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Old 02-18-2013, 11:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I want to know why hm does not release the 1/72 bomber

It makes me angry to buy the low-quality products of corgi company for more than 150 dollars.

gaps of parts division are the worst.

There're so many products that HM doesn't release.

B17 B24 B25 B26 etc..
Wish the products are released.
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Can I add F-117 into the wishlist?
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I want to know why hm does not release the 1/72 bomber

It makes me angry to buy the low-quality products of corgi company for more than 150 dollars.

gaps of parts division are the worst.

There're so many products that HM doesn't release.

B17 B24 B25 B26 etc..
Wish the products are released.
From what I've heard, among the reasons why HM doesn't do bomber aircraft is because Corgi makes them and HM does not want to compete or participate in a subject matter where they don't think there is enough of a market. Also, it's been said that the toolings/machinery HM has isn't capable of handling large aircraft in 1/72 scale.
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This has been discussed before.

Currently Hobby Master does not have the ability to construct four engine heavies (B-17, B-24, Lancaster, Halifax) in 1/72 Scale. The size is just too big for their current factory set up.

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I imagine HM will eventually venture into larger aircraft at some point, but not anytime soon.... After all, they did make a 1/32 scale Dauntlass... I can bet that would easily outweigh a 1/72 B-17. One can only remain hopeful though!
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The reasons have been discussed but Corgi have released quite a lot of them with more to come. Very risky to compete with that, not to mention the secondary market which is quite large due to stupid manufacturing runs a few years ago.

HM have gone into 1:144, as proven by the B24. Its the scale that they have decided to utilise for WW2 Four Engined heavies. I cant see them changing it in the short to medium term
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B-2 would be awesome. By HM, CW, GA... :-) And a B-1 would be nice too.
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Well I have to disagree with the OP as I think Corgi's Heavies are cracking models. They may not get the schemes 100% accurate all of the time, sometimes the colours are off, but shape wise they're pretty spot on. Who on earth would ever have produced a Halifax or Stirling for $150? HM are just like Corgi, sometimes they get it right, sometimes wrong. Their 1/144 B24 retails for nearly $100 in the UK (and according to other forums HM are a subsidised company!) , so I don't know why people think a 1/72 version would be cheaper than Corgi and having seem one in the flesh I'm not sure they'd do a better job.
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Well I have to disagree with the OP as I think Corgi's Heavies are cracking models. They may not get the schemes 100% accurate all of the time, sometimes the colours are off, but shape wise they're pretty spot on. Who on earth would ever have produced a Halifax or Stirling for $150? HM are just like Corgi, sometimes they get it right, sometimes wrong. Their 1/144 B24 retails for nearly $100 in the UK (and according to other forums HM are a subsidised company!) , so I don't know why people think a 1/72 version would be cheaper than Corgi and having seem one in the flesh I'm not sure they'd do a better job.
I have to agree with Grizz. Most of Corgi's heavy and medium bombers are outstanding. There are a few problems with some like the mold lines on the B-24s, but it wasn't enough to stop me from getting one.

HM has thrown their heavies into the 1/144 pot, which I don't care for or agree with, but they are following their business plan.

The larger models just don't appeal to a large base of customers. I think HM's foray into 1/32 with the Dauntless was a one-time deal. There are just a lot of variables when straying very far from your cash cow. Hobby Master's seems to be models roughly 12 inches in size.
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I think Corgi's problem is their release schedule. Take the first Stirling, you couldn't get that for love nor money on release in the UK and then a year later they release 2 within a month. Crazy considering the large run sizes.

But back to topic. It would be really interesting to see what HM would do with a 1/72 Heavy, but I skinner's right, they'll stick to 1/144 for those. Looking forward to the Boston/Havoc they're bringing out soon.
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I'd love to see a number of bombers mentioned here already released in 1/72 by HM or CW - The F-117, the B1, B2...Those would all be must buys for me...I'd happily hand over $150 for a B1 or B2 if they were of the quality we've come to expect from those companies (after some saving, of course! ).
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I would love an F-117 by either HM or CW. Those are the two companies I feel could do it justice. Would look darn good sandwiched between my F-22 and my SR-71 models.
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Ultimately it's a question of making profits. It has been widely reported or speculated that many of Corgi's "heavies" are money losers and this, more than anything else, is the reason why HM and others are reluctant to take chances on this genre. In fact, many mediums are also problematical for the same reasons. While the SM-79, Betty, PE-2, etc. are all famous warbirds, the bean counters at companies like Corgi, HM, Gemini, etc. can't figure a way to make a profit on them----at least in the larger scales---1:72nd and 1:48th.
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Ultimately it's a question of making profits. It has been widely reported or speculated that many of Corgi's "heavies" are money losers and this, more than anything else, is the reason why HM and others are reluctant to take chances on this genre.

