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Old 01-25-2021, 10:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Since my first rant seemed to be a success (though I posted it in the wrong section 200 scale, Whiners and Complainers), I thought I would continue with a second one. I'm into ranting lately because of my old age and watching Jerry's rants on BigJetTV.

WISH LIST THREADS....Its bad enough that someone starts a thread titled wishlist for a model they seek. What gets to me is that its usually some obscure plane from ages ago that 99% of the model collectors could care less about. It may mean something to them but to most others totally useless. There is one member here who lives in Europe who constantly falls into this category. Next, others join in too with obscure weird crap then it snowballs into a long drawn out thread which spawns others. Its more prevalent on the 400 scale section.

Its gotten so bad, that now these never ending wishlist threads are broken down by manufacturer and the latest by aircraft type.

I get that fact that this is an enthusiasts forum and everyone should be able to wish for a model, but to me it just seems to be getting out of hand with 5-6 wishlist threads going on simultaneously.

So the next post that states "Hey I flew on an Odyssey Airlines 757 back in 1988..Please XYZ model company make this model it would make a great choice and I will buy it" .....I'll just move along...
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I give wish lists props beyond dropping hints for obvious airlines/aircraft releases and those that are unique. At least for me, I like to research some of these airlines/aircraft even if I don't participate in most of those threads.

Interestingly, manufacturers like Aero Classics have produced models that are extremely unique. Really, far beyond any release for my criteria. Even when they go down that rabbit hole, I find it amusing that they haven't produced unique releases that garner more attention based on the number of said aircraft a given airline operated. But, that is their wish and so be it.

I was stunned when Gemini Jets released their CV-580. Something at the time I thought was solely AC territory. But, hey, I'll take it.
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Please Gemini200, make a Piedmont DC-3 and I'll shut up and promise I will never ever add to another want/wish list again!
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I completely agree, many requests on these wishlist threads are quite ridiculous. However, I tend to mention only models that seem comercially viable
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My two cents: I always like wishlists because it’s a way for collectors to communicate what they want in the future, or rereleased. But yes, the obscure old-time airliners I could care less about those, that I agree on. Chances are they won’t be made (go to Aeroclassics and see if they can do it.) I guess some could say the same for the North American regional jets too, that I, among many others especially on this forum, always request for, but just about every commercial airport in the US has these on a regular basis, so that’s why there’s so much demand for either new releases or a rerelease of those. I feel like the focus for model collecting these days is about building airports, not just picking models that appeal to you, as we’ve seen a pretty substantial increase in model airport update videos nowadays.
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It would be useful information for the group for the manufacturers to chime in on this. I think if collectors knew these wish threads do not contribute at all to the release list each month, they might not be so prevalent. Conversely, if they do, well - it will continue, as they should. Isn't that the point of this forum?
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...However, I tend to mention only models that seem comercially viable
Same here. Example: This weekend, after reading an article re: BA's love of the 747 and watching a video of the landing of their first B744s, I posted a thread asking GJ or JCW to please produce a model of BA's G-BNLA, given its history (BA's first B744). IF200 released one 11 years ago, but many models suffered from cracks in the paint on the belly of the fuselage, and because it would be in Landor livery, it would sell quite well. (I've noticed with the recent "100 years" models, the Landor livery models are sold out everywhere (except on eBay with high prices), yet the BOAC and Negus liveries are still available, so it's clear collectors love the Landor livery.)

Wish lists exist in every hobby. When I collected Danbury Mint and Franklin Mint 1:24 scale diecast car, guys were always posting wish lists of cars they'd like to see produced.
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I give wish lists props beyond dropping hints for obvious airlines/aircraft releases and those that are unique. At least for me, I like to research some of these airlines/aircraft even if I don't participate in most of those threads.

Interestingly, manufacturers like Aero Classics have produced models that are extremely unique. Really, far beyond any release for my criteria. Even when they go down that rabbit hole, I find it amusing that they haven't produced unique releases that garner more attention based on the number of said aircraft a given airline operated. But, that is their wish and so be it.

I was stunned when Gemini Jets released their CV-580. Something at the time I thought was solely AC territory. But, hey, I'll take it.
...and many of those unique models (especially with low production numbers) are impossible to find now. They may not satisfy the majority, but they still sell out. I hope all manufacturers continue to release the occasional oddball. It keeps it interesting, and for those seeking an accurate airport display, there is always an oddball aircraft parked somewhere, no matter the era.
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Unfortunate to hear some collectors feel their wishes are better, or more viable, than others. Mod's - perhaps a Wish List section in each scale could be added so they can be easily avoided if desired?
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Mod's - perhaps a Wish List section in each scale could be added so they can be easily avoided if desired?
Solved. mt8667 FTW.

