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Old 06-22-2014, 04:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So folks with HM's F-35 (let's not revive the debates), brand new F-15 announcement and F-16 etc what are we still waiting on? Interested in what you guys have to say, trying to exclude desired new molds of subjects already done e.g. new Lancaster, F-14 etc.

So early F-15 variants, F-117, maybe some USSR subjets, I know I'd love to have a HM Mig-25 in my collection for one.

How about some larger subjects too with Corgi producing the 1/72 Vulcan? Being British I'd be overjoyed to have the v-force completed with a Valiant and Victor but thinking on the basis of a wider appeal surely a U-2 casting would be a winner? Hustler anyone or B-47, similar size to a Vulcan?

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SU-22 and Mig 23 would be nice
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i second stevenfl... red star birds would be great, like SU-22 and MIg-23, but su-25 and su-24 too.
And for propeller : Pe-2... with finnish camo and russians of course !
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I assume that we are talking about HM, Corgi, Falcon, Witty/Aviation72 and a few other "quality" manufacturers, not the likes of Altaya which has done the Mig-23 and quite a few other unusual subject jets recently.

The problem seems to be a great reluctance on the part of HM to go the modern Russian jet route, though there are indications that it might make a Mig-23 and, possibly a few more in the next few years. The new guys in town---Air Force 1----may step in to fill the vacuum but it's too soon to size up this operation. We'll have to wait and see how they handle truly new toolings like the just announced P-61.

In my book, the jets I'd most like to see----and those with a decent sales potential----are the F-80, F-84F, Mig-17, Mig-19 and Mig-23. I'd also be delighted to see a Piper Cub, Kingfisher, Duck, Tojo, Walrus, Fiat CR.42, ME-410, IL-2 and many other prop jobs. I could also name the SM-79, PE-2, Betty, FW-200 and more but these are risky propositions in the eyes of the Corgi and HM bean counters, so we'll have to wait on the Altaya-type lines for these interesting subjects.
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I have been looking for a "good" Su-25 now for a while, I have also been waiting for Witty to start some single seater SU-35 or SU-27's and there's one camo i have been wanting for a while now, if you have been following the Witty SU-27 threads im sure you have seen it by now.

In terms of 1/72 WWII aviation i have a few "demands" shall we call them (for lack of a better word:-

Japanese Fighters
- Ki 84"Frank"
- Ki 100 "Type 5"
- Ki 61 "Tony"
- N1K2/N1K2-J "George"

Italian Fighters
- CR. 42 Falco
- MC. 202 Falgore
- MC. 205 Veltro

German Fighters
- Ta 152

and aside from that i would like to see Gemini start producing some more spitfires from their great mould, Dragon produce some more P-51's and Fw-190's A through D finally it would be great if corgi could really nail their Bf-109G mould.

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MB326, and I would expect Falcon Models to get on board with this mold. Plenty of fantastic schemes, from aerobatic teams, to operational history. My vote, is to finally see a RAAF aerobatic team in 1:72 diecast.




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A No. 79 Squadron or 2FTS Macchi would be cool.
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Anything with a red star would be good oh and some dam Ukrainian schemes for heavens sake
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MIG-25 would be great. I'd be happy to see any of the modern Sukhoi's as well. I'd definitely be keen to see a good F-35 ().

What else...A F-15A or C from HM would also be great. Not happy with the quality of those released so far.

I think the time is right to see some quality 1/72 scale helicopter gunships. Unimax has done a decent job, but there's room for something of a higher quality, I think, and plenty of interesting schemes to do. The AH-64, for example, is flown by 11 different countries and there's plenty of interesting combat history to choose from.

I think HM will have to start looking at Russian airframes soon - they really seem to be running out of subjects in the modern (60s onwards) jets category. I'm really not ready to move into WW2 time frames yet.
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I think the time is right to see some quality 1/72 scale helicopter gunships. Unimax has done a decent job, but there's room for something of a higher quality, I think, and plenty of interesting schemes to do. The AH-64, for example, is flown by 11 different countries and there's plenty of interesting combat history to choose from.
Definitely in agreement there. As well as gunships, AH-64 and Cobra would be my main requests, would there be any chance of a long fuselage Huey, UH-1D?

