TFP Scott. An interesting rather than exciting catalogue in my opinion. I'll probably end up with most of them, but can't help being a little disappointed. Again.
A few gems in there. I just wish Corgi's expected delivery dates were more accurate. They always seem to be off by 6-8 months. The Vulcan was due months ago.
No it wasn't ,always due June 2014, IMHO announced too early .
All I know is that when I pre-ordered it, a trusted retailer said it was due in December 2013. Looking back through old DA.C threads, it looks like other forum members were expecting it in December, too. Expected delivery dates, as posted on various retailer websites, now range from March to August. Don't get me wrong. I'm still very excited about this release. Corgi products are fantastic, and I have many in my collection. I'm sure the Vulcan will be worth the wait! Thanks to you and Skinner67 for sharing pre-production photos. Cheers. AB
Blackhawks, and maybe the Buccaneer for now - possible RAAF Canberra and Meteor later?
I'm happy that Corgi are open to modifying the Blackhawk mold, an Australian Army mold would be extremely popular in Australia.
The Canberra mold has also been dusted off by Corgi, and we can only hope for a RAAF model in the future, one of the most anticipated releases for Aussie and Vietnam collectors.
As for the Meteor, Corgi have already done a RAAF release using the F8 mold. The new F3 mold will hold little interest for RAAF collectors, as we only had one F3 in service for a brief time, hard landed in Darwin.
Three new toolings is underwhelming and/or disappointing? Wow! Tough crowd. Of course, we've all known about the Vulcan for quite some time so it seems old news now, but it's great to see a Corgi Meteor F3. For such an important historic aircraft with the RAF, it's surprising it took so long to see it. Looks good though!
As the avid fan of Blackhawks, I must get one of the UH-60 above.
Then, what we need from Corgi is: VH-60 Marine One!! That would be awesome!
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Leaked by a member on the Pub, guess what he was wrong
Wrong because it never happened or wrong because someone pulled the plug on tooling development money or the tooling was not ready??
Pity, it was the only inspiring model in the announcement.
Still the Canberra will be joining my Hanger......and we will see about the JU88. After the last DO17 debacle, I'll await and see if its a real scheme before pulling the trigger.
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Perhaps the Pooch learnt their lesson with the Stirling and Lancaster releases in recent times and will give the first release some breathing space before releasing the 617 SQN model.
Last edited by PBRStreetgang; 04-02-2014 at 04:22 AM.
The original leak on DHP included a Vulcan, possibly a 617 SQN Blue Steel equipped one. We know there is one cause (and a "Black Buck" equipped one) cause of the pictures of the developing tooling on DHP, which another member graciously and kindly posted on DHP.
As you have noted, the first release has been delayed, which why I suspect is the reason it has not been announced. I guess Pooch has learn't its lesson after the last couple of back to back Lancaster and Stirling releases.
As for Snipers comments, its increasingly clear there is a 1:72 Sunderland tooling, but it was taken off the CAT due to tooling issues. I am guessing there is a lack of development cash for this cat, probably as consequence of Hornby losses this financial year.
In my view this CAT, as I have alluded to previously, demonstrates a distinct lack of tooling and scheme development funding. This speaks of Hornby's amblivience towards the line. If that is the case and Hornby continues with its profitability problems, then I can see Hornby shaving off those lines that, to them, does not make them a fair quid. If the lack of development tooling money testifies to Hornby's attitude to AA.....then I suspect it will fit in that catagory.
Mind you, half glass full, if they sell the line and the toolings, then perhaps the buyer will have a more global outlook for their models.
The original leak on DHP included a Vulcan, possibly a 617 SQN Blue Steel equipped one. We know there is one cause (and a "Black Buck" equipped one) cause of the pictures of the developing tooling on DHP, which another member graciously and kindly posted on DHP.
As you have noted, the first release has been delayed, which why I suspect is the reason it has not been announced. I guess Pooch has learn't its lesson after the last couple of back to back Lancaster and Stirling releases.
As for Snipers comments, its increasingly clear there is a 1:72 Sunderland tooling, but it was taken off the CAT due to tooling issues. I am guessing there is a lack of development cash for this cat, probably as consequence of Hornby losses this financial year.
there is indeed a 1/72 sunderland- there is an announcement about it in this month's diecast collector mag, complete with 2 photos of prototypes of the casting! apparently it's scheduled for a 2015 release.
there is indeed a 1/72 sunderland- there is an announcement about it in this month's diecast collector mag, complete with 2 photos of prototypes of the casting! apparently it's scheduled for a 2015 release.
afraid not, without buying the mag online. do they sell it in oz?
OK, I thought as much as I had a bit of a look myself online.
