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Old 05-31-2015, 12:44 AM   #101
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Reminds me of the Monty Python 'Parrot Sketch'

"is no more", "has ceased to be", "bereft of life, it rests in peace"
I can't help but read that in John Cleese's voice in my head.

Could someone take a photo of their NASA our Mountain Home Eagles next to a couple of other HM models? If the really aren't as blue as they appear, seeing them side by side with other models will help show that...
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blue-ish, no?

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Seeing this pic then the colours aren't the sore-point: it's the exhaust nozzles... Hahaha
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Seeing this pic then the colours aren't the sore-point: it's the exhaust nozzles... Hahaha
nah... the sore point is not hitting the jackpot time and time again coz then i couldn't care less what nozzles or tint the models have and just buy them all

and guys... you may want to revisit the witty releases. some of them are excellent, canopy shape notwithstanding. go check out the detailing on their idf eagles. i must say i was floored. yes, they're that good (either that or i'm easily satisfied)
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blue-ish, no?
The JASDF paint scheme uses different colors from that of the USAF Mod Eagle paint scheme.

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(either that or i'm easily satisfied)
You're easily satisfied.

The Wittys are just wrong in shape. No amount of paint can cover that up.
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HMs shape also has some flaws. The canopy bulge somehow just seems wrong. Also the nozzles just look bad. For the price they are asking for it, it's just not enough.
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With an accurate nozzle, canopy, and the rest an excellent 1/72 scale F-15 should cost about $150.

Say tomcatters, did you edit the color of the MO F-15? Because if you didn't the colors are not bad at all

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Why should it cost that much? I don't ask for top notch nozzles but I'm sure they could have done a better job. It costs already what, twice as much as a witty F-15?
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Why should it cost that much? I don't ask for top notch nozzles but I'm sure they could have done a better job. It costs already what, twice as much as a witty F-15?
Witty went bankrupt - so no longer a competitor.

HM is not twice as expensive. Witty is 20% cheaper.

Witty F-15 Flying Mule $79.95 (Stand Extra)

F-15C Eagle 1:72 Diecast Model - Witty WT-WTW72005-25 - Witty WTW72005-25: The Flying Mule

HM F-15 Flying Mule $99.99 (Stand Included).

F-15C Eagle 1:72 Diecast Model - Hobby Master HM-HA4551 - Hobby Master HA4551: The Flying Mule

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As much as I would like HM to make that exact IDF model Dan posted above, I will absolutely wait for HM to make it.
The HM model is a great mold, just waiting for Hm to pop out the livery schemes and o do them justice. Right now, I have the first HM Israel model, if my budget allows soon, I will jump on the first HM F-15 model as well because it's a great piece. When HM stops adding color effects and stick with the actual non blue USAF livery schemes, I will be jumping to make the purchases on them as well.
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With an accurate nozzle, canopy, and the rest an excellent 1/72 scale F-15 should cost about $150.

Say tomcatters, did you edit the color of the MO F-15? Because if you didn't the colors are not bad at all
hi stein... this was taken by my smartphone so not sure how much post-processing has gone into it as they are not raw shots.
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You're easily satisfied.

The Wittys are just wrong in shape. No amount of paint can cover that up.

ahh well... buy what you like and like what you buy
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"buy what you like and like what you buy"

Should be the number one rule of collecting.
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witty f-15s are now in the $50 range on ebay, but this is misleading. that price is mostly driven by the fact that a few sellers have decided to play the 'long game' and not discount much knowing that witty is gone and HMs aren't getting any cheaper. in practice, and this is even quite recently, witty f-15s were much chepaer. i dont think i ever paid more than around GBP 20 for one, and for my favorite, the early eglin's gorilla's one (fixed gear) i think i paid around GBP 12. I bought the edwards one in a combo with the f-16 for gbp 15 at a show.

i had the EG one side by side with the HM tiger meet one. they displayed quite well together. the only f-15 in my collection that doesnt look good is the dragon SJ with the tinted canopy.
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witty f-15s are now in the $50 range on ebay, but this is misleading. that price is mostly driven by the fact that a few sellers have decided to play the 'long game' and not discount much knowing that witty is gone and HMs aren't getting any cheaper. in practice, and this is even quite recently, witty f-15s were much chepaer. i dont think i ever paid more than around GBP 20 for one, and for my favorite, the early eglin's gorilla's one (fixed gear) i think i paid around GBP 12. I bought the edwards one in a combo with the f-16 for gbp 15 at a show.

i had the EG one side by side with the HM tiger meet one. they displayed quite well together. the only f-15 in my collection that doesnt look good is the dragon SJ with the tinted canopy.
whoa... that's a lot of f15s! would love to see that nest of eagles in all their glory! must certainly be a sight for sore eyes...
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I missed out on the witty F-15 sales. Picked up quite a few Super Hornets though. And I have to say I really like them.
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I bought the F15I a few weeks back. If they keep up with the quality of their F15 models I may end up with a whole nest of Eagles.
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I bought the F15I a few weeks back. If they keep up with the quality of their F15 models I may end up with a whole nest of Eagles.
not after you start reading the threads on their other models, you won't. that idf with its popeyes will be alone in that nest... with perhaps the japanese twins.
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I would have bought more eagles by now if there has been any good ones. But for now, only the IDF eagle is in my display. Wanted a NASA and USAF F-15 badly for display but HM has screwed the pooch on them so far. Once HM decides to realistically paint them and not get artistic, I will jump at the purchase. Sad because I would have bought two or three more by now if they had painted them correctly.
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Is the color for flag correct? Serbian flag should be red blue and white...
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Is the color for flag correct? Serbian flag should be red blue and white...
houston, we have a problem...
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Yugoslavian flag is different and uses the same colours but in a different order. It was blue, white, then red.

