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Old 01-12-2014, 10:16 PM   #151
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The lines all over the panels just don't exist on the actual aircraft,
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There are indeed raised panel accents on the real aircraft however I agree, not the the extent highlighted on the mould.
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Old 01-12-2014, 10:38 PM   #152
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The test aircraft after which the panels are modeled on the HM piece are actually recessed and or painted, not extended out of the body. There are no access panels on the wings, as seen on the top of the model. There are also no raised panels or lines on the elevator or rudders of the F-35. The bottom is also much smoother as pictured in my previous post.
Sorry, but either this was copied off a poorly made kit or some one is not very familiar with the actual aircraft. it looks horrible as such and frankly, I am shocked Hm went with this as it is.
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Old 01-13-2014, 12:00 AM   #153
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The test aircraft after which the panels are modeled on the HM piece are actually recessed and or painted, not extended out of the body. There are no access panels on the wings, as seen on the top of the model. There are also no raised panels or lines on the elevator or rudders of the F-35. The bottom is also much smoother as pictured in my previous post.
Sorry, but either this was copied off a poorly made kit or some one is not very familiar with the actual aircraft. it looks horrible as such and frankly, I am shocked Hm went with this as it is.
Actually regarding your first observation, it is actually raised (a little) on the real aircraft, not recessed as you mentioned.

And there are access panels on the wings, granted this photo is a F-35C wing, but it is also present on the F-35A.

and since the panels are raised in the front of the aircraft, it is also raised on the tail as well

Regardless the Panels are here to stay.
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Old 01-13-2014, 01:17 AM   #154
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It's meant to be flushed but designed to be slightly recessed rather than stick out. The Edwards aircraft had the panels highlighted only for maintenance and testing.





The panel without the final operational surface coating shows some of the detailing of the wing, this was seen ONLY during the test phases for maintenance.




Once operational, the wings are coated to make it as smooth as possible, both to eliminate parasite drag and for stealth. Even with the final test flights, the coatings were added to the wing surface.

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Old 01-13-2014, 04:38 AM   #155
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First let me say that SuperKungFu is absolutely correct. I was going to point out later in my HM F-35 review that pictures of the actual aircraft that HM is releasing actually show slightly raised panel lines all along the fuselage. In the pictures available online this slightly accented and made all the more obvious by the way the photos were shot in broad daylight.

Also Aki where did you find those photos? Those photos are they of the pre-production model (which I have in my possession now) or of the final production model about to be sent to stores?

Honestly I'm going to open up the pre-production model tomorrow and post some shots of it beside an HM F-22 Raptor. In my eyes the raised panels present on the pre-production model aren't as bad as people are making it out to be. Also if you guys haven't noticed already, raised panel lines are actually present on the underside of the HM F-22 near the engines.
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I don't care what their reasons were. The end result is a dog.
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Old 01-13-2014, 06:40 AM   #157
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The new pictures seems slightly better than before...

I'm still going to wait until I see the actual product.

I think the top part is ok... It's the bottom half that seems to be very defined.

I specially dislike the seam line on the bottom of the nose cone.

ps. Sachiel, once you get the aircraft, could you please post a picture without all the missiles? (I display my stealth aircraft with all the bay shut)
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Old 01-13-2014, 09:53 AM   #158
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I guess you will have to judge for yourselves if the panels stick out or not. Members can look at my posted photos as the example.

In "my opinion" this is a case where those working on the project have been caught, know it and just are going to hunker down and say whatever they have to say to make a flawed project go forward.
That management mentality always amazes and frustrates the heck out of me to see.
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I'm pretty sure the photos aki posted are the final production model . If people are worried about the joint lines, the f-22 has similar problems, a little white glue and paint will make it look a lot better and seal it off
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I'm pretty sure the photos aki posted are the final production model .
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I don't think they are official final product photos - no sign of Hobby Master watermark.

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I am still mesmerised that it is actually possible to make a pig even uglier.
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I don't care what their reasons were. The end result is a dog.
I totally agree.
The raised panel lines are a farce!
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:00 AM   #163
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looking forward to seeing the pics... hoping this comes out soon, and at least looking decent... I noticed they have added another version to be coming out this year as well...
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Wat up rpedro...SKF did a review on it and read what some of the forum members thought about it. Check it out here:

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...fb-ha4401.html

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Old 02-06-2014, 11:16 AM   #165
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Wat up rpedro...SKF did a review on it and read what some of the forum members thought about it. Check it out here:

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...fb-ha4401.html

thanks for the heads up!!!
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Old 02-10-2014, 04:20 PM   #166
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/32/dqjp.jpg

Have a look at this picture, originally posted on here: Scramble Messageboard • Information

Although it is of a F-35B, it shows how smooth the surface of the F-35 is. Makes a nice comparison with the HM model.
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:07 PM   #167
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Its really a shame because all the panel lines you see with the Edwards piece is the area that uses a special tape seal to cover over
the line of screws for the panel supports on those areas. It is about as thick as two pieces of thick duct tape on top of each other.
Scaled down, the HM piece is just way too off on the porportions.

HM was smart to bring this to the market, but it was a poor decision to go with the poorly copied model. It opens the door to another
company stepping up and taking the niche away from them as well the poor pr this model garners. If I were at HM, at this point, I would make
another mold, do it right, and sell off this one to another company such as Unimax.
Still get your monies out of the production mold and knowing now what they should, do it correctly.
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