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Old 10-26-2013, 03:01 PM   #51
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Good to hear! Thank you Sachiel!
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I going to buy two of them and put a Nellis decal set on the tail and such. All you have to do is airbrush the tail and then stick on the decals. You can get those decals from Historic Aviation I believe.
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I had the CW USAF Ohio guard aircraft on order but I think I am going to drop it in due to my budget and that I would like to get the HM IDF A-4 and this F-35 model.

I am a little worried about the first model as HM seems to have issues with them on occasion. The F-22 had the seam issues and I just bought a HM F-22 HO that needed the mixed glue/paint repair to seal up some bad open cracks due to poor fittings. I hope HM really pays attention to this model on it's first release with the quality control.
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I'm certain there will be a Nellis F-35. Couldn't imagine it not happening.
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I will still buy the Edwards one but this is the one I want HM to put out!
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When will this be out???
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Looks like it should hit distributors in the US in February.
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Looks like it should hit distributors in the US in February.
Went ahead and preordered mine... thanks!!!
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Default Four view artwork added

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check out the metal casting, looks real neat

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Hey guys. After speaking with William and another staff member at HM, I had this updated 4 view artwork prepared to reflect the corrected changes to the lines on the nose cone. HM is currently working to remove the lines present on the nose cone to give the F-35 that sleek stealthy nose that the F-22 Raptor has. The new drawing featured below has done away with the extra lines on both the top and bottom of the nose cone.
Hopefully the changes seen in the below drawing will be reflected in the final production model.

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Looking good...keep fighting with them Sachiel
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Looking good...keep fighting with them Sachiel
Wouldn't say fight, rather coorporating?
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I'll buy everyone they make. No brainier!:envy
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With the F-35 about to (or likely to) enter service with so many countries, perhaps we will see some "projected" schemes.

RCAF 410 "Cougar" Squadron would suit me just fine!


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With the F-35 about to (or likely to) enter service with so many countries, perhaps we will see some "projected" schemes.

RCAF 410 "Cougar" Squadron would suit me just fine!


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That would be nice Dan, even if Canada passes on this aircraft. It needs all the variety that it can get.

This will be a first release that I can pass on. The raised panel lines, even though recently revised still have me on the fence until I see a few production photos. Even then, I'd prefer an EG bird.

Also, thanks for all the effort Sachiel. It is really appreciated.

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Here is another future scheme posted by Av8torjoe on another forum.

Israeli Air Force F-35B (although it should be an "A" model I believe).

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The "new situation" between the USA and Iran may result in some immediate procurement decisions by Israel, including the purchase of additional Lockheed Martin F-35s.

Israel is worried about a so-called "smiles campaign" recently initiated by Tehran, which according to Israeli sources has all but removed the option of any future US military action in response to Iran's nuclear program.

According to Israeli sources, the nation will follow an initial deal for 19 conventional take-off and landing F-35As with a request for at least another 20 of the stealthy combat aircraft, in a move which would give it sufficient volume to equip two squadrons.
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Any update on this piece?

South Korea has confirmed to buy 40 F-35A in the future.

S. Korea to buy 40 Lockheed F-35s, further 20 jets still open | Reuters
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I will wait for 4402. this will look good with a raptor!
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too bumpy on the surface, otherwise looks fine. Like the threads on the tires
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Oh God. It looks even uglier than the real one. Does it have chicken pox? What's with the warts all over it? That is one bumpy, ugly, plane. Yuck.
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The joint seam line along the upper part and bottom part of the model (from the nose area to the below cockpit area) keeps bugging my eyes...
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Oh God. It looks even uglier than the real one. Does it have chicken pox? What's with the warts all over it? That is one bumpy, ugly, plane. Yuck.
Agreed 100%! Anxiously awaiting the F-15. 👍
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Glad to see how an ugly aircraft can be made into an even uglier beast...
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The joint seam line along the upper part and bottom part of the model (from the nose area to the below cockpit area) keeps bugging my eyes...

Egads!!! Considering the work that I have done at least the top portion of the nose cone is completely smooth and doesn't have any lines going through it. I'm glad to see that this model has no dorsal fin communications antenna on it. Thankfully HM took that detail out. However, I totally agree with the negative sentiments from you guys about the seam lines stretching from the nose along the mid-section length of the model. If they could release a diecast F-22 without any issues I don't see how this could have happened with the F-35?

Looks like I'll be giving a call to William sometime via email.
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It look decent but the undercarriage looks way too bumpy with the paneling, noting like the real aircraft. Which is a real shame as I like to display my models in flight mode. As much as I want one of these, I think I will wait for the moment on it. When I do, looks like I will need to get out the glue and paint and start sealing up the joints as well.

Stealth is smooth, so as to not reflect radar. This model design would light up a room. They did a good job on the F-22, this model needs the same treatment for recessed paneling.
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The paneling on the real thing is smooth, here it looks welded on top of the jet. And that seam line, boy, reminds me a lot of Corgi models that I passed on just for that reason.
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By far, the worst 1/72 Hobby Master release I've seen. Even the joint lines on the wings and horizontal stabilizers are distracting because they look like an extension of the body joint line. It's just exaggerates everything else. What a horrible looking model.
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Look how seamless HM's F-22 model looks by comparison.

