A-Holt

Hi chaps, been a bit busy lately but I plan on steadily building up the fledgling collection from here on.

Had a quick look back over some of the advice you gave on the old thread and I've decided on my parameters as it were, considering the available space.

So, I'm looking to fit two conflicts on each shelf of my display cabinet at the moment, focusing on the top shelf first which will be with any luck, Vietnam and the First Gulf War.

Need to look it up but I'm 99.9% sure that the infamous SR-71 - Ichiban flew combat sorties over Vietnam from Kadena afb when the Blackbirds were the only aircraft permitted beyond the 20th parallel. Providing she did she’ll be the central point of the 'Nam display. I picked up HA2110 Thor’s Hammer during the week so I'm hoping you blokes can give me your take on the best of the iconic SEA camo birds on offer to build from there Thinking obviously a Phantom, then a 105 Thunderchief, after that I'm not sure.

First Gulf – I've got the Corgi Bucc and HM's F/A-18 so I'm looking to build from there now if you could again fire off some suggestions, HM are going to be producing the F-15 soon aren't they? That’d be one spot reserved. With any luck Corgi’s 1:72 Vulcan will prove hugely successful and they’ll do a Gulf War Victor down the line too, one can hope

Look forward to hearing from you anyway guys.

gospodin

Just to be a nit-picker, SR-71s never flew combat sorties...they were unarmed recon birds.

61-7976 was the first 'Bird to fly a recon sortie over Vietnam in '68.

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JetA1

There are several excellent Vietnam era camo models from Hobby Master that I can recommend:

HA3102 F-102A, 509th Fighter Interceptor Squadron, Da Nang, RVN, 1968
HA1027 F-104D “Snoopy Sniper,” USAF, 435th TFS, 8th TFW, Udorn RTAFB, Thailand 1967-68
HA2510 F-105D, 355th TFW, 44th TFS, "Polish Glider", Don Kutyna, Takhli, Thailand, 1970
HA1934 F-4E “Steve Ritchie", USAF, 58th TFS, 432nd TRW, Udorn RTAB, Thailand, July 1972

I’d also recommend some USN/USMC birds for your collection to break up the 3 tone camo theme, including:

HA1966 F-4B VMFA-323,"Death Rattlers", Chu Lai Air Base, Vietnam, USMC 1967
HA1960 F-4B VF-111, USS Coral Sea "Sundowners", USN 1972

I’m sure other members will chime in with their own favourites.

Skinner67

Vietnam

CW F-8
HM A-4
HM A-1
Corgi Sea King
HM F-4: you need many of these, or at least one USAF and one USN

Desert Storm

CW A-6
CW A-7
HM F-4 WW
HM A-10
HM AV-8B

That should be enough to get started.

A-Holt

Has CW not produced a Vietnam era A-6?

A-Holt

Not something I was aware of, makes sense though - thanks

Out of curiosity, was there a term coined to differentiate sorties which flew for instance just outside the USSR's air space over Norway etc and those flying through hostile air space i.e beyond the 20th parallel?

keygrip

Base on their website, they don't have a Vietnam era A6. Their Sunday Puncher VA 75 was a replica.

I am still waiting for a Vietnam era or A6 from 'Flight of the Intruders'.

sarcasm

which one??????

yonny777

These are the planes and helicopters I've collected so far for my Vietnam collection. see attached doc if i've pressed the right buttons??!!

yonny777

These are the planes and helicopters I've collected so far for my Vietnam collection.
try again, see link
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yonny777

Try once more
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Ukrainian_Falcons

You can add F-117, EF-111 and F-111, F-16 and F/A-18 to the Gulf War list. HM have a Gulf War F/A-18 already, the rest are yet to be made by anyone. HM have a EF-111 but thats not a Gulf War bird, it operated during OSW

Skinner67

There are multiples available for most of these listed.

