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Old 08-14-2020, 11:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Greetings all,

Obviously I'm a little new here, so I'm seeking advice on what most on here generally prefer. I have a few models that I'm looking to sell on here, but I want to be prepared before I list them. Are there any methods of payment I should offer, or are there any that I should not offer? I have PayPal, and that seems pretty common here. It seems like some people are very skeptical of newer members, especially newer sellers. I'm not sure why though. Thanks for any input you might have. Stay safe.
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Old 08-14-2020, 12:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Agreed, there seems to be some slight hesitation or stigma when dealing with new members, I am not sure why, as using Paypal protects both the buyer and seller. It seems paypal is the most popular. There are several DAC members myself included who are trusted amongst each other and do family and friends to avoid fees. Again, that would be a recommendation only among two members who agree to those terms and most likely having done transactions before..
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Venmo has become increasingly popular. The main difference between PayPal and Venmo is that Venmo shifts the fees to the buyer where PayPal charges to the seller.
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Appreciate your input folks. I don't have Venmo, not sure I want to try using it initially for these sales. I'll offer PayPal and Zelle too. Thanks again for your knowledge.
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Totally agree with Russ. I trust everyone I have sold to here. I have even sent models before payment. It's a good bunch.
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Old 08-15-2020, 06:56 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Well, now that I have your attention, I've never shipped internationally. I have shipped several times domestically. As long as I have the address, is it any different shipping internationally? Not trying to incriminate any of you, lol, but how does one handle export taxes, etc.? Thanks again for your input.
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export taxes??? never heard of that. buyer is responsible for postage + ANY IMPORT TAXES once it arrives in their country if over a certain limit. if its a higher value model, buyer may ask you to put a lower amount and mark as gift as to avoid taxes. only problem with that if it arrives damaged they can only claim for amount declared. but if they do ask that, then they are totally responsible for the item. no comeback on you.
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Old 08-15-2020, 10:54 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Hello.
Like others here I'd recommend Paypal. And when dealing with someone you never dealt before (or if any of you want a safety belt in case there is any issue) ask them to pay you using the "buying an item " option not the payment for friends and family. You can include the fees in your prcie so you don't end up paying for it, or just pay for it. I usually just don't ask the buyer to pay for it because I'm happy with the extra safety it gives me.
Regarding to import duties etc.. , It should not be the seller's burden in my opinion since it is very complicate to know what is applicable in a specific country. As robertjon5 mentioned if you declare a lower value in order to reduce the cost of import duties, the reimbursement in case of lost or damged item by the carrier will, almost often, be limited to the declared value. Beware then! I also want to mention also something when you sell with courriers like DHL, since they do the customes papers, they sometimes charge a heafty fee for that paperwork (I've had buyers who had to pay up to 30+ euros extra to the carrier). It depends on the carrier, the product you are shipping and where you are sending the product to. To give you an example, a relative of mine bought some delicious tea in Singapore (several packs of 20 tea bags). The price of the tea was already not cheap but he was OK with it. When he validated the order he also knew the price of the delivery with DHL. What he didn't know and he found out when he received his parcel, is that DHL charged him 20e for the drafting of the customs papers ie the paper you can do yourself online when you send a parcel with the post office. Of course it was his first time using DHL and he didn't check enough.
I think that it is something you should mention to your buyers when they ask for DHL, UPS etc. Not everyone has to pay (maybe mostly in European Union), for parcels I receive in Hong Kong, I never had to pay a cent for customs fees. Hope it helps.
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All this knowledge is very helpful. Thank you all. Speaking to Americans specifically, when I go to the post office to ship internationally, is it just as simple as having the address for the recipient? Is there a country code for shipping? Or any other special information I may need that I wouldn't normally need domestically?
May be a stupid question, but as I mentioned before, I have never shipped internationally and want to offer these models to as many people that can see.
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You will need to fill out some export forms, specifically what you are sending, where it was made and what the value is. It’s easier to do it online.

International shipping from the United States is very expensive. I generally don’t offer it unless it’s something of higher value. For a 1/200 model, the USPS is going to charge you about $60. DHL, FedEx, and UPS will all be $150 unless you’ve got a great discounted account.

