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Old 02-01-2014, 01:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So 2 Days ago Merit International announced the release of their 1/72 Scale Euro Fighter which is quite a surprise since none of us heard of this project. So I am here today to bring you some early pre-production shots on the 3 planned versions:

RAF Eurofighter Reg ZJ936 WTW-72-032-001

German Air Force Eurofighter Reg 3029 WTW-72-032-002

German Air Force Eurofighter Reg 3100 WTW-72-032-003

Now again I would like to remind everyone that these are Pre-Pro shots – therefore not everything is finalized. If you have any suggestions, please offer useful recommendations below and I can forward it to Witty Wings.

A little info about the model: Yes it is in 1/72 scale, it would be a Series 2 model which would have optional gear and weapons. I didn’t take any shots of the gear up position since a flight stand is not available yet. The canard wings are moveable – though I was warned to be very careful when removing from box since they could be fragile. And keeping with Witty Wing’s tradition – it also has moveable canopy, airbrake, and rudder.

Here are the pictures, I took most of the shots with WTW-72-032-003 (German AF, REG 3100):










A quick look at the two other versions:
German Air Force Eurofighter Reg 3029 WTW-72-032-002


RAF Eurofighter Reg ZJ936 WTW-72-032-001
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way too toyish ...
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Looking pretty good! They seem to have the general shape of the Eufi correct.
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Rear undercarriage is wrong way round wheels should be on outside.The canopy doesn't look right either overall not looking bad. Thanks for posting
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Not bad! I think the canopy can be improved, it looks weird from some angles
http://www.aereo.jor.br/wp-content/u...urofighter.jpg
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Not bad! I think the canopy can be improved, it looks weird from some angles
http://www.aereo.jor.br/wp-content/u...urofighter.jpg
Yes, on the model, there too much space between wings and body...
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I hope Witti to releases a spanish eurofighter
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You can bet on Witty really wanting to milk this mould, so Spanish should be arriving soon as well!
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Well its not bad. I would probably look into getting one of these.
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Attachment 90473

Quick picture of the Bavarian Tiger. Saw this one at the Phantom Pharewell () show at Fliegerhorst Wittmund last June. You just gotta love the detail that has gone into the tiger.

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You can bet on Witty really wanting to milk this mould, so Spanish should be arriving soon as well!
Good news for me. Thank you!
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About it looking too toyish - yes. But it is rightfuly so. Even the real plane looks like a toy. To me, the EF-2000 is one of THE ugliest planes ever built. EVER.
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Nice model brings back memories of many Farnbouroughs and RIATs...
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Not that appealling to me, even Hogan 1/200 m-series are better....
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Not that appealling to me, even Hogan 1/200 m-series are better....
I don´t like that model at all, but I like to collect all the spanish models, so i hope witty to release the spanish version altough it doesn´t look good
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Well, there is still a lot of time for corrections. This is a very early pre-production set of photos.

My biggest concerns so far (even tho I am not getting this model) are:
1) The gap behind the canopy and the gap at the brake are way too big (you can see the background through them).
2) The main landing gear should be the other way around: wheels outside, not inside.
3) The engine nozzles look horrible, any chance of making them one piece, not with the separate cones? It is visible that they dont fit at all.
4) The rear frame on the canopy should be less round (as seen here http://media.defenceindustrydaily.co...Austria_lg.jpg)
5) The stripe before nozzles on the underside should be aluminium, not light grey
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One solution to make it less gappy, is by doing away with the opening air brake. And if they want to give you the option, then the air brake itself should be a much tighter fit.
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To me, the EF2000 is one of the most beautiful planes ever build
So, i made some suggestions for improving the Witty release HERE (klick me)

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The shape is definitely better than the Pooch's...although it is a tiny fraction tubby (similar but better than the F3, which had the same problem).

Witty are pretty good with their gaps, so I suspect the gappiness issue will not present itself with the final product.

Regarding the landing gear is it possible they have made a hash in the assembly and simply placed them wrong. It would not be the first time a manufacturer had done something dum like that when displaying their models publicly.

I suspect most of us has done something similar, at one time or another.

I suspect that the toy like issue that some perceive is due to Witty's house style which often does not marked panel lines.

Dont think much of the schemes to start off with.