No visible joint lines on the body or the wings. Very smooth detailing on the top of the fuselage:


You can see that the joint lines are actually below the "ledge" on the body which give the model much more grace:


I'll be the first to admit that I think the F-35 is an ugly plane to begin with, but HM's model missed the mark by quite a wide margin on this one. It's disappointing because clearly there was a lot of hype about this model. They should have taken more time to get it right.
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Totally agree. One of the ugliest planes if ever seen. HM should've waited a couple more years to see of the F-35 is even worth all that money each government is wasting...anyways not a good choice at all. Should've knock out the F-15 or even a Super Hornet or F-117.
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Wow... what happened... It looks terrible.

If they don't fix all the problems that you guys said above I'm not even going to bother

purchasing. Now I'm kinda glad that they didn't make the B variant first(if ever).
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To quote Arnie, You're one ugly mother****er lol

Seriously what the hell were HM thinking ? All the other manufacturers must be thinking now, HM are welcome to be the first with a F-35 with an effort like that. This is one model they should have gotten right before even announcing it.

Also HM should release the F-22 the shadowed the Iranian F-4 that came close to a Predator drone in September this year. The only time an F-22 kind saw action.

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Also HM should release the F-22 the shadowed the Iranian F-4 that came close to a Predator drone in September this year. The only time an F-22 kind saw action.
Hard to do as it would appear that we don't know which serial number plane and which base it was from that was involved in the incident. But yeah I was quite worried about the panel lines on the top part of the fuselage. It seems my worst fears have been realized. Hmm.....
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Hard to do as it would appear that we don't know which serial number plane and which base it was from that was involved in the incident. But yeah I was quite worried about the panel lines on the top part of the fuselage. It seems my worst fears have been realized. Hmm.....
Ah yes, good point, maybe an unmarked F-22 perhaps, it would still be better then a F-35
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It would appear that the general consensus amongst collectors online is that the F-35 is generally an ugly looking plane. HM's new diecast F-35 unfortunately makes the plane look even uglier with some questionable design choices that were integrated into the model. Everyone here appears to be criticizing the raised panel lines on the plane. Let me remind you that I had a little chat with William at HM a few weeks ago.

William (Hobby Master response on raised panel lines on F-35):

"The F-35 tooling raising panel is deliberately made higher and more protruding. The paint which is used on diecast models is thicker than normal modelling paint. Once the model is painted, such protruding will be less prominent."

Again your answer as to why the raised paneling appears on the HM F-35 is above. The raised panel lines on the HM F-35 was no accident and was done intentionally. I recently found this CGI image of the F-35 that has similar raised panel lines and the same exact weapons load out configuration on the wing pylons as the HM F-35.







I would assume somebody at the company liked the look of the CGI model and decided to exaggerate the raised panel lines as well. Under certain lighting conditions the paneling designs on the F-35 do look raised but HM`s F-35 just takes that to a ridiculous new level. It just boils down to the diecast manufacturer's creative liberties taken when designing these models. While everyone here in the hobby appreciates the accurate details present in a military diecast model, at the end of the day diecast models are still a work of art based upon the real thing. No diecast model will ever be perfect.

You can take a look at HM's F-16 that has done immensely well with collectors on the market. I had my reservations about that model too due to the deep indentations and deep panel lines on the dorsal side of the model. A real F-16 would have a clean smooth surface with some markings where the panel lines would be on HM's F-16 model.







Its the same with the models from Century Wings and other diecast manufacturers as well. Deep panel lines on the F-14s, SR-71s, Harriers and more and nobody thus far has really made a big deal about it. The only thing is unlike conventional military aircraft, a stealth aircraft like the F-35 should have a smooth look. I would rather prefer small indentations and lowered panel lines on HM's F-35 model than raised panel lines. In fact I would wager that HM's F-35 is the only diecast aircraft model in 1:72 scale where raised panel lines are done to this extent on the entire model. It still baffles me why the creative/model design team decided to go with raised panel lines....

And then there's the issue with the way the two halves of the model are joined. I have no idea why the engineers at HM have said there is no other way to join the model together. The screw hole connection on the underside of the nose cone is particularly glaring and an eyesore.

Despite these issues, the rest of the model looks fantastic. Honestly I have no issues with the rest of the model at this time aside from some small paint details with the night time/nocturnal lighting strips on the upper fuselage and tails of the model. The model is everything I could have hoped for and believe me I have been waiting for this model for 2 years now. I have done my best to communicate with HM to change a few things.

a) To address the raised panel line issue
b) To remove the communications antenna on the backside of the model
c) To minimize the panel lines on the nose cone both topside and bottom

By all accounts what I love about HM is the fact that they listen to us the collectors who buy their products. Everything I have asked them to change with the model has been implemented with the sole exception of addressing the raised panel lines present on the model. HM led me to believe that the thicker than normal paint applications on the model would solve the raised panel issue. Evidently not. At this point it may be too late in the game to address the raised panel line issue before this model goes into mass production. I personally believe that would be a shame, as the model is very very very close to being another stellar release from HM.