CW F-8: 601628 Paul Speer or the other Checkmates, Hunters 601499
HM A-4: Not sure about some but these served in Vietnam:
------HA1403, HA1408, HA1413, HA1416, HA1420,
HM: A-1 All, except HA2905, HA2908, and HA2909
Corgi Sea King: Chink 69
HM F-4: too many to list

Desert Storm

CW A-6: 910362 Nighthawks
CW A-7: 782969 BlueHawks
HM F-4: HA1980, HA1982, HA1951,
HM A-10: HA1301, HA1302, HA1305, HA1308, HA1312,
HM AV-8B: HA2614

I'm sure I missed more than a few, but the info is easily found by Googling the company and part number and reading the info on The Flying Mule website or visiting HMC:

index page for all Hobby Master Military aircraft and accessories

sarcasm

thanks for the reply. I read somewhere that early version of HM A-10s had a crooked hor. stabs.

gospodin

There is one Vietnam HM F-111, 3 F-100s and several Huey helos that were made.

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17275

You can include Miss Liberty, F-111F http://www.hobbymastercollector.com/...HA3007-4FP.jpg to your list of Desert Storm veterans.

Also The Chief http://www.hobbymastercollector.com/...HA3010-2FP.jpg is A Desert Storm vet, although HM's rendering is pre-Desert Storm though.

Skinner67

Yes. I heard they had the drooping stabs until HA3810 and later. Not sure of the exact release where they fixed the issue but I have HA3811 with no problem.

I'm not sure how I forgot the Hun and Aardvark. There is also the Da Nang F-102 in SEA camo.

sarcasm

I got the Chief but skipped the miss liberty due to its wings error. I hope the ruptured duck doesn't suffer from such errors. If HM decides to do a new and correct miss liberty version then I'll be the first to pre-order. That one is too precious.

17275

Hobby Master 1/72 Air Power Series HA3811 Lockheed F-16CG 88-0471421st FS Black Widows Balad Air Base, Iraq, 2006
According to F-16.net this one is also a Desert Storm vet.

17275

Photo: 67-0034 (CN: 79) United States - US Air Force (USAF) General Dynamics EF-111A Raven by Anthony Noble - JetPhotos.Net
Hobby Master Air Power Series 1/72 HA3001 - General Dynamics EF-111 Raven 42nd ECS, RAF Upper Heyford, UK 1989 "LET EM EAT CROW"

And how could I forget this beauty.

A-Holt

Did she take part in Desert Storm (and in that scheme)?

I must admit and it seems strange but I've never been a huge fan of the F-111, the EF-111 however looks fantastic

Surprised HM hasn't released Captain Brent Brandon's aircraft, quite an interesting incident with an Iranian Dassault Mirage F1 during the first night of Desert Storm, it followed him to the deck, striking the ground if I remember correctly after Robert Graeter in his F-15 had come to the EF-111s assistance and got a lock.

Doubt they'll do it now though if they ever would have, three EF-111s would presumably be too many.

eugenevh

I have a book which was published by Aerospace called Gulf Air War Debrief. And indeed it lists 67-0034 as one of the 5 aircraft from the 42ns ECS/66th ECW which took part.

Along with many, many other aircraft too. Son't know if this scheme is correct, but the serial number at least I can confirm.

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sarcasm

it was an Iraqi Mirage F1, and months ago I asked HM to do the Brent Brandon but they released the one with batman instead.

A-Holt

Not sure where I pulled Iranian from

Brent Brandon's would surely have been a better release.

17275

That one was 66-0016/UH. The only F-111 with a confirmed 'kill".

Concerning the "Let 'm Eat Crow", I don't know if HM's rendering is exactly how it took part in Desert Storm, but that would just be in the details (like the nose art). Overall camp and 42nd AMU/ECS markings would have been on its tail.

sarcasm

the model by HM does not say ECS on its tail but it does say 42nd AMU. Would you happen to know the exact tail art on the 66-0016/UH, and other special markings of course.

17275

http://milaviate.files.wordpress.com.../66-0016_1.jpg

You can see some mission markings and a camel nose art type of print on the splitter plate.

Although I don't have a picture of the complete aircraft directly after Desert Storm, I don't think it had any tail marks any other than the standard UH code etc.