It's probably even harder for HM because they also need to "upgrade" their facility. I assume that would require a huge investment if they decide to produce 1:72 heavy bombers.

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I still think one of the big obstacles is run size. If they reduced them to between 500-1000 then you'll create a feeling that you've gotta get one straight away as the chances of them hanging around are small. This would also mean they could produce more schemes to satisfy all markets. At the moment most people wait to buy heavies as they know they'll be reduced at some stage when the stock can't be shifted. Look at all the Dornier and JU88's, all bar the BoB 88 were reduced by 50% within 6 months. Same with HM, haven't paid full price for anything they've produced as there's just so much out there.
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I still think one of the big obstacles is run size. If they reduced them to between 500-1000 then you'll create a feeling that you've gotta get one straight away as the chances of them hanging around are small. This would also mean they could produce more schemes to satisfy all markets. At the moment most people wait to buy heavies as they know they'll be reduced at some stage when the stock can't be shifted. Look at all the Dornier and JU88's, all bar the BoB 88 were reduced by 50% within 6 months. Same with HM, haven't paid full price for anything they've produced as there's just so much out there.
I think a smaller run would benefit the manufacturer as well, for the reasons you stated. It's just the lower runs would increase the price due to packaging, production shifts, and who knows what other factors.

I haven't been in the market very long, but I haven't seen the recent heavies being discounted at all. The best deal I saw was the Middleton Sterling at 50% off with a $250 purchase. If you waited for MacRoberts Reply to be discounted, then you probably missed out. I didn't pay close attention to that one, so I may have missed a sale or two.

Several 1/72 HM jets sold out quickly. Polish F-16, Luke AFB F-5, 1st Canadian Voodoo, 1st CF-188. There were no discounts on those unless you got one on pre-order.

I tend to use the pre-order discounts on ones I know that I will want, and I think will have popular appeal. I waited for the Herpa B-2 Spirit of Ohio to be discounted, and now I can't find one at retail price. On the other hand, I'm very surprised to see Chico still available.

I guess if I really want it, I don't take a chance, and usually pay 10-15% below retail for it with the pre-order discount.