But if we leave Russ in charge of making that section, it'll probably wing up upside down, or sideways at the least.
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Solved. mt8667 FTW.

But if we leave Russ in charge of making that section, it'll probably wing up upside down, or sideways at the least.
Not necessarily true as I wont be posting any wishes
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Unfortunate to hear some collectors feel their wishes are better, or more viable, than others. Mod's - perhaps a Wish List section in each scale could be added so they can be easily avoided if desired?
Sounds good I may toss that around for an hour or two ...
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Was going to suggest a sticky for each manu section. but see you have just done it. lets see how many obey it! if they start a separate thread, just delete it. or even BAN them for a week. 2 weeks for 2nd offence and so on.
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Not necessarily true as I wont be posting any wishes
I was talking about the actual section!
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Was going to suggest a sticky for each manu section. but see you have just done it. lets see how many obey it! if they start a separate thread, just delete it. or even BAN them for a week. 2 weeks for 2nd offence and so on.
I think banning anyone for that is a little extreme. It will just take a little time for everyone to get used too..Unfortunately, even as a moderator I cant move a thread from one section to a specific sticky thread. I have to close it down and redirect them to the new location.
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I spoke to the other moderator and we feel that moving the wishlists to the manufacturer section, streamlines all those threads. It also gives any manufacturer monitoring this site an easier more precise location to judge feedback, recommendations and everything else versus scrolling through pages of topics.

For now, I will leave a few of the current airframe wish lists such as Richard Strettons TU 154 alone and in place, but in the future any new ones will be moved to that section.

I'm sure there will be resistance but in time everyone will get used to it.
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I think banning anyone for that is a little extreme. It will just take a little time for everyone to get used too..Unfortunately, even as a moderator I cant move a thread from one section to a specific sticky thread. I have to close it down and redirect them to the new location.

ok. a STIFF warning to start with then. at least if manu's do read these threads they are all in one place. easier to read/follow.
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Please Gemini200, make a Piedmont DC-3 and I'll shut up and promise I will never ever add to another want/wish list again!
If I were a manufacturer, I would think along the lines of the airline industry's historical development. As an example, I would release a 1:400 scale DC-3 for each of the thirteen US local airlines in one beautiful box set! That's right. A beautiful box containing DC-3s of the thirteen original US local carriers with a colorful system map and a flyer or brochure for each airline. In 1:200, I would release boxed sets that represented the eastern, central and western airline regions.

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My two cents: I always like wishlists because it’s a way for collectors to communicate what they want in the future, or rereleased. But yes, the obscure old-time airliners I could care less about those, that I agree on. Chances are they won’t be made (go to Aeroclassics and see if they can do it.) I guess some could say the same for the North American regional jets too, that I, among many others especially on this forum, always request for, but just about every commercial airport in the US has these on a regular basis, so that’s why there’s so much demand for either new releases or a rerelease of those. I feel like the focus for model collecting these days is about building airports, not just picking models that appeal to you, as we’ve seen a pretty substantial increase in model airport update videos nowadays.
Because the American regional jets are so important to the US market, it would make obvious sense for manufacturers to produce these models like they had done with the narrow body Airbuses, Boeings and McDonnell Douglas aircraft. Yet, they have little clue just as they did with the US local airlines I mentioned to jcahea. And in part, that's why we have wish lists. To make some chronological sense out of what the manufacturers have or had completely missed.

Gemini Jets has vested interest in airport infrastructure. This has been great for the hobby.

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Was going to suggest a sticky for each manu section. but see you have just done it. lets see how many obey it! if they start a separate thread, just delete it. or even BAN them for a week. 2 weeks for 2nd offence and so on.
Russell can always transfer the thread to the sticky and send a note to the member.
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I spoke to the other moderator and we feel that moving the wishlists to the manufacturer section, streamlines all those threads. It also gives any manufacturer monitoring this site an easier more precise location to judge feedback, recommendations and everything else versus scrolling through pages of topics.

For now, I will leave a few of the current airframe wish lists such as Richard Strettons TU 154 alone and in place, but in the future any new ones will be moved to that section.

I'm sure there will be resistance but in time everyone will get used to it.
Totally agree with you. Thanks.
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Since my first rant seemed to be a success (though I posted it in the wrong section 200 scale, Whiners and Complainers), I thought I would continue with a second one. I'm into ranting lately because of my old age and watching Jerry's rants on BigJetTV.