I don't know when the change in tail markings for 67-0034 was changed from AMU to ECS. Might have been before, during or after Desert Storm.

Comco

There's a pretty cool (although very 90s) documentry segment on the combat engagement with Brandon's EF-111, for those that haven't seen it, it's the first "dogfight" in this video -

Dogfights of Desert Storm - YouTube

A very interesting incident and definately worthy of HM's attention in another year or so when they're ready to do another Raven. And for the record - I don't think it's ever too many when they're doing aircraft with historical combat experience, personally. I think this would sell well regardless of there already being 2 EF-111s out there.

BTW - the most crazy thing from that documentary for me is Brandon's description of what it feels like when they activate the jammers. He says that the hairs literally stand up on the back of your neck and you hear the aircraft crackling. That. Is. Insane. hah.

Actually, thinking about it - It's possible HM are being very savvy with holding off on Brandon's EF-111. If they did a release close together with Robert Graeter's F-15 that was credited with the Mirage F-1 kill when their F-15 mold is ready, that would be a great pair to put together on the shelf!

Comco

BTW - HM made a pretty big mistake (unless it's notable for something I'm not aware of...) selecting 71-1392 for their Philipines based F-4E.



The virtually identical 73-1199 and 72-1407 actually took part in Desert Storm. Missed opportunity there.

sarcasm

Alright gentlemen, looks like we got HM interested. Please provide pictures or links for the EF-111A James Denton & Brent Brandon. We will apply to Hobby Master for the other jets when the HM F-15C comes out.
Thanks for the link, it was the full document.

Edit: I would appreciate your efforts if you all demanded HM to add the cooling fairings to this one we are requesting

Comco

Well, if anyone is close to Cannon Air Force Base, New Mexico, I believe it is now there on static display - http://goo.gl/maps/8yzo4

Tail number is 66-016. There's a couple of really old, low res photos here - 66-016

Still digging around trying to find decent photos of it...

Edit - Here we go...



The following photo was taken in May 1990.


(Original link with more info)

sarcasm

they all say "direct link not allowed". can you just copy the photos and attach them here?

A-Holt

Apparently this is 66-0016 during Desert Storm as Richard has said.

And here's the man in question - Capt. Brent Brandon, presumably it's his aircraft he's with but the two don't seem to match up?

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sarcasm

we need a good detail of the camel picture and the markings shown here. The nose art is black jack.

General Dynamics F-111E/F and EF-111A

sarcasm

A-Holt

Is this the camel image you are referring to?

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sarcasm

that could very much be it since it looks a lot like the one on Desert storm. But it says Desert Shield. May be it was just painted with the wrong operation name.

A-Holt

As far as I can gather the photograph was taken on arrival back in the US, one would assume it was just never changed after being applied during Desert Shield?

It can be seen on the far right of this image.

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sarcasm

yes that looks pretty much like it. Now we need a good shot for the marking right under the windshield of that picture you provided and those tiny figure under the pilots canopy, what are they ?
also that insignia in red, black, white, and tan. is there a close up?

Edit: Ok under the windshield it says "desert Storm" and "Rockin Iraq" with the same picture of the plane and another figure which I can't see clearly.

A-Holt

Are they lightning bolts through a radar antenna?

The 390th ECS Insignia doesn't appear to be on 66-0016 in the Kevin Wheeler photograph Richard provided

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17275

During Desert Shield/Storm, this Sparkvark flew with the 42nd ECS, 20th TFW. So not with the 390th ECS. I am not sure when the 42nd moved States-side, but I remember they were shipping back some EF-111s during Summer 1991 already. I did see one or two at Upper Heyford already with CC tail code.

sarcasm

yes that's exactly what I thought. Its a side view of a radar with its base and a lightening bolt going through it. That insignia looks like a wild boar, is it?

Skinner67

You may get more input on this subject by starting a new thread as it's gotten rather specific regarding this Raven.