As for the magazine, I believe so.....I'll have a gander next time I am in the Newsagent. Although it maybe a week or two before it reaches our shores.
Interesting that the Pooch is showing off the model prior to release. Not normally their go.
So, hopefully it will be in the September release announcement for 2015.
Thanks mate.
Oh, when you get a chance, would you mind posting your news on DHP mate.
there is indeed a 1/72 sunderland- there is an announcement about it in this month's diecast collector mag, complete with 2 photos of prototypes of the casting! apparently it's scheduled for a 2015 release.
Well lads, has anyone seen a colour picture of the JU88.
I am increasingly convinced Corgi has the colours (or at the very least the tone) incorrectly reversed with the grey being the predominate colour and not the brown on the upper surface.
Its not just modellers representation has the colours different that has me cautious.
I hate to say this but I am starting to think Corgi's models are looking rather dated...
I was thinking of getting the PR Spit but when I see the wing join gap and the gaps at the rear of the model, I was turned off instantly. I don't know why they couldn't just do a solid mould for a model as basic as these props or at the vey least, solid from nose to tail, it's like they did an over size assembly piece for the tail wing and the another peice for the tail wheel, unnecessary join lines and gaps everywhere at the tail
I hate to say this but I am starting to think Corgi's models are looking rather dated...
I was thinking of getting the PR Spit but when I see the wing join gap and the gaps at the rear of the model, I was turned off instantly. I don't know why they couldn't just do a solid mould for a model as basic as these props or at the vey least, solid from nose to tail, it's like they did an over size assembly piece for the tail wing and the another peice for the tail wheel, unnecessary join lines and gaps everywhere at the tail
HM get bashed quite a lot over the increased detail for 1:48 (or lack of).
What is never acknowledged is details like gaps, dihedral and overall shape (or all three aspects at once), all of which HM crap on Corgi with their 1:72 versions.....particularly gaps.
Then of course there is the argument regarding older toolings.
Apparently older toolings fobbed on the contemporary market don't deserve criticism because they are older toolings.
Its as ludicrous as it is misleading.
Still, if HM would learn to mottle................
HM get bashed quite a lot over the increased detail for 1:48 (or lack of).
What is never acknowledged is details like gaps, dihedral and overall shape (or all three aspects at once), all of which HM crap on Corgi with their 1:72 versions.....particularly gaps.
Then of course there is the argument regarding older toolings.
Apparently older toolings fobbed on the contemporary market don't deserve criticism because they are older toolings.
Its as ludicrous as it is misleading.
Still, if HM would learn to mottle................
Yes I've done my fair share of HM bashing I've always thought they did a way better job at joining the pieces but yeah, the paint work could be a lot better sometimes
Oh I understand that the old toolings were very good for the time but here it is almost 2015, by my guess some 10 years after the bulk of the older releases came out and the toolings haven't changed
Love Corgi but man it's hard to say yes to their current offerings.
And that is why I don't get why HM haven't pushed their 1:72 military line further, there clearly is still demand for pre jet models and I think more demand then 1:48
And that is why I don't get why HM haven't pushed their 1:72 military line further, there clearly is still demand for pre jet models
the "problem" is that HM has experienced "more success than you might think" with modern moulds including the F35 and F22 and of course we all keep feeding the beast with their irresistible, but let's face it, somewhat flawed phantom.
WW2 is the "long game" and many serious collectors I think are a bit tired and have over-large collections already. Even though it's an very good model, the A20 was a particularly poor seller for HM, though I think they should not have been surprised as it's a *relatively* obscure aircraft and they pushed out a lot of very similar schemes in a very short time (and the mould only supports a few schemes). Compare this to the F-35, which we all I think can agree is a "less than ideal" mould and yet has sold well, possibly in no small part because it was purchased by "other than usual diecast purchasers."
Fear not, however. HM 1/72 WW2 may have life yet, including some really important aircraft which I'll leave you to speculate on (but don't feel I can comment on specifically yet). It's far from a done deal, but certain wheels are in motion (though please also remember that HM's long rumored P-61 seems to have been cut off at the knees). What's more, HM may have been close to announcing a surprise 1/72 ww2 medium bomber, though right now I'm not sure if it will be announced.
