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Old 04-12-2011, 06:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Did anybody see this? An AF A380 collided with a Comair CRJ-700 in New York JFK. The best part? IT WAS CAUGHT ON TAPE!. Take a look. Its scary to imagine what it would have been like to be on the CRJ.

YouTube - Airbus A380 Jumbo Jet Clips Tail Of Another Plane While Taxiing At JFK Airport NO SOUND
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Old 04-12-2011, 06:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Just saw it on a dutch airline news website.. It is a hard collision for the Comair CRJ.. But the A380 stopped immediatly.. How big is the dammage on the CRJ.????
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Wow.... that CRJ looked like it was a toy for that AF a380
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Wow.... that CRJ looked like it was a toy for that AF a380

Was about to post exactly the same comment. I expected the tail to come off.
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I was dusting my 1:200 collection on the weekend and when I went to move my Phoenix 787 it did a similar thing to my AC Jazz Dash 8. A complete non-event on a collectors shelf, but frightening as the daylights in real life. Yes -- I'd be rather shaken if I was in that CRJ too.

BTW: Pictures HERE at Airliner.net.

Speaking of that, I wonder when Gemini is going to do up an AirFrance/BritAir CRJ-900 in the new colours?


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Poor CRJ! It was like a little scale model getting pulled in the tail...
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Ouch that poor little CRJ, Thanks for sharing this as i have not heard anything about this accident!
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A380 'clips' tail of another plane?? More like 'whacks' it to the side!



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ouch !!!! Could of been hell of a alot worse they were lucky
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A380 - she's definitely not queen of the skies and is actually rather clumsy on the ground to boot
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That CRJ was Foreign Object Debris for that A380
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A380 - she's definitely not queen of the skies and is actually rather clumsy on the ground to boot

'A bull in a china shop' is the phrase that comes to my mind.

Maybe Airbus should install 180º cameras on both of the wing tips so the flightdeck can see where they really are.
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I watched that video a number of times. For as close as the A380 was to other aircraft, it seem to be moving pretty quickly. At LAX, unless something has changed, I think the A380 requires an escort vehicle to avoid situations like this. I would think as congested as JFK is, there would have been an escort.

Also, I know the A380 has all these cameras built into the aircraft. They don't have wingtip cameras, and/or sensors to warn the pilots how close they are to objects? Damn, most new cars have back up cameras and sensors to keep you from hitting things.
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. . . Also, I know the A380 has all these cameras built into the aircraft. They don't have wingtip cameras, and/or sensors to warn the pilots how close they are to objects? Damn, most new cars have back up cameras and sensors to keep you from hitting things.
I'm pretty sure they have a camera mounted on the forward facing edge of the tail. Useless for this sort of thing, though.
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A report at guardian.co.uk says no one was injured. If there were people in the CRJ they got whipped around pretty violently particularly toward the front.

Hard to see but it looks like the A380 wing hooked the top of CRJ's stabilizer assembly and if so it's amazing the assembly wasn't torn off. It took a substantial force to move the Comair like that yet apparently nothing major came off. Bombardier has built one tough little aeroplane
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. . . Bombardier has built one tough little aeroplane
We build 'em tuff up here in Canada, eh? (Their plant is only about 8kms from my place.)
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A report at guardian.co.uk says no one was injured. If there were people in the CRJ they got whipped around pretty violently particularly toward the front.

Hard to see but it looks like the A380 wing hooked the top of CRJ's stabilizer assembly and if so it's amazing the assembly wasn't torn off. It took a substantial force to move the Comair like that yet apparently nothing major came off. Bombardier has built one tough little aeroplane
Their very lucky the CRJ was not boarding passengers or ground crew was not working around it.
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And here's a link to the BBC News version. I can only assume the newsreader didn't bother to look at the video properly when she delivered the line:

"Goodness knows how it happened..."

I'd have thought it was bleeding obvious but there you go.

