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Old 10-28-2014, 06:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have just heard from Chris at Falcon Models.

Evidently the factory they were using has suddenly gone out of business and Falcon is attempting to restart production elsewhere.

This will result in a three to six month delay in future releases.

Any further news will be announced on this forum as it occurs.

I think this may be a good thing for Falcon in the long run. Recently they were having problems with that factory releasing models without making corrections (as suggested by collectors) and the quality control was beginning to suffer.

Chris's email is below.

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Hi Dan,

We've got the bad news from the factory. The factory that we employed was shut down suddenly due to some financial problems.

We are trying to retrieve back the toolings and put them back to production. And I think this incident will cause the production delay over 3-6 months (fingers crossed).

I will keep posting on the updates.

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Hopefully they will restart operations in a new factory and get better QC, they have interesting molds but always an issue with them
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I suppose I can wait longer for a CF-5 if it's going to be done right.
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No cash flow for 3-6 months!!!

Hey Dan....maybe time to introduce Chris to William.
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Holy crap !!! Just hope the next factory is an improvement and not a step backwards just to get production going again.

Oh well, bank balance will look abit healthier for 6 months
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Well, I guess we know what production facility they were using...
Two die cast companies down now, wow, changes the playing field for a bit.
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Well, I guess we know what production facility they were using...
Two die cast companies down now, wow, changes the playing field for a bit.
two? the only one i know of is witty.
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Well, I guess we know what production facility they were using...
Two die cast companies down now, wow, changes the playing field for a bit.
It wasn't Witty's factory that was used as far as I know.

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Hopefully they can recover their dies and other tools before someone at the factory decides they might bring a little extra cash selling them to a competitor.
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Well its a sign of the times.....you know, before I joined DAC...I had searched the web for any clue as to any kind of Falcons Models website ...even for Millennium Models Limited which is printed on the Falcons Models box.....to no avail. I even tried email to [email protected] still nothing in a reply. As ACPilot answered one of my posts...there is no website. How strange is that? No one to contact for suggestions, no one to contact for customer service for broke parts etc...like you can do with Hobby Masters.

Having a few Falcon Models planes....I also noticed that they printed a Hong Kong address on the box.......strangely....not all the addresses are the same.

IMO it's smells of a fly by night (excuse the pun) operation moving from location to location. On one of the address's I Googled Earth it also using street view, and to me its a multi story High Rise building near a busy shopping area of all kinds of retail shops. The building appeared to me as an apartment building...could it have been where they have an office? Or is it a makeshift factory using several connected apartments?.....I did not see nor noticed any type of factory business park of other factories while I strolled around the neighborhood using street view.

It's pretty shady to me. No wonder! At least for now....they like WW are memories.

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Well its a sign of the times.....you know, before I joined DAC...I had searched the web for any clue as to any kind of Falcons Models website ...even for Millennium Models Limited which is printed on the Falcons Models box.....to no avail. I even tried email to [email protected] still nothing in a reply. As ACPilot answered one of my posts...there is no website. How strange is that? No one to contact for suggestions, no one to contact for customer service for broke parts etc...like you can do with Hobby Masters.

Having a few Falcon Models planes....I also noticed that they printed a Hong Kong address on the box.......strangely....not all the addresses are the same.

IMO it's smells of a fly by night (excuse the pun) operation moving from location to location. On one of the address's I Googled Earth it also using street view, and to me its a multi story High Rise building near a busy shopping area of all kinds of retail shops. The building appeared to me as an apartment building...could it have been where they have an office? Or is it a makeshift factory using several connected apartments?.....I did not see nor noticed any type of factory business park of other factories while I strolled around the neighborhood using street view.

It's pretty shady to me. No wonder! At least for now....they like WW are memories.

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Not sure where you are getting your conspiracy theories from.

Please get your facts straight before posting such ridiculous statements.

Falcon can hardly be called a "Fly by Night" business . Falcon has not gone under - rather their contract factory has. Unlike Hobby Master they do not own their own production facility. They have been reliably providing regular scheduled releases to collectors for over four years now.