The USAF mistakenly used the Yugoslavian flag to indicate Serbian victories on the F-15.

I believe that the decals used as a reference were also wrong though.

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and that's why they decided they couldn't go wrong with numbered green stars thereafter. kinda like they're, their and there...
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Actually at the time a blue-white-red flag would have been correct (as long as it didn't sport a socialist red star). In 1999 NATO was fighting against (the State Union of) Serbia and Montenegro. Some time in the mid 2000s Montenegro and Serbia became separate form each other and then Serbia changed its flag to the red-blue-white one of today.
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Actually at the time a blue-white-red flag would have been correct (as long as it didn't sport a socialist red star). In 1999 NATO was fighting against (the State Union of) Serbia and Montenegro. Some time in the mid 2000s Montenegro and Serbia became separate form each other and then Serbia changed its flag to the red-blue-white one of today.
But...if u check the jet kill mark...the color order is blue-red-white... Not blue white red..
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In that case they're wrong altogether.
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O.K.

Finally received my copy from Hong Kong.

I will do a complete review later on.

But for now, I can say in all honesty the colour is very different from the Hobby Master Final Product Photos.

It made no sense (especially after William stated the blue was adjusted by 15%) for the model to look the same as the previous two releases.

I have adjusted my photos to reflect the actual model and have checked them on my Notebook, ipad with Retina display, and 27 inch iMac.

I would say that the colour needs further adjustment, but the contrast is nothing like the final product photos.

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That is actually a lot better and now within the limits of my own specific standards.

So its back on the list.

Thanks Dan.
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I think the colors look spot on. I wouldn't change a thing.
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I think the colors look spot on. I wouldn't change a thing.
...except the kill marking flags, perhaps?
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Knowing there is no actual blue paint on those birds, still too blue for me. I can wait for them to be done correctly.
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Knowing there is no actual blue paint on those birds, still too blue for me. I can wait for them to be done correctly.
and turning blue in the process...
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Nice work, Dan! Your photos are much better.

I am still on the fence about this one though.
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Nice work, Dan! Your photos are much better.

I am still on the fence about this one though.
ouch! fences are pretty painful to be sitting on
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ouch! fences are pretty painful to be sitting on
Yeah - it's one of those rolled bamboo fences.
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Yeah - it's one of those rolled bamboo fences.
real pain the arse, that

guess it's a question of whether the blue makes you blue or whether the kill mark misses its mark. time to flip that coin...
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Good to hear it Dan, I already had a slight feeling the photos by HM were a bit misleading. Will have to check it in the store, but it looks so much better already in your pic.
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sigh... but the kill marks are still wrong. how did hm get that wrong? i'm sure dan wasn't consulted
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have to admit i tDan, looks a lot better in your pic, still wrong but getting there, think another adjustment will be the charm
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"and turning blue in the process..."

Nah, looking at the shades of grey...

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I think it looks pretty good. The contrast isn't as high. When I flew at Ailine X half of our fleet looked different do to a poor paint scheme and weather fading. This looks good enough to get. I love Eagles and I think this will be one that "I'd wished I'd gotten" if I pass it up. That being said I need to start narrowing my focus for space. Maybe time to start unloading some different models.
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The blue tint on USAF F-15s is a fact, and the picture of the model (not by HM) shows it decently but it still can be better. Freshly painted F-15s will show that tint with no doubt.
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Here's a Lakenheath F-15C (full size pic attached). It's a pic from this article of May 2014: 48th AEG wraps-up Baltic deployment | global aviation report.

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For a comparison purposes.

Have to say it looks OK, when taking into account the variabilities in light tone blah blah
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Other than the wrong color on the body and two flags, the radar cone should be in another type of color. Personally, I do not like HM F-15 about the seam lines along the front canopy, nozzle, no turbine fans, less stencils, and the assembly etc. HM F-15 series is just like low profile model. HM did make lots of good models in the past, but not recently.
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Other than the wrong color on the body and two flags, the radar cone should be in another type of color. Personally, I do not like HM F-15 about the seam lines along the front canopy, nozzle, no turbine fans, less stencils, and the assembly etc. HM F-15 series is just like low profile model. HM did make lots of good models in the past, but not recently.
Umm, that would be a no sale for you then.
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I'd be interested in seeing it photographed on a white background, the blue background is possibly affecting the contrast.

That said if Dan can see the difference / improvement then others will too & more of these will be appearing in collectors hands over the coming days & weeks

Not for me, happy with my Witty LN Eagle
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yeah... i think it's kinda like the blue-black/white-gold dress. some see blue others see grey. and for those who've seen the real bird...
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