Is the grey right??
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The landing gear is the biggest issue for me. The other things, I could probably live with. Keep in mind, these are early pre-production shots.
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One obvious mistake is the colour of the tip of the nosecone. The whole cone should be grey, not with a Tomcat-like yellow point.
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One obvious mistake is the colour of the tip of the nosecone. The whole cone should be grey, not with a Tomcat-like yellow point.
Well actually the error is that the yellow point on the radome of the model is too large - it is there though.

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It looks promising. Can't be worse than corgi release. Looking forward to final product photos.
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SKF, how can I go about getting in contact with Witty/Merit ?
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The more I look at this the more I am hoping these corrections can be made. I'm looking forward to this. LOTS.
If they get this right it could be real awesome.
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I do not want to be offensive, but this is a cheap crap.
I do not understand why doesn't a manufacturer do accurate research work if they invest into a new mould. This thing is recommended for kids between age of 3 and 6...
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Well trying to be not to be offensive didn't work, EARLY PRE-PROS are early pre pros.
Try to understand what witty is trying to accomplish here. Maybe think a little before you lash out at someone or some people who are touching the waters a little.
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This is a cheap crap offensive or not


yeah right witty is trying to accomplish, accomplish what exactly, a model?
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Now again I would like to remind everyone that these are Pre-Pro shots – therefore not everything is finalized. If you have any suggestions, please offer useful recommendations below and I can forward it to Witty Wings.
^^ I think most people missed this important part of the story.
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With regards to the main landing gear, looking at the parts, it looks to be a very easy fix. Just flip the leg front to back and keep the gear cover on the outer side. Probably something I could fix on my own if Witty does not.
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This is something we should not have to do and they must fix it, like come on, they arent giving these models away for free, about time they bl00dy well make them accurately and to the levels that justify their price

Us collectors need to stop accepting this rubbish !!!!
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This is something we should not have to do and they must fix it, like come on, they arent giving these models away for free, about time they bl00dy well make them accurately and to the levels that justify their price
Noone is disagreeing with that. However, my post was more about how this isn't a completely unfixable issue (unlike the ribs on HM's F-35).

And given that these pics are for pre-pro models we shall see if Witty is listening or is already in full knowledge of the error.
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^^ I think most people missed this important part of the story.
Exactly, this thread is here to help improve on the model, not a bashing war. Put your shoes in the manufacturer perspective - they provide this chance to give an early look so we can give constructive criticism. If all you do is lash out at them, they get fed up and and don't do anything - you do more harm than good. You act like a 3 year old, you are going to get treated like a 3 year old.

So to those who just do nothing but bash on a model, really think about what you are doing to help this hobby.
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Oh, my dear fellow Friends...
I read and understood that this is an EARLY SAMPLE etc., etc. But, it has nothing to do with the real thing!
Why do they need us to suggest corrections, have not they seen the aircrat itself? - Let me note, this is a great offer from a company, that listens to collectors!
But, and again BUT, the thing they MUST do is a new mould with greater accuracy and detail!
If I did something like this at my work I would be fired the next day.
If we, collectors, accept it, they will not be forced to make more accurate models, only toys...
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after eating so much cheap hamburgers one will confuse garbage for food.

I can't believe the amount of garbage someone here is willing to take. And, its not only this model WW are indeed making these for a 3 year old. If that's the intended customers then no complaints here except for the price.
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All right then how about you go and work for a manufacturer and make a model. Try to complain then, because then you might understand what you're complaining at for now try to keep it to constructive criticism instead of being flat out rude. That is what will help this model, not being an asshat to everyone here.
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Well, being rude or something like that is far from my purposes. Although, my words may suggest it, let me make you sure this is not the case.
Simply, it is hard to accept that there are companies -not only WW-, who employing their best efforts -perhaps-, and come out with this kind of products. I know, it is only pre-production sample...
If I worked for a company like that, I would not do anything like that for serious collectors for that amount of money, unless if that would be made for kids.
The issue of positive, constructive criticism covers the whole model as I have already written, landing gears, shape of canopy, air intakes etc., etc., it has also been discussed above by other members.
As for the ages, if I was 3 and got something like this, I would be the happiest kid around, and could not stop running up and down in my house with it. Unfortunately I am a bit older, and I have seen and own far more accurate diecast models in this scale. So, it is not impossible to design and produce them.
I can only encourage WW to put it aside, and come out with something sharp and I am going to buy their products for sure!
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Noone is disagreeing with that. However, my post was more about how this isn't a completely unfixable issue (unlike the ribs on HM's F-35).