I've already sent another message to William about this issue. Fingers crossed something can be done.... Either way worse comes to worse I`m probably still going to buy the model, but I would wish that the raised panel lines could be done away with.

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reminds me to CW error with their late A7. HM better get this done correctly or they will loose customers for that model
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Actually now that you point it out, their F-16 is pretty bad as well. Also is it just me or does the front and back parts of the model look like different shades of dark grey ?

And that join line across the back, very bad.

Looking back at Dragon's F-16, I reckon they did a pretty good job, the panel lines are hidden well.
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I agree HM F-16 does look pretty bad in some ways but I would absolutely rule out dragon's. Dragon F-16 is not an F-16 at all in many ways. It looks more like SU27 on the front part (to say the least). HM's mistake with their F-16 is with the way they painted the model. From others and my own experience, HM is not spraying enough paint on these. Perhaps that's what that F-35 needs. Planning ahead for a thick paint is the smart thing to do, but in this case it didn't do the trick, could there be a shortcomings ?
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I always thought the F-35 a very very ugly plane.
But I will buy it the same way, because is a 5th generation plane.
The panel lines is somewhat complex. In my opinion, they should not be so deep in most models, because of the scale of 1/72. But most of the reviews are favorable to deep panel lines. I do not usually discuss panel lines, because it is a subject that varies according to personal taste. However, I have seen several companies being harshly criticized because of soft panel lines. I believe that Hobby Master took this into consideration when making the model.
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Yup. I'll wait for at least the second release.

1) Horizontal stabilizers are shaped incorrectly. Notice the tips are narrower on the end of the real thing.
2) What's with the aft and top center canopy lines?
3) The exhaust nozzle is too small.
4) The seam lines, from nose to wing are very noticeable. Maybe they will fit better on the production models, but they really catch my eye. The wing joints are quite prominent on these photos as well.
5) The wing root leading edge is too angular, the real aircraft has a gradual radius.

I don't have a big problem with the raised panels. Just like recessed panels, they are there for scale effect. I would have preferred that they simply tampo them on, but I can live with it.
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If people start complaining about panel lines, then we must all quit this hobby I think, they were there on plastic kits as well ands are there to remind us that it's a scale representation of an actual airplane.

But what HM has done with the F-35 borders on the ridiculous. It looks like the panels have been welded on top of the airframe, much like how the current MLU F-16s look that have their structures reinforced... HM could have stuck with panel lines to get the right effect, however thick the paint is going to be, it will still be an eyesore.

I wasn't going to be buying an F-35 anyway but this model does the the product a huge disservice, however the decisions by HM are being defended.
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Old 11-30-2013, 11:37 AM   #96
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Personally, the panel lines don't really bother me.

I would like to remind everyone about how it progressed with Hobby Master's F-86 Sabre. When the first pre production photos appeared I (and everyone else) was horrified with the huge gap where the tail joined the fuselage). It turned out that the Pre Pro was a developmental model and was used to test manufacturing procedures at the same time in order to save time and expense.

In the end the F-86 turned out great. I will wait to see final product photos of the F-35 before passing any judgement.

By the way, if anyone thinks the F-35 is ugly - it could have been far worse. The losing contender for the Joint Strike fighter was Boeing's F-32. Now that would have been ugly!

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I would rather wait for an operational aircraft and perhaps some mistakes can still be improved or corrected with reference to the first model.....just like what happened the the F-22
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If people start complaining about panel lines, then we must all quit this hobby I think, they were there on plastic kits as well ands are there to remind us that it's a scale representation of an actual airplane.

But what HM has done with the F-35 borders on the ridiculous. It looks like the panels have been welded on top of the airframe, much like how the current MLU F-16s look that have their structures reinforced... HM could have stuck with panel lines to get the right effect, however thick the paint is going to be, it will still be an eyesore.

I wasn't going to be buying an F-35 anyway but this model does the the product a huge disservice, however the decisions by HM are being defended.
reinforced panels, that's exactly what they look like. They should have applied that to their blk 40 F-16 model. These exaggerated panel lines might be because of their unwillingness to apply the weathering. Weathering brings out the panel lines when they are finely made, but when the company decides to skip weathering they might choose a deeper panel to avoid too clean a surface?
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Personally, the panel lines don't really bother me.

I would like to remind everyone about how it progressed with Hobby Master's F-86 Sabre. When the first pre production photos appeared I (and everyone else) was horrified with the huge gap where the tail joined the fuselage). It turned out that the Pre Pro was a developmental model and was used to test manufacturing procedures at the same time in order to save time and expense.

In the end the F-86 turned out great. I will wait to see final product photos of the F-35 before passing any judgement.

By the way, if anyone thinks the F-35 is ugly - it could have been far worse. The losing contender for the Joint Strike fighter was Boeing's F-32. Now that would have been ugly!

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Wow...just wow.
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Ha ha ACPilot, always the optimist!
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