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Old 01-11-2015, 02:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This would make a nice addition in 1:72.

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Old 01-11-2015, 07:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Unfortunately the only manufacturer who ever considered making russian die cast is gone. So good luck getting that. I would love to see a series of suckhoi aircraft made such as the Su-25/27/30/35. I wish a company would look into making a russian line.
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Old 01-11-2015, 04:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sure, love to see the mighty SU-24.

In fact Cold War Sukoi types have been given short thrift in the Hobby, particularly SU-22 and earlier.
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Su 24-35, yes please. MiG 23-31 too......I won't be holding my breath though. None of the current 'decent' players seem likely to take a chance on them. More of the same I fear!
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None of the current 'decent' players seem likely to take a chance on them. More of the same I fear!
Yep, don't expect much different from the usual suspects like F-4, F-16, F/A-18 and now F-15's this year

One has to ask, how much longer HM can keep producing Phantoms and very similar looking F-16's ?
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Old 01-11-2015, 09:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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There are plenty of both F-16 and F-15 liveries for HM to produce. I expect HM will not produce as many as some would like. HM could do the same for the F-18 A but I expect they will start pumping out super hornets soon. HM also is looking at diversifying their product line, so the real issue will be how much resources they have available to produce products that are in demand. William's real problem is weighing what will be popular with his limited capabilities to produce such. And you go with what has a history of making good sales.

Rumor is Witty had their Russian molds up for sale and found a buyer, so someone out there will be cranking the Russian birds out probably by the 3rd or 4th quarter. Whomever buys them would be smart to continue the line, so just wait for an announcement or see what happens this upcoming year.
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HM also is looking at diversifying their product line
This we can already see with their Hawkeye, Vigi and 1:48 Hurricane. Hopefully they will continue down this path as it would be good to get diversity in ones collection. This years diecast resolution is to purchase new moulds and less or no moulds I already have multiples of

It is a shame they won't do 1:72 warbirds, at least more USN subjects


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Rumor is Witty had their Russian molds up for sale and found a buyer, so someone out there will be cranking the Russian birds out probably by the 3rd or 4th quarter. Whomever buys them would be smart to continue the line, so just wait for an announcement or see what happens this upcoming year.
I hope to god it's not AF1... in which case it was probably best if the moulds were buried in the ground. If it's HM, I will buy ever single release they make... ok maybe not all but most of them
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Old 01-11-2015, 11:34 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Sometimes I wonder how much the real demand for Soviet/Russian aircrafts is? I mean the F-x, each can have 2 or even 3 manufacturers working at the same time and still look like no problem in selling. But only a few care about the Sukhoi or MiG (and they're already gone), why?
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I guess it's as simple as, why produce limited runs of 1000 soviet models a piece when you can mass produce 5000 a piece F-X cash cows, it's pretty obvious which one most manufacturers would do.

We were just lucky Witty took a risk and knew they were unmatched on these subjects due to the risk involved.

One this is sure, doing display team and bare metal models is not going to achieve the sales you would expect when you are the only game in town doing these.

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Sometimes I wonder how much the real demand for Soviet/Russian aircrafts is? I mean the F-x, each can have 2 or even 3 manufacturers working at the same time and still look like no problem in selling. But only a few care about the Sukhoi or MiG (and they're already gone), why?
I suspect the demand exists. Why do people buy German and Japanese 'birds'? Because they want a balanced collection? Why, if you collect modern birds would you not want the same? We have seen a few Mig 29's (Corgi, Witty) and Su 27 family (Gaincorp, Witty) but no Mig 23, 25, 27, 31 or Su 22, 24, 25 (I discount the low end of the market attempts, such as Altaya/IXO).

Wouldn't you want the 'adversaries' that your favourite US Jets were potentially or actually up against? Plenty of conflicts to choose from, Arab/Israeli, Iran/Iraq Gulf War, lots of different/unusual schemes. When you consider both China and India fly Soviet era birds both, not inconsiderable potential markets, there are opportunities to explore surely.

I would certainly want, if available from a decent manufacturer, a Su 24, 25, Mig 23/27 and 25/31.
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There is a MIG23 tooling getting around. A start up company called Red Falcon had one up to pre-pro stage. Unfortunately Red Falcon had to give it away.

I suspect HM was the factory, I have no idea where it is now though.
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As most MiG's used in conflict basically ended up as cannon fodder, there isn't too much individual aircraft/pilot history to tell I think. So getting multiple Su-24s made in markings of countries like Ukraine, Syria, Algeria is interesting for some, it won't attract too many collectors, but that's my humble opinion.

Maybe owning one Su-24, Su-22 (my favorite actually) and one MiG-25 will be on the list for many collectors, owning several Fencers probably not so much.
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As most MiG's used in conflict basically ended up as cannon fodder, there isn't too much individual aircraft/pilot history to tell I think. So getting multiple Su-24s made in markings of countries like Ukraine, Syria, Algeria is interesting for some, it won't attract too many collectors, but that's my humble opinion.

Maybe owning one Su-24, Su-22 (my favorite actually) and one MiG-25 will be on the list for many collectors, owning several Fencers probably not so much.
I too am a big fan of the SU22.

You make an interesting point. I dunno though, you could be very well right? But the SU-24 does have some presence and in 1:72 it would be a sizeable beast.

Plenty of scheme options (not necessarily a good thing for the manufacturer and ultimately the cost of the thing) but with Afghanistan and some of the Camo and Winter schemes....I would certainly be up for 3 Soviet Fencers.

I would not be interested to much in the Middle Eastern stuff, but the Soviet stuff....most certainly.

Not everyone is me of course.....and I have thing for big swing-wing type aircraft such as the Tonka and F111....so the SU-24 would be very welcome in my Hanger...............x 3.
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I think I'd rather a MiG-23 then a Su-24 TBH, the former got quiet a lot of support when Red Falcon announced it.

The MiG-23, Su-22 and Su-25 are three soviet era aircraft that should to be made, each have quiet a few operators and very nice camo schemes, in fact its hard to find those three aircraft in bare metal.

In terms of countries that I think would be popular, I would say Soviet Union, Russia (but for me, not a popular as Soviet), Ukraine (obviously) Poland, Czech Republic, Syria and Iraq.

Middle Eastern stuff might not have much of a following but when there is a model from that area released, it generally sells well, if only purely because there isn't much on the market for the ME and the schemes are usually pretty good.

Then there are the African nations and while I can't say I'm looking forward to any in particular, IF the right scheme was released, I would be interested in one.

So there you go, put me down for Soviet, Ukrainian and Polish with possible Middle Eastern and African versions of each of those.

At this point, any camo from any country of any of these aircraft would be a welcome change from modern US low vis schemes.

I think the biggest problem for a case of these aircraft being made is they are not used in any sort of "glorious" wars, in fact most are used in what I'd call "dirty" little wars, like border disputes and civil wars, at least that applies to anything from the Middle East and Africa.
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