And given that these pics are for pre-pro models we shall see if Witty is listening or is already in full knowledge of the error.
Oh I wasn't bashing this particular model as I agree, it's a pre pro and many things can change but at the same time, there have been alot inaccuracies and sloppy QA floating around this hobby recently.

What I would like to suggest is contact these manufacturers, let them know your concerns in a constructive way and if they continue to make rubbish, don't buy the model, simple as that, they won't get the message if we all continue to buy their models just because it's the first ever one released or through some sort of ill deserved blind loyalty to a manufacturer, HM and it's QC issues springs to mind as well as it's poor attempt at the F-35, seriously if you buy that model, your only fueling their lack of respect for this hobby and its collectors.
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The point neither of you haters are getting is this: criticism is okay AS LONG AS IT IS CONSTRUCTIVE. Saying "omfg such crap" is not helping neither you, nor the others, nor the manufacturer. And here is a big one: No matter how big the group, that does the research of the real things, they are not likely to get it 100% correct. BUT, you see, on forums like this, there are people with passion for certain aircraft. And they most likely know more about the plane than a guy, that sits in his office, doing his job, but without passion for a certain aircraft. Thats when the passionate guy comes in, and gives them advice on what to do and what not to do. Thus making the mould better. As I stated before, I dont like the real Eurofighter, neither does my country use them, so I am not getting it. Yet, I tried to post as much CONSTRUCTIVE criticism regarding this particular piece as I can find. Why? Because this way, I can possibly help make the model better for people that like the EF. They, in return, might help correct some of the planes I like but they dont.

You see, especialy the users Ukrainian _Falcons and sarcasm, I have never seen any constructive criticism from them. Only the likes of "OMG SO BAD" "WHAT A CHEAP CRAP" and stuff. While you MIGHT be showing the manufacturer your attitude, I bet you, sooner or later the will stop posting pre-pros, they will stop caring about user opinions, but they wont stop making profit. If you guys want to bury our hobby by pissing every single manufacturer to the point where they either stop communicating and listening to us, or they just close the bussiness completely, go ahead. You are making a good point as to why to stop producing the models, if all the companies get is a bucket full of hate and **** every time they try to do something.

P.S. If you want to get the plane as realistic as possible, go ahead and buy a real one. That is your best shot at accuracy. Or you know, you can buy the plastic kit, spend weeks and weeks perfecting the plastic parts to the point where it is an exact copy of the plane in whatever scale you want, then you buy some accesories, like cockpit parts made out of thin and fragile metal, spend weeks putting the whole thing forever, then some more time spraying the camo on it, then some more time putting the decals on. So you know, like, put your own work to it. Like the people in the companies that make diecast models do. Not just go to a shop and say "Gimme that crappy 1/72 whateverplaneyoulike" and keep complaining about it. Go try that. For a change.

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The point neither of you haters are getting is this: criticism is okay AS LONG AS IT IS CONSTRUCTIVE. Saying "omfg such crap" is not helping neither you, nor the others, nor the manufacturer. And here is a big one: No matter how big the group, that does the research of the real things, they are not likely to get it 100% correct. BUT, you see, on forums like this, there are people with passion for certain aircraft. And they most likely know more about the plane than a guy, that sits in his office, doing his job, but without passion for a certain aircraft. Thats when the passionate guy comes in, and gives them advice on what to do and what not to do. Thus making the mould better. As I stated before, I dont like the real Eurofighter, neither does my country use them, so I am not getting it. Yet, I tried to post as much CONSTRUCTIVE criticism regarding this particular piece as I can find. Why? Because this way, I can possibly help make the model better for people that like the EF. They, in return, might help correct some of the planes I like but they dont.