We discussed this bird with William almost 2 years ago, but he never expressed interest. The upcoming HM F-15 may be a good thing to get this model made, but I wonder how long after the E is released before we see a C.

We had some decent photos of this bird back then, but many of mine were deleted from Photobucket. If you start a new topic, you may get more people involved. Just a suggestion.

sarcasm

good suggestion skinner, thanks. But I am a bit confused. Its seems that the aircraft has different marks on it in different times. The one I showed above don't seems to be it because it says MO (mountain home I think). The two pics shown by A-Holt (plane next to pilot) has one different marking from the last picture by A-Holt. So which one should it be

Skinner67

I'm pretty sure it had the CC tailcode.

I recall that being one of the issues against this release. There were many pics of 66-0016, but differing opinions on what it looked like and what markings it had before, during, and after ODS.

Here is a pic during Op Northern Watch in Oct. 1994:



http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1233084/

Finescalejunkie

Iconic bird? Try getting the John Mc Cain's scooters

17275

Guys, in 1990/1991 this Sparkvark was assigned to the 42nd ECS, 20th TFW. Not to Cannon AFB (CC) and not to the 366th TFW (MO). The emblem you see left (in front) of the Star-and-Bar is the 42nd ECS squadron emblem in a very toned down version.The picture I showed in an earlier message (the 3/4th shot) was taken in 1991 in the Gulf.

You can look this jet up in aviation databases etc. to see it was assigned to the 20th TFW.

And yes, markings do change over the years.

17275

20th Fighter Wing History

This is a nice read on the 20th TFW history, the story of the Mirage-kill included.

sarcasm

ok, I did feel that the first picture you provided was the accurate one. But now we need
(1) a large picture of the very toned down 42nd ECS emblem
(2) What exactly was printed on the tail of that aircraft in that picture?

the wild boar emblem must have been added later.

Comco

I wonder if one of the mods could copy out the 66-0016 into its own thread? There's a bunch of good info in here that would be better placed in its own section. I'd also personally like to see this thread's topic - Desert Storm birds continue. It's already identified a few models to me that were not immediately obvious as DS participating aircraft.

Here's my current Desert Storm collection -

HA1417 - The Free Kuwait Air Force A-4KU Skyhawk. Still quite common and cheap. Not sure if this one has been mentioned here yet. Rounds out the coalition forces. Pretty cool story with these birds. From hobbymastercollector.com -
An air force in absentia. fighting to take back their homeland. That's a pretty cool story and certainly tipped the scales to convince me pick her up.


CW's A-7E Corsair II, VA-72 Bluehawks (782969). I'm really divided with this one. The model itself is a beauty, but that ugly Desert Storm letting on the top really spoils an otherwise very cool scheme, IMHO. Oh well. I'd still like to see a more standard low-viz Navy grey scheme. I believe a few such birds flew in DS.


HA1980 - F-4G Wild Weasel. Great scheme and is a fantastic contrast to my SEA camo RAAF F-4E.


HA2614 - AV-8B "Ace of Spades". This one is becoming reasonably hard to get and for obvious reasons. It's a great looking bird.


HA3501 - F/A-18C AA/401, VFA-81 "Sunliners" - scored the USN's first kills of Desert Storm taking down an Iraqi MIG-21.


HA3003 - EF-111 Raven, 42nd ECS, RAF Upper Heyford "Let 'Em Eat Crow"
To be honest, I grabbed this one as the only EF-111 on offer back a year or so ago, accepting the fact that it was not actually a DS bird but was "representative" of one. Turns out I've learnt through this thread that it, in fact did fly in DS so that's a nice pleasant surprise. Thanks for that info, eugenevh et al.


The CW A-6E Intruder is definitely on my list to get soon before it runs out. And one of these days I'll bite the bullet and pick up a Desert Storm CW Tomcat for whatever obscene money is being asked, as it's looking less likely they'll be releasing any more. I'm aware of 729025 (Jolly Rogers AJ200) and CW-001600 (VF-1 Wolfpack NE100) (not a big fan of this one) - are there any other DS Tomcats from CW?