Frankly I'm happy when ANY historic aircraft are released in 1/72 or1/48. The post-2000 stuff for me is the most boring. With 1/48, I am 'burdened' by a large franklin mint collection which I don't particularly feel the need to update. For example, if HM released a 1/48 P-38, I don't think i'd bother getting any. P-40, also, as while the FM P-40s arent great, I just can't see the upgrade being worth it for me personally. P-38, P-40, and Zero surely must be on the 1/48 agenda somewhere. Yawn for me, but it's probably the sensible choice.
meanwhile I'll harbor fantasies about all sorts of pre-war 1/48 birds that a younger, more idealistic hm might have released
Yes I've done my fair share of HM bashing I've always thought they did a way better job at joining the pieces but yeah, the paint work could be a lot better sometimes
Oh I understand that the old toolings were very good for the time but here it is almost 2015, by my guess some 10 years after the bulk of the older releases came out and the toolings haven't changed
Love Corgi but man it's hard to say yes to their current offerings.
And that is why I don't get why HM haven't pushed their 1:72 military line further, there clearly is still demand for pre jet models and I think more demand then 1:48
Gotta remember mate there is more than one WW2 1:72 manufacturer.
There is only one 1:48 manufacture. Whilst sales maybe smaller....it is made up for with the lack of competition. Also there is some efficiency in utilising the raw materials for 1:48.
That's so true, I do have a fairly large WWII collection and I've been on the fence about a A20
I'm not going to get my hopes up but anything WWII from HM would be welcomed, not so much the bombers but more the fighers
Corgi ? but you can hardly say they are that much competition when it comes to 1:72. Just using the mule as a reference, the Corgi section used to be many pages and now its like a third of what it used to be like and all the best stuff was gone long ago, it seems to me Corgi hasn't kept up with the demand in WWII but rather backed off
Don't get me wrong, I love 1:48 just as much as 1:72 but only as one off pieces for each airframe I like and I reckon most collectors will be like that also ??? yet there are tonnes of P-51 released now
WW2 is the "long game" and many serious collectors I think are a bit tired and have over-large collections already. Even though it's an very good model, the A20 was a particularly poor seller for HM, though I think they should not have been surprised as it's a *relatively* obscure aircraft and they pushed out a lot of very similar schemes in a very short time (and the mould only supports a few schemes).
Fear not, however. HM 1/72 WW2 may have life yet, including some really important aircraft which I'll leave you to speculate on (but don't feel I can comment on specifically yet). It's far from a done deal, but certain wheels are in motion (though please also remember that HM's long rumored P-61 seems to have been cut off at the knees). What's more, HM may have been close to announcing a surprise 1/72 ww2 medium bomber, though right now I'm not sure if it will be announced.
Dunno if I ever seen the A20 dump, apart from, maybe the French release. It is in fact my understanding that the A20 has actually done OK for HM, with no stock held in China.
The efficiency gained in the scheme that FTO has alluded too may have kept costs down and I believe William is rather satisfied with the success of the tooling. Its the efficiencies gained in the scheme that has allowed the smallish manufacturing runs of the tooling, which has helped things along. Although it should be pointed out that the standard scheme is somewhat mitigated with the number of nations represented in the tooling thus far.
Regardless, the next one maybe a bit different I believe.
As for the WW2 1:72. Thats an odd comment....its was only a little while ago what you alluded that there was rumour going around was 1:72 WW2 and HM were done and dusted.
At anyrate, as I alluded to in response to that rumour is that HM have not finished with WW2 (look at the 2014 releases), perhaps just slowed a tad in accorgdance with the reality of the Hobby. I also alluded to the Hudson/Ventura/Harpoon is a distinct possibility, although I have not searched for a definitive answer.
Although it must be said.....the type "Medium Bomber", does not fit into the Hudson's capability (no matter how many times the RAAF bombed the airfields at Rabaul with the damn thing ).
So speculation is fun.........sooooo, please HM get a B25 tooling out and about in your stable. If ever Corgi have butchered a tooling (other than the F86 Sabre) its the B25. The number of schemes still not done is just massive.
The only thing about the B25 tooling is:
a. The USAAF never operated the type over Europe in a bomb group, and
b. The tooling development must be based on the fact that UK RAF B25s based in the UK will not make any money. Corgi have released three already, so its done for the UK in my view.
Can't see HM releasing the three "medium" UK types not already done. Namely the Hampden, Whitley or Beaufort.
Although, perhaps a bit more possible, I still don't see HM releasing the early war US types like the Maryland and Baltimore.
Maybe earlier MKs of the A20. Which would be great...particularly if HM released it. But its a Light Bomber, not a "Medium" and at anyrate FTO thinks the later model tooling has sold poorly for HM.
Mmm, well what about the B26?? Very much a want with US collectors. I have one of FoVs B26s. Luckily I have no QC issues and its a rather beaut model. Bit restricted with the number of nations that utilised the type....but its a important type in WW2 that served in multiple theatres.
