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Old 05-29-2021, 12:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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...into the modern design and manufacturing process for models. I am sure that there are similarities - particularly in the printing process..

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Once the video moves into production in China, yes very similar process. Even the province is the same where several previous and current diecast aircraft model makers were/are located. Most collectors have never seen just how complicated the production process truly is. I have been going to those factories since the mid 90's and so much has changed in the last 10 years.

Gemini does not have the same US design and development team here in the US like this model railroad company does, (I like their big job titles )...its pretty much a one person show doing the work of 4.

Nevertheless, interesting video, thank you for sharing.
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Considering the number of people, tools and steps involved, the cost of labor, raw materials and transportation, the price of models (which includes manufacturer and retailer profits) really is incredible.

As to job titles, I guess if it is your own, small company, you get to make up whatever you want, but the “grandness” me laugh too.
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Considering the number of people, tools and steps involved, the cost of labor, raw materials and transportation, the price of models (which includes manufacturer and retailer profits) really is incredible.

As to job titles, I guess if it is your own, small company, you get to make up whatever you want, but the “grandness” me laugh too.

Thanks for this - fascinating. Don't know what the price of those HO scale locomotives must be, but surely a few times more than say, the most expensive 1/200 airliner model. If a die cast airliner model had all the features of one of those locos, we'd have working slats, flaps, thrust reversers, and take-off sound, and a similar cost schedule. Doug

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As a model railway collector for 20+ years I can confirm that intricate details on high end models require substantial hand assembling/finish to this day and I visited German manufacturers PIKO and Fleischmann and I can confirm that many people are involved in physical assembly and computer related design/research work. Many European manufacturers like the biggest and the oldest in the world Marklin have the bragging rights of products being built in Europe. People forget that locomotives and rail cars are produced in much greater numbers hence much greater variations that vary even greater between the railroads. The company in the above link the ScaleTrains is a great one and fairly young established in 2015 but CEO Shane Wilson and his close friends/ co-founders are all from model railroading waters. Shane explained that he worked for a major US manufacturer called the Athearn a vast and highly established company selling worldwide. I own several ScaleTrains locomotives and have several more locomotives & rail cars on preorder. Their premium models are top notch and electronics are the best using the German ESU Loksound 5.0 decoders.
Here’s their website with respective models and prices

https://www.scaletrains.com/

And another production video from Austrian company called Roco.cc

https://youtu.be/gOL2aHJbBAM
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I am saddened that American subways and lightrail arent popular when it comes to model trains, I have accepted and had a funeral for the thought of ever seeing my home towns transit trains in model form.
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As a model railway collector for 20+ years I can confirm that intricate details on high end models require substantial hand assembling/finish to this day and I visited German manufacturers PIKO and Fleischmann and I can confirm that many people are involved in physical assembly and computer related design/research work. Many European manufacturers like the biggest and the oldest in the world Marklin have the bragging rights of products being built in Europe. People forget that locomotives and rail cars are produced in much greater numbers hence much greater variations that vary even greater between the railroads. The company in the above link the ScaleTrains is a great one and fairly young established in 2015 but CEO Shane Wilson and his close friends/ co-founders are all from model railroading waters. Shane explained that he worked for a major US manufacturer called the Athearn a vast and highly established company selling worldwide. I own several ScaleTrains locomotives and have several more locomotives & rail cars on preorder. Their premium models are top notch and electronics are the best using the German ESU Loksound 5.0 decoders.
Here’s their website with respective models and prices

https://www.scaletrains.com/

And another production video from Austrian company called Roco.cc

https://youtu.be/gOL2aHJbBAM
I appreciate the highly detailed information/videos that you and ukjohna provided. I like ScaleTrains' "Rivet Counter" marketing name because they aim for high-end products. Because they are relatively new, I have only one engine and a few freight cars from them. Otherwise, the rest of my freight engines and cars come from the mid to high tier lines of Atlas, Athearn, Broadway Ltd., Intermountain and Walthers. Regarding European manufacturers, Preiser has been my "go to" for figurines.

