'd catch the eye!
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So I guess it's up to the owner to decide what they want to display. I've always been bummed HM and others will place 'blanks' in pylon slots for aircraft like Thunderbirds demo aircraft, I'd love to bomb and missile one up (which can be done, but it's extremely rare). That'd catch the eye!
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Great discussion guys. So it seems that some manufacturers get it mixed up and put live warheads on inert motors.

This is real food for thought when purchasing models. I guess the point that warbirds spend more time training then fighting is very valid but still, who wants to see inert weapons on a active looking fighter. And then some manufacturers like Witty put live weapons on aggressors.

I guess so long as the load is accurate, all training or all live weapons, then its good enough to purchase and it 99% of cases, most collectors don't raise this sort of question nor would a non collector tell the difference haha
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I really prefer "active" models. The two Falcon Models birds I have are representatives of actual IAF planes with kills. The WW F-15C is the same.

My HM Harrier though, I got (in a rush, admittedly) a "disbandment" scheme, as I couldn't find an Operation Telic or Desert Storm Harrier. I was kind of surprised to find it loaded to the gills with what I initially thought were Hellfire missiles. Then, to my surprise, I learned that in fact they were Brimstone missiles....a system that was never actually approved for use on Harriers.

So yeah, caveat emptor. I am going to try to fill my ranks with either stripped down, colorful planes, or actual warbirds loaded with the appropriate stores.

Oh, and I did find a Telic Harrier. Just gotta hold off til payday.
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The Desert Storm harrier is one I regret letting go of, Telic would have been my next choice albeit an RAF model which is also hard to find

On closer inspection of 4 Hornets, E and F versions, 2 Dragon and 2 Witty, that I am interested in, 3 of them have inert weapons, both Witty models had inert while Dragon mixed it up.

But all Hornets that have inert weapons have the correct markings for a full inert weapon which I guess is good that its at least accurate.

I think HM generally gives us live weapons and in the case of training weapons, they give us full blue missiles as is the case with the JASDF F-15J, Dragon gives us a mixed bag and Witty seem so far, to almost give inert weapons on all its Hornet models, gosh now I need to go check my Dragon Vipers...
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hahaha... you guys sure seem set on having all your birds scramble for immediate engagement. the loadout of any jet is dynamic... unless you're focussed on the jet for a specific mission. it's like the discussion of being fitted for the particular mission where a certain jet achieved its kills... AND also having the kill markings. well, to each his own...
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hahaha... you guys sure seem set on having all your birds scramble for immediate engagement. the loadout of any jet is dynamic... unless you're focussed on the jet for a specific mission. it's like the discussion of being fitted for the particular mission where a certain jet achieved its kills... AND also having the kill markings. well, to each his own...
Well the preference is always to have a model that is the one depicted in combat, so an active load out is necessary

In regards to active or exact load out and kill markings on the same model, that's what we call "having your cake and eating it too" haha

After reviewing a few Witty and Dragon Hornets, it seems all over the place, Dragon seems the most accurate either it be live or inert and Witty has some odd setups. I guess go with whatever mould is accurate and hope the scheme and weapons are to you liking
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Have to admit, it'd be pretty cool to load up a Thunderbirds Viper.
You shouldn't be surprised by this, the 'Birds are active-duty aircraft and the pilots have to continue war training even while practicing airshow stuff.
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I looked over mine last night. All my HM planes have "live" weapons. My WW F-15C IAF is "live" (and has the appropriate kill marks for the modeled plane.....just unsure if they put the kills on BOTH sides of the fuselage. Seems odd if they did). My WW F/A-18F has that weird mix of bands, no bombs, and appears to have TWO LITENING pods....one on each side. My Falcon Models IAF planes have no bands on their AAMs. Must be covert. Keep the Syrians/Egyptians/etc. guessing.
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