Btw... if you see any Dornier and Ju88's at or below retail, let me know. I got one Ju88 at $60, but the rest bounced right back up in price.
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I get how HM is seeing things but its us as collectors that should be heard. Like all of Corgi 1/72 heavies, they have all sold out well. It's a great idea to have a variety in scales. I've seen the HM B-24 1/144 in person and my reaction was "Wow really". For the prices of that particular one is the same as let's say a F-4 Phantom in 1/72 which is crazy high. I realize it costs money to make new molds but you have to spend money to make money, and I think HM is growing and will grow stronger with more 1/72 "heavies" in their inventory. I know I want to see a 1/72 B-17, C-47, C-17, B-52, and a B-1 all in 1/72 if you'd ask me, all from HM. HMs quality and details are second to non to see different molds will attract more collectors.
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I get how HM is seeing things but its us as collectors that should be heard. Like all of Corgi 1/72 heavies, they have all sold out well. It's a great idea to have a variety in scales. I've seen the HM B-24 1/144 in person and my reaction was "Wow really". For the prices of that particular one is the same as let's say a F-4 Phantom in 1/72 which is crazy high. I realize it costs money to make new molds but you have to spend money to make money, and I think HM is growing and will grow stronger with more 1/72 "heavies" in their inventory. I know I want to see a 1/72 B-17, C-47, C-17, B-52, and a B-1 all in 1/72 if you'd ask me, all from HM. HMs quality and details are second to non to see different molds will attract more collectors.
It doesn't make great business sense for HM to consider a B-17 or C-47 in the 1:72nd scale, even if it could make better versions than Corgi, when so many so inclined collectors already have the latter's models. I think that the same thing goes for the B-24. Also, the B-52 would be gigantic in this scale and, as has been suggested, HM may not have the capability to make such large models. The more fundamental issue, however, remains the matter of profitability. If a company like HM feels that it can't turn a profit on 1:72nd scale biggies---as seems to be the case----it is unlikely to head in this direction even if such a move might help stimulate new interest in the hobby.
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It doesn't make great business sense for HM to consider a B-17 or C-47 in the 1:72nd scale, even if it could make better versions than Corgi, when so many so inclined collectors already have the latter's models. I think that the same thing goes for the B-24. Also, the B-52 would be gigantic in this scale and, as has been suggested, HM may not have the capability to make such large models. The more fundamental issue, however, remains the matter of profitability. If a company like HM feels that it can't turn a profit on 1:72nd scale biggies---as seems to be the case----it is unlikely to head in this direction even if such a move might help stimulate new interest in the hobby.
And there are now discussions in other boards whether even the current crop of 1/72 diecast models are generating enough profits. If the current 1/72 models aren't making enough profit, how can one convince them to make even bigger models?
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Can I add F-117 into the wishlist?
So agree with this. A 1:72 Nighthawk is way overdue.
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I wonder what sort of dollars are required for a company like Hobby Master to build a new mold? I was kicking the idea around the other day about using a crowd funding site like Kickstarter to convince HM that a popular aircraft like the F-117 was viable. Hell, we could contact them to do a run for us if we raised enough capital through the entire diecast collector's community...
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I wonder what sort of dollars are required for a company like Hobby Master to build a new mold? I was kicking the idea around the other day about using a crowd funding site like Kickstarter to convince HM that a popular aircraft like the F-117 was viable. Hell, we could contact them to do a run for us if we raised enough capital through the entire diecast collector's community...
This idea has been floated before on many forums. So far, none have born fruit because not enough members are willing to gamble and pay up-front and, also, because, few can agree on exactly what plane, mark and scheme they want. A typical diecast warbird needs about 10,000 unit sales to break even, after which the profits are generated by additional schemes. No manufacturer is going to get excited if a forum comes up with 75 or 100 would be buyers. There's just not enough reason to believe that sufficient additional sales will be forthcoming.
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This idea has been floated before on many forums. So far, none have born fruit because not enough members are willing to gamble and pay up-front
There is little gamble with Kickstarter and the like. You set a financial goal and if you don't meet it by the closing date, no money is taken from your account. It's basically a zero risk transaction from that point of view. The only risk would be that the person running the Kickstarter doesn't actually use the money for what they say they will, but that's a risk in just about anything in life...

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and, also, because, few can agree on exactly what plane, mark and scheme they want.
Selecting a particular aircraft is the biggest hurdle, for sure. But that's not impossible to do. It's not a reason to not do anything, at any rate.

My idea is to fund the development of the mold but that the manufacturer would maintain the rights to it. Schemes etc can be covered later. The idea is that a company like HM provide a cost for producing a new aircraft, the community assists in paying for the development of the mold etc and then HM can create an entire line of products by producing various schemes off it. So effectively, they are getting more profit off this particular model than they would get off one of their own as the development costs have been partly (or fully depending on the success of the funding campaign) offset...

The upshot for the community is that they can see an aircraft released that otherwise would not be. I'd happily hand over some extra cash to see an F-117, as an example, if my options where to a) never see it made or b) pay a bit extra and have one in my hands.

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I'm new to all of this, but I thought CW, by way of example, only produced 2000 units?

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No manufacturer is going to get excited if a forum comes up with 75 or 100 would be buyers. There's just not enough reason to believe that sufficient additional sales will be forthcoming.
The idea is that it is a bit of free market research for the company. Eg, if 1000 people are willing to put in $25 for a total of $25,000 just for the opportunity to for the development of an F-117 model to happen at all, there's probably a lot more people who would happily hand over cash for the real thing.

And I'm not suggesting it is just organised through DAC's forums - If you bothered to run such a campaign, you'd approach every hobby magazine, website and retailer you could to get help promoting it.

Maybe I'm totally clueless to the costs involved in building these things, but I reckon this sort of scheme could potentially work to everyone's advantage if done properly and if the right aircraft was selected...
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There is little gamble with Kickstarter and the like. You set a financial goal and if you don't meet it by the closing date, no money is taken from your account. It's basically a zero risk transaction from that point of view. The only risk would be that the person running the Kickstarter doesn't actually use the money for what they say they will, but that's a risk in just about anything in life...



Selecting a particular aircraft is the biggest hurdle, for sure. But that's not impossible to do. It's not a reason to not do anything, at any rate.