I do wish that European manufacturers produced modern American cars. Other than River Point who makes high-end modern Ford trucks and suvs, there's nothing out there.

What has been your focus in railroad modeling?

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I am saddened that American subways and lightrail arent popular when it comes to model trains, I have accepted and had a funeral for the thought of ever seeing my home towns transit trains in model form.
In this hobby, new things such as light rail will be extremely slow to catch on. Would like to see "The Tide" light rail produced before my funeral.
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^^^ To be honest I buy what I like. Many railway fans here in Europe are strictly limited to local rosters specific area and era/epochs. But not me I was always fascinated by large American steam and diesel electric EMD locomotives. So on my future Alpine style layout you will be able to see Rio Grande EMD SD40T-2’s running alongside German diesel hydraulic 218 class or DRG 03 class steam locomotive sharing rails with the Up 4014 BigBoy. I say life is too short so I like to have my collection as diverse as possible. I think that’s what makes railroading fun…
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Have not had a train set since I was a kid. We’re it not for the shelves full of planes, I might have started a layout as I start to think about retirement. Period would likely be UK in the 70s.

I found the video as I subscribe to a few railroad channels for scenery tips as I start on my airport.

Now if only there was a 1:200 rail scale between Z and N.
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^^^ To be honest I buy what I like. Many railway fans here in Europe are strictly limited to local rosters specific area and era/epochs. But not me I was always fascinated by large American steam and diesel electric EMD locomotives. So on my future Alpine style layout you will be able to see Rio Grande EMD SD40T-2’s running alongside German diesel hydraulic 218 class or DRG 03 class steam locomotive sharing rails with the Up 4014 BigBoy. I say life is too short so I like to have my collection as diverse as possible. I think that’s what makes railroading fun…
I like what you have in steam and diesel variety. Hope you make a YouTube video when your future Alpine project is completed. Also, if you have videos of your past/current layouts and/or club layouts, please post them.

When we were stationed in Frankfurt from 1963 - 1966, my dad bought a Fleischmann DB Class 65 with passenger cars and the iconic curved glass and steel passenger station for our use. We still have the engine but everything else was lost over time.
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Have not had a train set since I was a kid. We’re it not for the shelves full of planes, I might have started a layout as I start to think about retirement. Period would likely be UK in the 70s.

I found the video as I subscribe to a few railroad channels for scenery tips as I start on my airport.

Now if only there was a 1:200 rail scale between Z and N.
Thanks for this video. Although I'm not subscribed to anyone, YouTube knows I like railroads and puts them in the suggestion box. The scaled model layout vids have also been very helpful for the HO ethanol plant I built.

Have you decided on the equipment you'll use for that period?
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Have not had a train set since I was a kid. We’re it not for the shelves full of planes, I might have started a layout as I start to think about retirement. Period would likely be UK in the 70s.

I found the video as I subscribe to a few railroad channels for scenery tips as I start on my airport.

Now if only there was a 1:200 rail scale between Z and N.

Do you know this channel??

https://youtu.be/yZDIrF9NsWk

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I like what you have in steam and diesel variety. Hope you make a YouTube video when your future Alpine project is completed. Also, if you have videos of your past/current layouts and/or club layouts, please post them.

When we were stationed in Frankfurt from 1963 - 1966, my dad bought a Fleischmann DB Class 65 with passenger cars and the iconic curved glass and steel passenger station for our use. We still have the engine but everything else was lost over time.
Wow a beautiful tank locomotive. Does it still run?? Was your father stationed in Ramstein back then??
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Do you know this channel??

https://youtu.be/yZDIrF9NsWk

Wow a beautiful tank locomotive. Does it still run?? Was your father stationed in Ramstein back then??
As you can see, it doesn't run because integral parts are long gone. Don't know how hard it would be to obtain parts and get it back to running condition. Otherwise, I display it as a keepsake.