BBC News - Air France jet clips small plane at New York airport

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Wasn't this an A340 that struck the CRJ?
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Wasn't this an A340 that struck the CRJ?
funnily enough. i was thinking the same. look at the nose of the aircraft when it first comes into view, too FLAT for a 380 imo.
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You can clearly see in the video it's an A380. The aspect ratio is skewed.
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Chuck Norris farted in the CRJ, the A380 has nothing to do with this incident.
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An A380 : 280 millions,
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Chuck Norris farted in the CRJ, the A380 has nothing to do with this incident.
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Wow.... that CRJ looked like it was a toy for that AF a380
It reminds me of a GeminiJetz youtube video......
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Wasn't this an A340 that struck the CRJ?
In their rush to get this to air, I think NBC 4 goofed something up, because when I downloaded it and played it back on 4:3, it is OBVIOUSLY an A380.
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Their very lucky the CRJ was not boarding passengers or ground crew was not working around it.
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Imagine if someone had decided to use the toilet at that very minute
I'm sure many of the CRJ had a desperate need to go right after they got whacked !! "Please remain seated until the aircraft has reached the gate and come to a complete stop"...WHACK!!!!



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You can clearly see in the video it's an A380. The aspect ratio is skewed.
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Wonder if anyone on the CRJ got whiplash? Moreso, in this sue-happy country, are any of the passengers onboard the CRJ gonna sue Air France for damages? Or maybe the airport for insufficient clearances? Or the Airbus for building too big of an airliner?
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Wonder if anyone on the CRJ got whiplash? Moreso, in this sue-happy country, are any of the passengers onboard the CRJ gonna sue Air France for damages? Or maybe the airport for insufficient clearances? Or the Airbus for building too big of an airliner?
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...Leave it to the french. MOVE OVER!!!! Huh,Huh,Huh!, Je suis Air France Airbus A380 et vouz?
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My guess is that Air France or the combination of Air France/JFK will be at fault. It will be interesting to see how this safety investigation turns out.
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Wow that A380 is naughty! But I bet the CRJ liked it.
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would this be considered bullying.. ....and i thought when a catering truck hit the emirates 380 was bad...this was worst.....
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It reminds me of a GeminiJetz youtube video......
Lol, I thought the exact same thing. See reply #7: http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post874959
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until the investigation is completed, everything is speculation and theory.

btw...the video ISNOT at real time speed. it is distorted and sped up slightly.

donot know if i would want to hear this investigation summary first or the recovery results of the tail section and the black box status from AF 447
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Did anyone notice that this is one of the only air incidents with possibly millions of witnesses? Really takes a bit of work off the NTSB's shoulders.
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Did anyone notice that this is one of the only air incidents with possibly millions of witnesses? Really takes a bit of work off the NTSB's shoulders.
Except that they weren't in the air.
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Except that they weren't in the air.
But its still deemed an 'incident'.
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Did anyone notice that this is one of the only air incidents with possibly millions of witnesses? Really takes a bit of work off the NTSB's shoulders.
I don't think those of us watching the video of the incident count as "witnesses". And there have been countless other aviation incidents caught on camera before this one...
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I've been at JFK when the super has arrived. During it's roll from the turnoff to its gate ground speed was anything but brisk. The speed of the aircraft during this incident was out of the norm...everyone upstairs in the front office must have been fairly busy to miss the bright nav lights of the crj. As mentioned it"s a small miracle nobody was injured from as the the delta airplane was tossed around like a toy.
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I've been at JFK when the super has arrived. During it's roll from the turnoff to its gate ground speed was anything but brisk. The speed of the aircraft during this incident was out of the norm...everyone upstairs in the front office must have been fairly busy to miss the bright nav lights of the crj. As mentioned it"s a small miracle nobody was injured from as the the delta airplane was tossed around like a toy.
I've read that the video may have played at a higher speed, so ground speed is hard to determine. It does look like it is moving faster then normal.
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Everyone is kicking the A380 and AF but did anyone perhaps, possibly well maybe kinda sorta think that the Comair toy wasn't infact at the correct stop point on its gate lead in line?
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If the Comair anti-collision lights are flashing, that indicates the aircraft itself is either coming to its gate point and the pilot didn't efficiently exit a live taxiway or parked up short of the correct position.

All airports have bays marked that provide bucket loads of clearance for any size aircraft to pass not just the A380. Therefore either the pilot of the Comair is contributory or Ground Control is for not instructing the AF to wait while the Comair parked up.
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from the atc recordings i have heard, there is no mention of holding short or caution of other traffic. unless things have been cut out of the recording, the mention of the comair plane seems late to the air france cockpit. and the controller sounds a bit 'happy' -??- in his transmissions.

again, will have to see what the investigation results will be.
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Old 04-13-2011, 12:01 PM   #50 (permalink)
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A380 - she's definitely not queen of the skies and is actually rather clumsy on the ground to boot
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YouTube - Air France Plane Collide @JFK... As seen in new channel [JFK - USA]
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