Then you have the Betty, S79 and other Japanese, Italian and Soviet types. I would wet myself if the S79 was released, but HM cannot mottle (believe it or not its one of those types that I would much rather Corgi released but its ludicrous to think Corgi have the initiative or imagination to release the type (or balls for that matter)). But the Betty is more likely, although less likely than a US type in my view. I should point out though....if HM have secured a distributer in Japan that is happy to share the risk...then a Betty is most certainly on the way.
So there ya go...plenty of possibilities......but whats probable is the question?? I guess it should be pointed out that type definitions should be taken into account. Some may refer to the Hudson as a medium....so really who knows??
But its fun to speculate.
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I have to say that the majority of my collection is 1/72 and only recently have been getting into 1/200. I've slowed down on 1/72 as I don't see much "new" out there right now. I was definitely please when the HM A-20 came out and now have a couple pieces, but I do agree most schemes are very similar so probably won't be getting many more, if any. I would love a good B-26, Betty, or maybe a Lockheed Hudson, but I think for now I'll be looking more at the 1/200 field for purchases.
People say that they'd love to see an SM79 and Betty etc, but anyone who's collected over the last decade will know that such models will just dump. There isn't a demand for such subjects that would span 4 or 5 schemes. I mean no-one has taken a chance on an IL2, so what chance these other obscure types. They're sticking to their bread and butter models at the moment and choosing ones that they know they'll recoup on. If the run size of this Ju88 is over a 1000 it'll dump as well. I like the scheme and a brave choice, but the Mediterranean Theatre isn't a popular one with collectors who are limited on space. This should've been done as a split run, 400 each of this and two other obscure schemes, but they've never liked the concept of split schemes, so don't see them starting anytime soon.
This just goes around and around every year, the only manufacturer that seems to have any common sense on this is Oxford. Their Blue Box range seems to have just enough run size to satisfy demand and leave a few left over for late comers. They've had a couple of lemonish releases, the Moscow 3 box hasn't done too well, but everything is not plastered all over the internet not shifting.
People say that they'd love to see an SM79 and Betty etc, but anyone who's collected over the last decade will know that such models will just dump. There isn't a demand for such subjects that would span 4 or 5 schemes. I mean no-one has taken a chance on an IL2, so what chance these other obscure types. They're sticking to their bread and butter models at the moment and choosing ones that they know they'll recoup on. If the run size of this Ju88 is over a 1000 it'll dump as well. I like the scheme and a brave choice, but the Mediterranean Theatre isn't a popular one with collectors who are limited on space. This should've been done as a split run, 400 each of this and two other obscure schemes, but they've never liked the concept of split schemes, so don't see them starting anytime soon.
This just goes around and around every year, the only manufacturer that seems to have any common sense on this is Oxford. Their Blue Box range seems to have just enough run size to satisfy demand and leave a few left over for late comers. They've had a couple of lemonish releases, the Moscow 3 box hasn't done too well, but everything is not plastered all over the internet not shifting.
The SM-79, I agree and I don't recall to many collectors making a serious case for the SM-79, regardless of our preferred manufacturer. But one has to admit, Italian Exotica just has that special something. The 1:48 MC202/05 is in the same boat I am afraid.
The Betty, I am not so sure. As I alluded to, if there is a Japanese distributer, who thinks he has a shot and is prepared to take some of the risk, I think a 1:72 Betty tooling is practicable, as it will garner some interest in the States (and Australia for that matter).
Will it dump in the UK....no doubt but the idea of a Betty isn't founded upon the UK market. If it was, then as you alluded to too, it would be a miserable failure.
But at the end of the day, in the context of the speculation that FTO has started, a Betty is unlikely.....as I noted in my original post on the subject.
Be great if I was wrong......mind you I would have an accident if a Hudson/Ventura/Harpoon was released.
Last edited by PBRStreetgang; 12-19-2014 at 04:48 PM.
Can we really say the WW2 market is oversaturated when so many major aircraft types have been seriously overlooked? I am of course referring to Soviet aircraft. As Grizz noted no one has really taken a chance on the Il-2 (together with Il-10 the most mass produced WW2 aircraft!), other than IXO. I would certainly buy a Yak series fighter, Pe-2 bomber as well.
There must be diecast model collectors in Russia who would be as interested as those in the Japanese market? If HM want to break new ground surely that would be a good starting place?
Corgi seem happy to bring out WW2 German 'eastern front' aircraft yet not their opposition! It simply amazes me.
There doesn't seem to be the same reluctance amongst manufacturers to bring out 1.72 soviet tanks?
Corgi March 2014 Aviation Archive Catalog
apparently it's scheduled for a 2015 release.
I've always thought they did a way better job at joining the pieces but yeah, the paint work could be a lot better sometimes
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