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Old 01-15-2022, 12:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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In this age where many vehicles have aggressive surface lines that don't go anywhere, cartoonishly large grills and exaggerated proportions, I have to ask a question. Has BMW become the martyr of modern design? Also, can you walk around this XM and count how many surface lines and angles there are to this monstrosity?
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Monstrosity, that is indeed the correct word. Although a lot of new models have to grow on me this one surely never will.
Audi also goes in that direction, although less. Hope I still will be able to enjoy my 992 4S for a long time, before that too is over and all cars look like that BMW...

In the mean time, still counting the surface lines...
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The BMW grilles are getting very "Edsel"
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Yeah, I don't get it. The recent Lexis grill designs make the bad BMW front end acceptable by comparison. I believe the appearance of a car is the major selling point, and often real design pluses are secondary. I don't care how good a Lexis is, I can't get past the stink of that grill. And BMW? Back in the day when I was really into German makes, the BMW was to be avoided because their high compression often resulted in blown head gaskets. Anyway, I'm pretty much outta the loop when it comes to current trendy rides. I am unwilling to reveal what I drive... Doug

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I owned BMWs from 1990 until 2010, and IMO, they were the epitome of styling for decades. The 1990 E30 318Ti which I owned for fifteen years was a good example. I can’t believe that someone will walk into a showroom of their own free will, and buy that XIIIM carbuncle. Still, horses for courses and all that stuff.

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I owned BMWs from 1990 until 2010, and IMO, they were the epitome of styling for decades. The 1990 E30 318Ti which I owned for fifteen years was a good example. I can’t believe that someone will walk into a showroom of their own free will, and buy that XIIIM carbuncle. Still, horses for courses and all that stuff.

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Agrred but when the E60 5 and E65 7 series (under Bangle) came out I though they were fugly.
I now have both and consider them some of the best looking cars - and BM's for years. anything since has been just "me too" bland
Why? just looks at a recent Merc C & E class and the e60. Its taken nearly 20 years for merc to catchup.
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Monstrosity, that is indeed the correct word. Although a lot of new models have to grow on me this one surely never will.
Audi also goes in that direction, although less. Hope I still will be able to enjoy my 992 4S for a long time, before that too is over and all cars look like that BMW...

In the mean time, still counting the surface lines...
Kudos to you for owning such a beautiful Porsche. About three years ago, my dad became too old to drive and we had to sell his Carrera. He's 92 now.

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The BMW grilles are getting very "Edsel"
Two grill worlds colliding and soon to become one.

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Yeah, I don't get it. The recent Lexis grill designs make the bad BMW front end acceptable by comparison. I believe the appearance of a car is the major selling point, and often real design pluses are secondary. I don't care how good a Lexis is, I can't get past the stink of that grill. And BMW? Back in the day when I was really into German makes, the BMW was to be avoided because their high compression often resulted in blown head gaskets. Anyway, I'm pretty much outta the loop when it comes to current trendy rides. I am unwilling to reveal what I drive... Doug
Yeah, Lexis continues to double down on their stink of a grill. Based on mechanical problems BMW has had, it is not wise to purchase a used one.

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I owned BMWs from 1990 until 2010, and IMO, they were the epitome of styling for decades. The 1990 E30 318Ti which I owned for fifteen years was a good example. I can’t believe that someone will walk into a showroom of their own free will, and buy that XIIIM carbuncle. Still, horses for courses and all that stuff. Neil.
I've never owned a BMW but have always loved their older designs.
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Bingo - mea culpa!
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Although I have never been a fan of Korean cars, the Kia Stinger GT2 and the Telluride SUV are sharp!
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I think BMW is under a major restructuring and I guess BMW's performance and superb track handling heritage are being obviously replaced with the wannabe green and electric, trendy designs that are absolutely hideous. Car enthusiasts were loyal customers that elevated BMW to a top brand. Only time will tell if this new hipster and hippie customer base will do the same. Me personally highly doubt about it. Kudos to you guys a Porsche 992 4S or E30 318Ti are a true gems!! Thankfully there are still smart guys out there that have a taste...
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Forget the fact that most Manufactures are now increasing the MSRP of vehicles to be in line with the ridiculous increases the dealerships are doing to all the cars. Most vehicles have seen increases of plus 10K...

But this vehicle will sell simply because its new and its a BMW
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Yes and they paste ///M badges everywhere. What a joke.

I wish I still had my 2006 E46 M3 with manual 6sp. Over 330hp naturally aspirated.
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Thought I’d put a pic of my beloved E30 318Ti. The best car I ever owned, and the only BMW I ever wanted. I purchased her new in a BMW dealership in Berlin, and had her converted to right hand drive on arrival into the U.K. At the time, the E30 was already in the showroom and there were examples of them already on show. I had the last E30 that the Berlin dealer would receive. Even going doing the Berlin thing, I still paid less than if I’d bought the car from a U.K. dealership! The car was ten years old when I took the pics. Anyway, not wishing to hijack this thread, I’ll leave it here.

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I wish I still had my 2006 E46 M3 with manual 6sp. Over 330hp naturally aspirated.
^^^ My brother has a 2002 E46 M3 six speed manual with carbon black color and SuperSprint race exhaust. Indeed I ask myself every single time when I see that timeless design how low BMW actually fell. Like you said soon they will be selling dishwashing liquids with M badges. And I am speechless how ugly designs they're producing nowadays. I almost get a nervous breakdown when I hear people saying 'it will grown on me'! You're kidding right? If I spend serious $$$ for a premium product like a performance model of a BMW it should better evoke emotions like Margot Robbie... Oh well I always say that BMW's prime time was the legendary 'E' series designs. It's all downhill from there...
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Neil you're not hijacking the thread from my perspective where BMW is headed we will soon be all talking about the vintage BMW's only. Tnx for the pics E30 is really something...
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You’re quite welcome! I really wish I still had her

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Thought I’d put a pic of my beloved E30 318Ti. The best car I ever owned, and the only BMW I ever wanted. I purchased her new in a BMW dealership in Berlin, and had her converted to right hand drive on arrival into the U.K. At the time, the E30 was already in the showroom and there were examples of them already on show. I had the last E30 that the Berlin dealer would receive. Even going doing the Berlin thing, I still paid less than if I’d bought the car from a U.K. dealership! The car was ten years old when I took the pics. Anyway, not wishing to hijack this thread, I’ll leave it here.

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Simply beautiful. I had the 320 version when I lived in the UK. Best car I ever owned.
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Here's a beautiful project that sounds absolutely divine...

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At my daughters work, there are several BMW SUVS and an M2 that come and go. Odd that a Toyota Dealership has a market for BMW Suvs. She enjoys them and does agree that they are drivers cars. But reliability? Well that is a whole new Horse race. She liked the M2 considerably.
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