I asked Chris (back then) if it would help if I posted their release information on the various Diecast Discussion websites and acted as a go between for their company and collectors (to allow for feedback and improvement). Since English was not their first language the offer was gladly accepted. There has always been a contact email address (as printed on their boxes - [email protected]) with many collectors (including myself) regularly receiving a response to suggestions and corrections or receiving replacement parts.

The fact that they don't have a dedicated website is more a reflection that they are a very small company (3 employees including the President) and chose to invest their resources elsewhere.

I have met with Chris in person (my airline pilot job allows regular travel to Hong Kong) and have found him to be a reliable and honest person.

I have confidence that Falcon will re-emerge with a new factory partner soon and will continue to provide unusual aircraft subjects for collectors that other manufacturers have neglected.

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So, there's a President and 2 employees. That's about the smallest model production company I've ever heard of (besides the inept Seattle Model Aircraft gang), and that doesn't bode well for them due to the amount cash reserves that are needed to survive a half year shutdown. That's the reality of the situation regardless of how many here are on the sidelines cheering for a resurrection.
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I have no idea whether Falcon Models will survive or not. I, of course, hope they do.

Notwithstanding the 3-6 months of the absence of cash flow, its not unusual for manufacturers to change factory.

Corgi has done it a number of times. So I am not going to write off FM models just yet.

Just to get down the weeds a bit......does that mean the latest RAAF Mirage will also be delayed?? It appears to have not hit the retailers yet.

I guess it would be a good idea to get some clarification on some releases. Such as the RAAF Mirage III and the NASA T38 that have already been announced....but maybe awaiting shipping?
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Yeah I've ordered parts from them and they delivered, not too keen on suggestions though

If they are only a 3 man team, damn, they've done a bl00dy good job then
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I guess it would be a good idea to get some clarification on some releases. Such as the RAAF Mirage III and the NASA T38 that have already been announced....but maybe awaiting shipping?
I also hope Falcon come through this adjustment. And I am also keen to know about these two models, they are both on my want list.
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So, there's a President and 2 employees. That's about the smallest model production company I've ever heard of for a resurrection.
As Dan says, they don't produce themselves. That's all outsourced and that is the reason of their looking for a different factory. I just hope that the people handling the bankruptcy will not claim ownership of the moulds. If Falcon can get those out of the receivership then they should be fine.
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Falcon did me right with some parts issues, when I get a chance I'll go into detail in the appropriate thread (got it all cued up already). They spared no expense to make something right, and I won't forget that. Hope they get this sorted out and can move forward!
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Flying-tigers.co.uk is also closing down.
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ACPilot "ridiculous statements." Perhaps to some and perhaps not to others. I believe the statement I made at the end of what I wrote, was "At least for now....they like WW are memories." ....At least for now is meant to leave open the possibility that FM may return. My thought he is not to say as you stated "Falcon has not gone under"....Gone under is pretty permanent, on the contrary, I agree, I want to see them back...but until then in my opinion they will be a memory until when and if they resurface.

Moving forward...Aardvark's announcement of Flying Tigers closing down, prompted me to visit there website. I found a Newsletter dated 29/08/14 in which it had a good writeup of what the Diecast Industry is going through, The link is below..but also I will add the text below from the article. Basically, the industry we love is on a roller coaster ride. The article is enlightening to say the least.

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Pipe-Lines Under The Ocean. D-Day 70th Anniversary

The Die-cast Aviation Collecting - A hobby at a crossroads

"As we prepared to head off for our recent holiday, rumours began to circulate around the industry that things were not looking too good for one of the established brands in our hobby and indeed an entire die-cast manufacturing facility in the Far East had closed down. Over the past few days, the situation has been clarified by the UK distributor and they have confirmed that this is unfortunately the case and there have been some problems in China – this could be a situation which may be repeated in the future, as our hobby seems to be struggling for an identity at the moment and things could possibly get worse, before they get any better. In the twelve, or so years that I have been involved in the industry, there have been some great times and some which were not so good and I fear that our hobby may now be at something of a crossroads. It is certainly lacking a clear direction and this general confusion is having an impact on both the collector at large and some of his traditional supply points. In my experience, there are a number of reasons for this and it is worth having a quick look at them.