Unsurprisingly it's Russian airframes that seem to be the main request, anyone any idea why HM have seemingly been so reluctant? There's quite clearly the market for such models.
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Ov-10 Bronco! Philippine Air Force please!
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The problem seems to be a great reluctance on the part of HM to go the modern Russian jet route, though there are indications that it might make a Mig-23 and, possibly a few more in the next few years.
Someone knows why exist this reluctance from HM ?
Sales of Mig-21 and Mig-15 are too low maybe ? strange, because many models have been made !

And frankly, a Mig-23 serie would a success... It's obvious !
if i had to choose between the newest HM F-15E and Mig-23, i would put my money on the soviet bird !!

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MiG-23 and MiG-27
Sukhoi T-50 and Su-34
Yakovlev Yak-130
Dassault Rafale C/M
SAAB JAS-39C/D Gripen

Those would be mine
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I want HM to pursue more helos like the AH-64 and Ah-1 and do the different variants for each. and. Also hoping we get a more advanced huey from their UH-60 mold. A USCMS UH-1Y or UH-1N would be so nice


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Old 06-23-2014, 10:33 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Hi guys, although being new to this forum I wonder, why still any manufacturer doesn“t make any of such an iconic and remarkable and historical and beautiful machines like

North American X-15

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Bell X-1
(preferrably in white)

in 1/72.

I believe both these planes must be simply mega-sellers...

Same for Sukhoi T-50 and Su-27 or Su-35S single-seater with same level of nose area accuracy as Witty“s Su-30, but here I believe that it“s just a question of time.
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Completely agree on those choppers. Again, you could make 10-15 of each and still not be having to look hard for amazing combat stories to go with each airframe - they've just been used in so many conflicts over the years - Desert Storm I and II, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc. The trouble would be in representing so many varieties of the UH-1 and AH-1 over the years without completely new moulds each time. Unfortunately, you'd probably need a liberal amount of plastic in there to account for all the different variations - basically the entire "roof" with the engine assembly for the UH-1 for example.

Don't forget the UH-64 - I still think there's room for a high quality Blackhawk and Pave Hawk, regardless of what is already out there.

As for the poor selling MIG-15s...Yes, there's a few still out there but they are odd ones - I'm a bit surprised that the captured USAF MIG-15 is still sitting on the shelves. Seems like a cool story behind that one but I guess it just doesn't fit in with collector's various themes. Anything Soviet or Russian sells fast though, and pretty well anything with a combat history. I'm not aware of the MIG-21s sitting around long - they seem to get snapped up quickly.
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For me, the one I would have to have is a good version of the F-117 Nighthawk. That aircraft was so dominant during the Gulf War it was crazy. Why more attention to it has not been given bewilders me. I really think Hobby Master could hit a homerun with this one.

Additionally, in 1:200 if I may, an excellently detailed AC-130 Spectre Gunship would be desireable. I know the detailing would require some plastic for the guns and such, and the option of wheels up would be good so it could be displayed as if in straffing mode. Perhaps now that Hobby Master is doing a Herc and Hogan has a couple new U.S. versions out there it may be coming.

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Unsurprisingly it's Russian airframes that seem to be the main request, anyone any idea why HM have seemingly been so reluctant? There's quite clearly the market for such models.
It's been said that HM was not happy with the sales numbers for their MiG releases. Unfortunately, sometimes forum popularity does not always reflect actual market reality.

To be honest, I'm not really interested in a MiG-17 or MiG-23. However, I would kill for a Tupolev Tu-128 Fiddler!