My dad was Navy but we were stationed on an Army base (Edwards Kaserne). He worked as a computer programmer at the IG Farben Building.
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The amount of work going into this is mind-blowing. Thank you ukjohna!

Maybe a diecast aircraft manufacturer can produce a similar video?
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@ Virginia Breeze that locomotive needs a complete front leading wheels assembly and given the age of the model obtaining it would be a feat on its own. Probably best chance would be contacting some major train store or maybe Fleischmann factory itself ( maybe giving you contacts from a vast number of German clubs ) and asking for some help or connections with numerous clubs around the globe. I know and purchased from this store so they might help

https://www.reynaulds.com/

The locomotive itself is a beauty and keep it as it is with all the original wear. Thank you for sharing…
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@ Virginia Breeze that locomotive needs a complete front leading wheels assembly and given the age of the model obtaining it would be a feat on its own. Probably best chance would be contacting some major train store or maybe Fleischmann factory itself ( maybe giving you contacts from a vast number of German clubs ) and asking for some help or connections with numerous clubs around the globe. I know and purchased from this store so they might help

https://www.reynaulds.com/

The locomotive itself is a beauty and keep it as it is with all the original wear. Thank you for sharing…
Thanks for your input, contact info and appreciation for this old locomotive. The pic of this loco tells that if it were 1:1 scale, the boneyard or scrapyard would be its only friend.

Will start by calling my local train shop tomorrow as they repair trains. Just don't know if they repair old Fleischmann ones. From there, I'll take it further as per the info you provided. Many thanks.
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You know how they say ‘One man's trash is another man's treasure!!’. No problem my friend we all share the same passion. In the link below I will paste the modest website of a quite substantial model train store in the downtown’s heart of the German city of Nurnberg. It’s the very city where Fleischmann brand was originally founded. I made a few purchases there back in 2003 and 2004. It’s all German website but I was able to make all purchases via English language so sending them an e-mail cannot hurt. Nurnberg is Fleischmann’s hometown and many great clubs are scattered there. Just send them as many pictures as possible especially from the front section of the missing leading wheels.

https://www.eisenbahn-doerfler.de/
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You know how they say ‘One man's trash is another man's treasure!!’. No problem my friend we all share the same passion. In the link below I will paste the modest website of a quite substantial model train store in the downtown’s heart of the German city of Nurnberg. It’s the very city where Fleischmann brand was originally founded. I made a few purchases there back in 2003 and 2004. It’s all German website but I was able to make all purchases via English language so sending them an e-mail cannot hurt. Nurnberg is Fleischmann’s hometown and many great clubs are scattered there. Just send them as many pictures as possible especially from the front section of the missing leading wheels.

https://www.eisenbahn-
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You know how they say ‘One man's trash is another man's treasure!!’. No problem my friend we all share the same passion. In the link below I will paste the modest website of a quite substantial model train store in the downtown’s heart of the German city of Nurnberg. It’s the very city where Fleischmann brand was originally founded. I made a few purchases there back in 2003 and 2004. It’s all German website but I was able to make all purchases via English language so sending them an e-mail cannot hurt. Nurnberg is Fleischmann’s hometown and many great clubs are scattered there. Just send them as many pictures as possible especially from the front section of the missing leading wheels.

https://www.eisenbahn-doerfler.de/
I sent a detailed message to eisenbahn-doerfler. Hopefully, they will respond soon.
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Fingers crossed my friend keep me posted…
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I contacted Eisenbahn-Doerfler and they could not help me with parts. Will keep model as it is for a family keepsake.
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^^^ Thank you for the update. Indeed finding replacement parts for decades out of production model can be really hard. Have you contacted Reynaulds.com?? I am not a member on this website but if I were you I would join. You know what they say more opened doors more opportunities. You can always enjoy your cherished locomotive as it is. Here is the link:

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