Firstly, China. For a long time now, China has been the home of die-cast manufacturing and the move to the Far East was great for the hobby. It allowed manufacturers to bring quality product to the market at very reasonable prices, with lots of factories competing to take on the work. That does not now appear to be the case – costs have increased significantly, with the Chinese government actually dictating the type of work they want these factories to do. Both manufacturing and general transportation costs have increased and it really is more difficult for companies to have their models manufactured in this part of the world.


Secondly, the die-cast aviation collector has possibly had it a little too good, for too long. What I mean by this is that there have been lots of manufacturers making lots of models and the level of choice available to us has been simply astonishing. Add to this the recent recession and this level of choice has led to some over-production in some areas, with people who are not expert in the hobby thinking that this means nobody is interested any more and closing production lines. It is about quality, not quantity and well researched and executed products are essential in my view, but manufacturers do not seem to be as focussed, in some cases. With less available money around, we are now seeing factories beginning to close and some of the well known names in our hobby, like Witty Sky Guardians and Sky Max disappearing for good. Unfortunately for us, they may not be the last casualties that we see.


Thirdly, traditional retail stores are being left without support from manufacturers and distributors, who are also trying to keep their own businesses profitable. This has seen retail stores of all sizes closing in their droves over recent months, making it more difficult for collectors to see and purchase their beloved aviation models. With extremely tight account terms, increasing costs and diminishing margins, you can hardly blame retailers for deciding that carrying on in the industry is almost futile, which is unfortunate for the collector and in my view, absolutely disastrous for the future of the hobby.


Finally, we have seen the traditional suppliers to the retail trade decide to offer their own direct sales operations recently, which has led to the unbelievable situation of your closest allies becoming your biggest competitors! I agree that choice is a good thing and that the customer is king, but I fear that these developments have led to a distinct lack of passion and focus in this industry and surely that is what collectable product is all about. I think what is left of the retail trade and the collector at large is really confused at the moment, which is why I think that the hobby is at a real crossroads. As with everything else, the fortunes of this industry suffer troughs as well as peaks and I am sure that it will sort itself out in the end, but things could get worse, before they start to get any better. I could be wrong, but I think it is going to be a bit of a roller coaster ride in the short term, so we had better hold on tight."

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If he's not referring to WW or Falcon, then who ? Corgi or HM ? Maybe the former but surely not the latter ?

Then again, HM has been churning out a lot of low vis vipers, my thoughts are, if these are already made in the thousands and printing applied later on once a livery has been decided, could it be they need to offload a lot of stored vipers in a hurry ?

Just my 2 cents but hope for the hobbies sake HM is still going strong because they are pretty much propping up the hobby at this point.
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The article above is relevant and to be frank nothing new. Corgi's new sales regime, Tiger Hobbies going retail etc etc is old news, although the effects are becoming more visible in Britain. In fact those retailers that serve the customer on line with the reduced overheads and large throughput seemingly are surviving and maybe thriving. This transition from brick and mortar to online stores has been happening long before Corgi's new regime or Tiger Hobbies going retail. One other thing that online retailers had over brick and mortar is its international exposure as a consequence of going on-line.

But its relevant to Britain only.

Falcon Models is not a done deal yet (neither is Skymax)....and as I mentioned before its not the first time a manufacturer has had to change factories.

And whilst SkyGuardians is gone.....the toolings are not and they are being sought after....not to mention Gemini is, apparently still cracking on.

Meanwhile, Oxford is expanding its range and increasing its quality. Aviation72 is still releasing models.

Then there is Air Force One.

The Hobby will always be evolving, ebbs and flows etc etc. But lets not mistake what happens in Britain automatically is representative of the Hobby globally.
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If he's not referring to WW or Falcon, then who ? Corgi or HM ? Maybe the former but surely not the latter ?

Then again, HM has been churning out a lot of low vis vipers, my thoughts are, if these are already made in the thousands and printing applied later on once a livery has been decided, could it be they need to offload a lot of stored vipers in a hurry ?

Just my 2 cents but hope for the hobbies sake HM is still going strong because they are pretty much propping up the hobby at this point.