USPS insurance on international shipping is a waste of time. Nobody is going to take ownership of any damage or loss since it will exchange postal services.

One other thing...trying to use an ideal sized shipping box is important. UPS and FedEx will generally bulk out (run out of physical room) before weighing out. So, if you ship something in a 12x12x6 box that weighs 3 pounds but could fit into an 10x10x4 then you’ll end up paying more because they’ll charge you the dimensional weight which is I think 5 pounds. The USPS doesn’t care unless you get above 12x12x12.

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You will need to fill out some export forms, specifically what you are sending, where it was made and what the value is. It’s easier to do it online.

International shipping from the United States is very expensive. I generally don’t offer it unless it’s something of higher value. For a 1/200 model, the USPS is going to charge you about $60. DHL, FedEx, and UPS will all be $150 unless you’ve got a great discounted account.

USPS insurance on international shipping is a waste of time. Nobody is going to take ownership of any damage or loss since it will exchange postal services.

One other thing...trying to use an ideal sized shipping box is important. UPS and FedEx will generally bulk out (run out of physical room) before weighing out. So, if you ship something in a 12x12x6 box that weighs 3 pounds but could fit into an 10x10x4 then you’ll end up paying more because they’ll charge you the dimensional weight which is I think 5 pounds. The USPS doesn’t care unless you get above 12x12x12.
Great info!! I appreciate it!
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Old 08-15-2020, 08:52 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Hi Mav, I've had dozens, probably hundreds of models mailed from the USA to me where I've lived at the time - Hong Kong, Oman, England and now Ireland. The only problems I've had have been with the 'big' international couriers FedEx, UPS, DHL etc. though to be fair not every time just occasionally. Whereas, I've never had a problem when it's been sent by mail ie. USMail to my local postal service. Compared to the couriers, the cost is reasonable and in normal times the time taken is comparable.

Having also mailed stuff to myself from USA both by FedEx and USMail I can say that the paper work is much simpler when sending it by mail.
As far as the international address is concerned, if using PayPal for payment the recipient's address, as input by him, shows up in the emails you'll get from PayPal and you can use that assuming he's input it correctly. If he hasn't then it's his problem!
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International shipping from the United States is very expensive. I generally don’t offer it unless it’s something of higher value..
Shouldn't it be up to the purchaser to decide whether he's willing to pay the shipping cost. If the model he's bid on or purchased is special enough to him then maybe he'd be willing to stump up what you consider to be unreasonable. I know, I've done it!
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good point by Dave. if someone pays by paypal their address will show on confirmation of payment email. but BEWARE if someone asks to send to a different address! paypal does not protect you if you send to different address. buyer could claim it never turned up. or claim someone else not related to them did. so I always absolutely INSIST I only post to their paypal address. if they want it sent elsewhere, then I ask them to change their paypal address. or ask them to send you a 'disclaimer' voiding you of any responsibility if it does not up. they confirm they accept ALL responsibility. and no comeback/chargeback on you.
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good point by Dave. if someone pays by paypal their address will show on confirmation of payment email. but BEWARE if someone asks to send to a different address! paypal does not protect you if you send to different address. buyer could claim it never turned up. or claim someone else not related to them did. so I always absolutely INSIST I only post to their paypal address. if they want it sent elsewhere, then I ask them to change their paypal address. or ask them to send you a 'disclaimer' voiding you of any responsibility if it does not up. they confirm they accept ALL responsibility. and no comeback/chargeback on you.
VERY good to know! Thank you!!
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one other reminder when setting your asking price allow extra 4% or so for paypal fees. if they pay by friends + family they pay the fee, but you DO NOT get their address in paypal payment email. they have to send you their address. you have no idea if its correct. so unless you know the person well enough ok, but to protect both buyer and seller I think these forums should insist NO PAYMENTS BY FF.
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one other reminder when setting your asking price allow extra 4% or so for paypal fees. if they pay by friends + family they pay the fee, but you DO NOT get their address in paypal payment email. they have to send you their address. you have no idea if its correct. so unless you know the person well enough ok, but to protect both buyer and seller I think these forums should insist NO PAYMENTS BY FF.
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