You see, especialy the users Ukrainian _Falcons and sarcasm, I have never seen any constructive criticism from them. Only the likes of "OMG SO BAD" "WHAT A CHEAP CRAP" and stuff. While you MIGHT be showing the manufacturer your attitude, I bet you, sooner or later the will stop posting pre-pros, they will stop caring about user opinions, but they wont stop making profit. If you guys want to bury our hobby by pissing every single manufacturer to the point where they either stop communicating and listening to us, or they just close the bussiness completely, go ahead. You are making a good point as to why to stop producing the models, if all the companies get is a bucket full of hate and **** every time they try to do something.

P.S. If you want to get the plane as realistic as possible, go ahead and buy a real one. That is your best shot at accuracy. Or you know, you can buy the plastic kit, spend weeks and weeks perfecting the plastic parts to the point where it is an exact copy of the plane in whatever scale you want, then you buy some accesories, like cockpit parts made out of thin and fragile metal, spend weeks putting the whole thing forever, then some more time spraying the camo on it, then some more time putting the decals on. So you know, like, put your own work to it. Like the people in the companies that make diecast models do. Not just go to a shop and say "Gimme that crappy 1/72 whateverplaneyoulike" and keep complaining about it. Go try that. For a change.
I agree with you.
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Um, can you, in citation from my post, tell me, where I used a rude word about you, or any user? Calling someone hater is not rude AFAIK, especialy since he behaves like that.
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:44 AM   #43 (permalink)
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not you my friend, I meant that sucker calling himself and ace
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:09 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Exactly, this thread is here to help improve on the model, not a bashing war. Put your shoes in the manufacturer perspective - they provide this chance to give an early look so we can give constructive criticism.
I already made some suggestions for a first improvement of the most obvious issues at the Diecast Hangar and postet a link to the thread here (as i didn't want to flood every forum with my rather large posting), but i'm not sure if it was really noticed by most of the members here and there.
But i really hope, the constructive comments made by other memebers and me will find their way to WittyWings to improve this model in a way that will satisfying those who really want this model for their collection.

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Old 02-03-2014, 10:42 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Yea I will send the feedback to Witty Wings, thank you for your constructive criticisms
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I think Hobby Master's disaster of an F-35 really frustrated people and a lot of us are disappointed with the escalating costs and seemingly reduced attention to detail. But in the case of the F-35, HM missed the mark so badly that there was really no recovery. From these early pre-pros from WW, it's definitely not too late to make the appropriate corrections.

*Fix the landing gear
*Close up the gaps (especially behind the cockpit, on the airbrake, and where the wings join)
*Reduce the size of the yellow point on the radome
*Revisit the engine detail

Overall, it's got potential. I'll be interested to see the final product.
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Lol I've never bashed a model like that so yeah, cool story bro lol

I actually want accuracy and quality in this hobby but I am not an expert in this field, that is why I don't make specific suggestions and hope that some with the knowledge WILL make that suggestion and not go out and buy it anyway just because it looks cool enough to be passed off as looking like the aircraft.

I asked whose the best person to contact at Witty but that's fallen on deaf ears so yeah, tried to help but not getting any here.

And I haven't even bashed this model but getting blamed for it LMAO

All I'm saying is, if you want to continue getting inaccurate, poor QC models, keep buying them without a question. You have to be kidding that in this day in age, a company has to be TOLD how to make money
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Old 02-03-2014, 02:53 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I was not talking about you bashing this particular model, but the way you commented on the F-35 was a little unnecessary, dont you think? Yes, it is a bad mold, no question about it, but you did no constructive feedback on that. Oh and let me tell you something. In game inustry, there is this thing called alpha and beta testing. Where the companies ask people to play their game, tell them what is wrong so they can fix it. In electronics, a small group of people related to the company is given the upcoming product to test it, and give opinions about it. Same goes for car industry. Or almost any industry you can imagine. It is not about telling them how to make money, it is about telling them what they can do to improve their products.
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:15 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Well Sarcasm you used exactly the same language towards Witty so i used exactly the same type of language back, only fair right.
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I think Hobby Master's disaster of an F-35 really frustrated people and a lot of us are disappointed with the escalating costs and seemingly reduced attention to detail. But in the case of the F-35, HM missed the mark so badly that there was really no recovery.
You hit the nail right on the head. Lets leave it at that, we all want this hobby to be the best it can be.

Mikael, sorry but I was mostly joking about the F-35, though I don't like the plane or the model, I do wish it could have been handled better by HM
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