WISH LIST THREADS....Its bad enough that someone starts a thread titled wishlist for a model they seek. What gets to me is that its usually some obscure plane from ages ago that 99% of the model collectors could care less about. It may mean something to them but to most others totally useless. There is one member here who lives in Europe who constantly falls into this category. Next, others join in too with obscure weird crap then it snowballs into a long drawn out thread which spawns others. Its more prevalent on the 400 scale section.

Its gotten so bad, that now these never ending wishlist threads are broken down by manufacturer and the latest by aircraft type.

I get that fact that this is an enthusiasts forum and everyone should be able to wish for a model, but to me it just seems to be getting out of hand with 5-6 wishlist threads going on simultaneously.

So the next post that states "Hey I flew on an Odyssey Airlines 757 back in 1988..Please XYZ model company make this model it would make a great choice and I will buy it" .....I'll just move along...
Well said friend, you extracted the words out of my mind, as if Companies are literally going to read such high hopes haha, even that some idea's are nice such threads I recall as useless pointless and overall a waste of time and forum space.

it's like asking them the following:

Can you dream?

The wishlist guy would be like:
Well of course! I have a dream for these to be released!

My reply to that would be more like:
Hmm not going to happen, just let that dream sail on till it sinks to the bottom of the deep blue ocean.

But yea pretty much that rofl xD
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Of course I am interested in models that meet my collecting criteria and I am always happy if a manufacturer is making some of them. So I am present also in those threads and add my wishes there.

I also love to show something what I think what could be interesting, I like to add my comments every here and there and I like to read what other people write here and what they have to show. Another good thing, not to forget, are the release anouncements here in the forum.

Well, yes, but the wishlist threads are a bit outweight right now. That's also my impression.

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Wish list threads very much belong in the 1:400 discussion. It seems to me that consolidated wishlist threads per year for all manufacturers might be a way to keep them organized, but 1:400 is very much the place they belong. Making members chase all over for a topic that is very clearly 1:400 relevant is the wrong approach. Sorry.

Wish list threads are a good way to get a sense of what higher- and lower-volume models draw interest. Mods posting consolidated wishlist threads on 1:400 for each manufacturer for the year, then not allowing members to start their own, might be a way to manage the topic. And it would certainly be easier for users than making everybody look at multiple forums.

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No sorry, I disagree with these anti wish list suggestions, they are part and parcel of the hobby and trying to bury them just because some people don't like them is beyond stupid. The simplest answer is just don't read them and leave them for the people who do enjoy them. This is s simple enough hobby and doesn't need unnecessary complication.

Quite frankly, there's been no mention (I assume purposefully) of the one manufacturer who has responded positively to 'wish lists", even responding to individual aircraft registration number suggestions. A thread I started on 400, courting suggestions for TriStar releases, not only saw many of those made but convinced said manufacturer to produce the toolings themselves. Given their recently announced range of 737 mould variations, you have to expect a plethora of 'wishes'

Certain other brands have already expressed their contempt for collector requests and wishes, which may have something to do with this thread itself, but...

Nobody is forced to click on any of these pages, I'll say it again. Don't like wishlists, don't read wishlists.

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I get the impression obscure planes on wish lists are usually from collectors who have large collections of diecast planes. So most of what manufacturers announce, said collector already have from a previous release.

Generally, I don't see anything wrong with wish lists. However, I get the overkill aspect if a lot of them are posted at the same time. As for obscure planes, I agree a reality check should be done. Obscure planes are unlikely to sell in enough numbers to earn a return for the diecast manufacturer.

It would be nice if manufacturers were able to release diecast planes for all collector wants and wishes. Unfortunately they are a business and their bank accounts kinda take a priority above all else
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Nobody is forced to click on any of these pages, I'll say it again. Don't like wishlists, don't read wishlists.

Rant over !
Good point and the other company was mentioned as listening. My point was it was getting out of hand that on the 400 scale forum when looking at the opening page of topics there was 4 Wishlist threads all going at the same time. It started to morph into the 200 scale section too. The moderators discussed it and thought it would be a good idea to move those topics to one centralized area of the forum under manufacturers. The intent was not to eliminate them..
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The moderators discussed it and thought it would be a good idea to move those topics to one centralized area of the forum under manufacturers. The intent was not to eliminate them..
I think what's set up there looks good, you may as well see if any further feedback comes out of it from forum members. I suppose a "complaint" may be it's not visible enough being buried in the manufacturer section. An alternative suggestion might be to have one sticky thread called wish list under each of the model section - 1/200, 1/400 etc
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