I actually think he is referring to Witty.
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I actually think he is referring to Witty.
Phew, ah yeah yes, he said long established brand, not respected brand
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What do you mean Witty was not respected, i held witty in the same regard that i hold HM, they churned out some lovely models. Not to mention the only manufacturer who gave justice to your avatar was Witty.
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What do you mean Witty was not respected, i held witty in the same regard that i hold HM, they churned out some lovely models. Not to mention the only manufacturer who gave justice to your avatar was Witty.
It was kind of a joke, I have nothing against WW and of course they are the only one willing to do the subjects others won't *cough HM doing a Su-27 or MiG-29 cough*

But I have been told by a leading retailer that most of their returns were WItty models
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Its true that unfortunately i cant see HM doing some russian subjects any time soon, Sorry i didnt see your joke, maybe next time huh?
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The lack of good Soviet models has always bugged me. I would love nothing more than a chance to pick up a 1/72 scale Pe-2, or Il-10 (with 37mm cannon!), let alone a Mig 25/31 (seriously they could even be released in Syrian/Iraqi colours and I'd buy it!), or Su-24.........so many missed opportunities!
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The molds from Witty have value/ equity. I would think that they will sell them off to another company which could then modify them to a possibly better standard. So don't count out that the Witty model types will never be produced again.
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Agreed. A good mold is a good mold. They'll sell their assets unless they intend on giving it another go in the future. Somebody will definitely buy the molds.

As for Falcon, I think they're the best of the smaller diecast companies out there. Obviously, they aren't anywhere as big as Corgi or Hobby Master, but they are producing models that deserve to be displayed side by side with the big boys. Rather than getting negative about their factory woes, I'd like to tip my hat in show of support. I'll even gladly order a CF-5 (of course, that would require announcing their intent to build one. ). I remember Dan saying something about another Canadian T-33 on the horizon too. Yup. I'll buy that too.
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Agreed. A good mold is a good mold. They'll sell their assets unless they intend on giving it another go in the future. Somebody will definitely buy the molds.

As for Falcon, I think they're the best of the smaller diecast companies out there. Obviously, they aren't anywhere as big as Corgi or Hobby Master, but they are producing models that deserve to be displayed side by side with the big boys. Rather than getting negative about their factory woes, I'd like to tip my hat in show of support. I'll even gladly order a CF-5 (of course, that would require announcing their intent to build one. ). I remember Dan saying something about another Canadian T-33 on the horizon too. Yup. I'll buy that too.
Excellent post.

Falcon Models is a great little manufacturer. I just love the F86D tooling....and the toolings it has released such as the Panther fill the 50s gap.

It is also a great supporter of Canadian and Australian collectors....something that Corgi should take note of.
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Excellent post.

Falcon Models is a great little manufacturer. I just love the F86D tooling....and the toolings it has released such as the Panther fill the 50s gap.

It is also a great supporter of Canadian and Australian collectors....something that Corgi should take note of.
Thank you! And yeah, the F86D is awesome. That was one of my favourite planes as a kid. That, the Starfighter, and the Delta Darts and Daggers.

Corgi has done some great Canadian releases in the past and then just completely stopped for some reason. I don't know if they didn't sell well or what the issue was, but I have their Typhoon and Canso and they're both excellent models. Their Golden Hawks Sabre is pretty inaccurate, but I have it all the same. It still looks good in my collection. I would love to get the RCAF Lancs and the Wellington they released, but they are difficult to find and SUPER expensive when you do. Same goes for their Hurricane. I really wish they'd do a 1/72 DC-3, Mustang or Vampire (although I don't think they've done an F.3 yet).
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I find that all of their meteors are too expensive, i have always wanted one to go with my Me-262 but i haven't been able to fin one at an appropriate price.
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Falcon did me right with some parts issues, when I get a chance I'll go into detail in the appropriate thread (got it all cued up already). They spared no expense to make something right, and I won't forget that. Hope they get this sorted out and can move forward!
Had a similar positive experience. Chris was easy to reach and very helpful. Didn't know they had only 3 employees, but it's a common business model to outsource everything and wouldn't hinder my dealing with them in the future. As perilously mentioned, they're the only maker for certain aircraft types, such as the T-33, of which I have an extensive collection.
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Hopefully they can recover their dies and other tools before someone at the factory decides they might bring a little extra cash selling them to a competitor.
So did he get to recover his tooling? - Worst nightmare for any western producer.
I heard Model Power or Atlas lost some of their tooling for model trains a few years ago when one of their Chinese contractors went bankrupt.
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