My idea is to fund the development of the mold but that the manufacturer would maintain the rights to it. Schemes etc can be covered later. The idea is that a company like HM provide a cost for producing a new aircraft, the community assists in paying for the development of the mold etc and then HM can create an entire line of products by producing various schemes off it. So effectively, they are getting more profit off this particular model than they would get off one of their own as the development costs have been partly (or fully depending on the success of the funding campaign) offset...

The upshot for the community is that they can see an aircraft released that otherwise would not be. I'd happily hand over some extra cash to see an F-117, as an example, if my options where to a) never see it made or b) pay a bit extra and have one in my hands.



I'm new to all of this, but I thought CW, by way of example, only produced 2000 units?



The idea is that it is a bit of free market research for the company. Eg, if 1000 people are willing to put in $25 for a total of $25,000 just for the opportunity to for the development of an F-117 model to happen at all, there's probably a lot more people who would happily hand over cash for the real thing.

And I'm not suggesting it is just organised through DAC's forums - If you bothered to run such a campaign, you'd approach every hobby magazine, website and retailer you could to get help promoting it.

Maybe I'm totally clueless to the costs involved in building these things, but I reckon this sort of scheme could potentially work to everyone's advantage if done properly and if the right aircraft was selected...
Depending on the plane being replicated, diecast molds----actually it takes many molds to produce a complete warbird model-----can run to $300,000 or more. As a rule, the diecast company using the multi-scheme marketing method, turns out the first few schemes at a loss and needs to see that a profit will be generated as it approaches the break even point in unit sales ( approximately 10,000 ). Small amounts of "seed money" while, perhaps welcome, are not enough to get the ball rolling on new toolings.

This approach might work if a vendor with an established customer base was interested in commissioning a special edition of a new scheme based on an already available tooling----- but there are problems. First, the Chinese factories are concerned mainly with large volume orders, so they drag their feet and get sloppy when an order comes in for a 1000 item run. That's small potatoes for them. Second, diecast companies with existing toolings, don't make a lot of money on special orders featuring limited runs and they, too, may drag their feet of fail to properly supervise the project even if they take it on.
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Getting everyone to agree on a tooling and schemes is a not as easy as it seems.

Its been discussed twice that I recall, both times on the older DHPs and neither got passed a clear consensus on what to buy and really as Epap has alluded to not enough showed interest.

I think this reflects the optimism on the buying power of the forums......at times its a tad overrated,....for larger military scales anyway.

I think the expectation on HM delivering a 1:72 biggun does not take into account HM's history with multi-engined WW2 Aircraft.

The A26 was a huge disappointment, even though its as good as tooling as one can expect. The ME 110 is not as refined (but less gappy) than Corgi's efforts. HM can't mottle (generally not a big issue for Allied Bombers). The Beau is another pretty good tooling (poor landing gear) that has been let down by some bizarre scheme choices (HM still have not released a early Fighter Command variant ).

I am not convinced any of them has made their development (tooling/schemes) manufacturing money back. I'll let Epap crunch the numbers.

Sorry Ed.

So really a WW2 Heavy is a bridge to far.

My advice is, when the A20 is out and about, collectors should well support, or it maybe the last fray into WW2 and WW2 multiples by HM.

The A20 is a pretty important model in my view.

As for HM's efforts into 1:144, I do wish they got into Cold War Bombers instead of WW2.

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HM could possibly bring out a B-66 or a Skywarrior.
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as announced....corgi is doing the Vulcan....in 1/72.....talkin about big bombers....why not also other heavies from the USAF....errrr, its not British......lol
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To be honest I don't think that's really a very fair criticism, for WW2 heavies it's only recently with the Stirling that British heavies outnumbered US and that's only been because the B-29 is so damn big .

I think one monster (the Vulcan) is enough for the moment while they stray into unknown territory, if it sells well which it looks like it will then one would assume they may seriously consider doing the B-29 and maybe even in time something like the B-47 (which would even as a Brit, be a must own in 1/72)?

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To be honest I don't think that's really a very fair criticism, for WW2 heavies it's only recently with the Stirling that British heavies outnumbered US and that's only been because the B-29 is so damn big .