Other aircraft I'd like to see -

F-82 Twin Mustang



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Completely agree on the F-1117. The argument could be made that it wouldn't be popular enough as there's really only three (I believe?) colour schemes - Black, Grey and the US flag special. The same could be said for the SR-71 from CW, but it's been a huge success though...
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Also I'd like HM to release all their 1/48 toolings to 1/72... But I know it's just wishful thinking.
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Everyone will think I was crazy, but...
B1 Lancer and B2 Spirit.
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Also I'd like HM to release all their 1/48 toolings to 1/72... But I know it's just wishful thinking.
That would be a great idea! They would be such strong sellers in 1/72 than 1/48!
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One additional comment on the reason why HM, Corgi, etc don't gamble on Russian, Japanese and Italian models is the pretty well established fact that you need a good measure of buyer support from the "home country" to get heavily into such genres. Obviously the UK is a major buyers' market which accounts for perhaps 20-25% of total sales but generates twice that share for Corgi. In like manner, The U.S. is huge for HM and not too shabby for Corgi ( about 20-25% ). Moreover, both the U.S. and UK collectors are heavily into German stuff. As a result U.S., UK and German warbirds constitute the vast majority of diecast warbirds put out by "quality"manufacturers. But how big is the Italian market? And what about Russia and the old Warsaw Pact countries? Are there lots of diecast buyers in Arab countries who have used scads of Soviet jets in their endless wars? As for Japan, the main interest for new toolings of, say, a Tojo, would have to come from Japan, certain Asian countries and Australia, plus the U.S. Is that enough? Other factors arise. For example, do Japanese collectors have the space in their tightly packed dwellings to display several 1:72nd scale Betty, Sally and Nell bombers as well as a squadron of fighters and other WW2 types? A few, perhaps; many, I doubt it?

I have often suggested that Corgi or HM should gamble a little and try a Tojo, MC-202 or IL-2 to test the market and increase their distribution. So far, no dice.

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B1 Lancer and B2 Spirit.
Those would be huge!!! The B-2 would be nearly 29" wide.

I would love a good 1:200 B-1B Lancer to go with my Herpa B-2 Spirit. (I know the suggestion is 1:72, but...)
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B1 Lancer and B2 Spirit.
If you are handy and capable of building plastic kits, then there is B-1B in 1/48 scale done by Revell
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I would like a good Mig-29. It's also a safe bet because without too much hassle a manufacturer can get many versions without the need to alter the mold too much for other versions. Same goes up for an Early Mig-21 version. Plenty of schemes and not too much problem to go up to the Chengdu F-7P!
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As for Japan, the main interest for new toolings of, say, a Tojo, would have to come from Japan, certain Asian countries and Australia, plus the U.S. Is that enough?
What about the more modern Japanese jets already released by HM though. We already have the Kawasaki T-4, Mitsubishi F-1/T2 and Mitsubishi F-2. Gotta say as a Brit they hold no real appeal to me whatsoever but I'd be snapping up some of the Japanese and Italian WWII types that you mention or any of the Cold War USSR birds, Mig-23/25 etc.
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What about the more modern Japanese jets already released by HM though. We already have the Kawasaki T-4, Mitsubishi F-1/T2 and Mitsubishi F-2. Gotta say as a Brit they hold no real appeal to me whatsoever but I'd be snapping up some of the Japanese and Italian WWII types that you mention or any of the Cold War USSR birds, Mig-23/25 etc.
I, too, would be a major buyer of unusual subjects but the problem is that, using the each -tooling -must -make- a- profit or it's a no-go business model, you have to sell roughly 10,000-15,000 units at full price just to break even and 5000 more to start making a decent profit. At the present rate of about 1500-2000 models per scheme----to minimize dumping-----and no more than three schemes per year for the same reason, you can see why the traditional diecast companies are reluctant to gamble on what, to them, seems like a risky proposition. They'd rather go with safer, more sure fire selections. The problem is that they are running out of these, as well. The "solution" for HM, at least, has been to change scales----going from 1:72nd to 1:48th and, occasionally, 1:32nd, while giving up on new WW2 subjects---with a few exceptions.
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Those would be huge!!! The B-2 would be nearly 29" wide.