I think one monster (the Vulcan) is enough for the moment while they stray into unknown territory, if it sells well which it looks like it will then one would assume they may seriously consider doing the B-29 and maybe even in time something like the B-47 (which would even as a Brit, be a must own in 1/72)?
I'm thinking a real winner from Corgi would be the B-58. It's smaller than the Vulcan, and a very beautiful aircraft also. But realistically, if the Vulcan is a hit, then the next logical aircraft would be the Victor, then the Valiant to complete the famous V-bomber series.
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Old 05-27-2013, 09:49 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I'm thinking a real winner from Corgi would be the B-58. It's smaller than the Vulcan, and a very beautiful aircraft also. But realistically, if the Vulcan is a hit, then the next logical aircraft would be the Victor, then the Valiant to complete the famous V-bomber series.
Because of its dimensions, the B-58 would be a fitting 1:72nd scale subject, but I fear that HM will not go in this direction as the next logical step---in the sense of a thematic series-----is the B-47 and later, the B-52 and B-36, both of which are too big for the scale. I think that Corgi's heroic venture in the V bomber arena will likely stop at one plane and HM is probably going to wait to see how Corgi fares before taking a leap that is that risky.
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I'm thinking a real winner from Corgi would be the B-58. It's smaller than the Vulcan, and a very beautiful aircraft also. But realistically, if the Vulcan is a hit, then the next logical aircraft would be the Victor, then the Valiant to complete the famous V-bomber series.
Very true a B-58 would be a magnificent spectacle in 1/72 with it's incredibly sleek lines, presumably also be a big seller in the US market if not here in our green n' pleasant lands too.

The Victor is definitely the next logical step from the Vulcan, you have at least three good liveries in anti-flash white, the black buck raids and a gulf war scheme. The Valiant however, as much as I'd personally love to see one produced I don't know if it would sell overly well but here's hoping anyway, bring on the 1/72 V Force
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Old 05-27-2013, 10:37 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Referring to how "damn big" the B-29 would be, I just did the math and it would have over 23.5" wing span. No place to store something like that. I just cancelled an order for a 1:72 B-17 in lieu for the HM A-20.

Like the idea for the Hustler. It is iconic for sure.

As was mentioned before, the biggest vacancy is the F-117
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Old 05-27-2013, 10:54 PM   #33 (permalink)
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By my reckoning the Hustler would have a wing span of around 9.5" by a length of 16.1", seems very feasible for corgi given it's previous/current larger model endeavours.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:25 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I understand the tooling for the size is a very real issue. Although I think if you parcel parts together, the project may not be impossible.
The real issue after that is the amount of work/labor cost that would drive the cost so high it becomes a scaled economic potential disaster due to the high cost to manufacture.

In other words, with these two factors, it becomes a high risk effort.

If, if, HM or another manufacturer was to take on the bomber manufacturing role, then I think the smaller more modern are the ones to start with. The F-117 is basically a fighter size bomber, go for it.

But when you go large... those last two risk come to mind. Have to start thinking about all the different liveries versus popularity to make the most of the cost to do so. I would love to see the B-2, big, but modern and it is produced in a modular form, could be done. Tough but HM did make a ton of F-22's successfully. Many laughed when I suggested CW go with a SR-71 and the same arguments were used. CW at least had some vision and took risk. Then again, I hope the SR-71 mold was not responsible for them biting the financial bullet.
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This has been discussed before.

Currently Hobby Master does not have the ability to construct four engine heavies (B-17, B-24, Lancaster, Halifax) in 1/72 Scale. The size is just too big for their current factory set up.

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I'm surprised at this because Hobby Master did the 1/72 Avro Arrows for the Canadian Warplane Heritage and those were very large models.
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I'm surprised at this because Hobby Master did the 1/72 Avro Arrows for the Canadian Warplane Heritage and those were very large models.
World War II heavies like the B-17, B-24, and Halifax are significantly larger than the Avro Arrow.
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World War II heavies like the B-17, B-24, and Halifax are significantly larger than the Avro Arrow.
Obviously you don't have the Arrow in your collection. The Corgi Lancaster is 11.47" long and the Arrow is 13.12" long. "Significantly larger" is a stretch. The wingspan would have it beat by about four inches, but the Arrow is a big plane.
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Obviously you don't have the Arrow in your collection. The Corgi Lancaster is 11.47" long and the Arrow is 13.12" long. "Significantly larger" is a stretch. The wingspan would have it beat by about four inches, but the Arrow is a big plane.
I have an Arrow in my collection. I don't have a Lanc, but my Corgi B-17 takes up much more space than the Arrow. The wingspan makes the difference. I tend to look at a model both length wise and width wise (ie. how much acreage space it takes up on my shelf).

"Significantly larger" is my viewpoint. You can disagree.

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It's the size of the largest piece that is the limiting factor, not the size of the aircraft. It all depends where they put the seams. The Stirling wing is huge.
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