I would love a good 1:200 B-1B Lancer to go with my Herpa B-2 Spirit. (I know the suggestion is 1:72, but...)
Okay, let a less difficult request. A Mig-25 Foxbat and Mig-31 Foxhound.
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I sincerely hope the people who manufacture these models get to see the wonderfully imaginative suggestions by followers of this forum. All kinds of great ideas there and some of them could really kick-start my collecting interests again. I mean, how many more F-16s and F-15s do we really need? Did anyone mention the Douglas Skyray or Convair B-36? I guess we can live in hope...TW
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I'm not buying the "home country support". Corgi sell a large amount of their models on the UK due to a strange dislike of making foreign birds and poor selection of schemes. How many desert storm Tornados have they made? Those would sell for sure. You could make 5 RAF DS birds at least I'd say. What about all the different countries you could do with their their various chopper moulds?

I think anyone collecting or owningDS, Kosovo, Cold War, China, Iranian birds already would very interested in Russian MIGs and Sukhois. I really can't see how it's such a risk.
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The F-16 has been beaten to death , along with the F-4. Both great models but I like variety and theme. I am on pre order lists for HM F-100, HM F-15, CW F-14, WW Typhoon, WW SU-30 and god knows what else. Can we please have something new!?!
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I sincerely hope the people who manufacture these models get to see the wonderfully imaginative suggestions by followers of this forum. All kinds of great ideas there and some of them could really kick-start my collecting interests again. I mean, how many more F-16s and F-15s do we really need? Did anyone mention the Douglas Skyray or Convair B-36? I guess we can live in hope...TW
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B1 Lancer and B2 Spirit.
I agree! I hope some day we will see one in at least 1/144 scale.
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some interesting schemes can be done, and especially the argentin one with exocet... but too few countries users to be profitable !

Otherwise, i would be curious to know the sales figures of the F-CK-1 from HM !!
I never bought this model... and too few countries users to be profitable !

But the money is in Asia... my 2 last F-14 from century wings gone to china !
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I would like to see an AC-130 in 1/72. Might be quite big at 1/72 but it would be cool to see a C-130 mould in 1/72.
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I'll vote for MiG-17, Su-22, MiG-23, A-37.
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I sincerely hope the people who manufacture these models get to see the wonderfully imaginative suggestions by followers of this forum. All kinds of great ideas there and some of them could really kick-start my collecting interests again. I mean, how many more F-16s and F-15s do we really need? Did anyone mention the Douglas Skyray or Convair B-36? I guess we can live in hope...TW
They will probably do more P-51D's, Spitfires and FW-190's
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:51 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I'll vote for MiG-17, Su-22, MiG-23, A-37.

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I would like to see an AC-130 in 1/72. Might be quite big at 1/72 but it would be cool to see a C-130 mould in 1/72.
That would be pretty bad ***
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They will probably do more P-51D's, Spitfires and FW-190's

You've got right. I was going to include them in my "do we really need more of these" comment. Thanks...TW
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I would like to see an AC-130 in 1/72. Might be quite big at 1/72 but it would be cool to see a C-130 mould in 1/72.
I would create room for that
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*F-105G Wild Weasel
*F-82 Twin Mustang
*F7F Tigercat
*A3D Skywarrior
*EA-6B Prowler
*S-3 Viking
*E-2 Hawkeye

...apparently the P-61 is going to be made so I can axe that one off the list. Now for the rest of these. No red stars or European fast jets for me.
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Forgot about the EA-6B ( The Ravens ).....a must
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Completely agree! Totally forgot about the Prowler. Very much want to see that one! Right up there with the F-117 for me.
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Su-22/25/34, MiG-17/19/23/31/29

F-117

IL-2

Ov-10, A-37, any other COIN aircraft

1:72 AC-130, hells yes

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