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Old 06-03-2017, 09:42 PM   #1
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Sad news my friends, reports of another attack in London. A van drove into a crowd of people on London Bridge and reports of stabbings at a market. It's breaking news so not much more information than that.

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My wife and daughter arrived in London on Friday and were spending the weekend thru Tuesday with her family there before heading off to Cornwall. When I was watching FOX news Saturday night they broke in with a special report and my heart raced..I checked the other channels and it was just coming in as breaking news too..

I immediately called the cell knowing they would not answer as it was way past midnight, obviously they were sleeping so I called the room and woke them up. They had no idea and never knew that anything happened. I was most relieved..

I would imagine most Londoners slept threw it and awoke to the horrible news.

I spoke to them today and they are continuing on with their London stay thru Tuesday and would not let these thugs ruin it for them.
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My heart is heavy once again, for my lovely London and Londoners. R.I.P., to the seven who were killed and healing thoughts to those who are in hospital.
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May all the victims rest in peace, hope that all those who are in hospital will recover soon.
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Apparently 3 nearby armed officers fired 50 rounds in to the 3 terrorists. That is some kind of event for the UK. Probably not seen this happen since the storming of the Iranian embassy siege in the 1970's.
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In a city where most police are not armed, it's amazing or a blessing from god that the 3 animals were exterminated within 8 minutes of the first call for help.
Just think of the brutality, they plowed into a group of pedestrians just to jump out the back of the vehicle and start hacking at innocent civilians with butcher knives.
Whoever thinks this is an isolated incident needs to wake up or crawl out from under that rock.
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Obviously my statement of telling that to the terrorists is something this forum doesn''t allow?
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If I say I completely echo what Prime Minister Theresa May said

Thoughts and prayers to our UK members and the families of the deceased and maimed.
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Very sad. A pointless loss of life.
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If, when I was younger, I had accidently killed a thug with a well aimed snooker cue, whilst he attempted to stab a member of my family, I would have regarded that as an act of love towards the innocent parties (and myself).
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There is the deadly cult of IS, there is the cult of martyrdom, and the cult of fanatics but our real problem is the cult of celebrity. Those in the media, both real and fake, will now do their bidding – running around to fill in the blanks. Where did they come from? Who were his friends? When were they radicalised? What were their plans? When all we should really know is why was he known to authorities or was he/she/they on parole and are there ways we can better monitor terror suspects?

I won't bother and I will not name them. They are just dead crooks filled with as many holes as their perverted ideology. Indeed, we sould support legislation that would suppress the name of any suspect charged with terrorism and on conviction would simply be assigned a number, simultaneously stripping them of their name and notoriety (Inmate 1345) – never to be referred to by name again.

Police are examining whether this murderous suicide plot was "inspired" by the Manchester attack and IS propaganda – a world-wide troll designed to hook the particularly stupid.

What is certain is headlines create copy-cats – over the years police consistently report that after they are involved in a fatal shooting or stabbings, there will be two to three attempted "suicide by cop" incidents in the next week. It is partially fed by the desire to be remembered. They see the headlines and want their moment of infamy. These turkeys no doubt imagined their deaths and the headlines that would follow.

We have every right to be angry and we have every duty to examine these incidents to make sure we get better. But to obsess about the offenders is to play into the hands of the invisible enemy that has only one plan and that is to divide.

And what is the enemy of terrorism? Normality.
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There is the deadly cult of IS, there is the cult of martyrdom, and the cult of fanatics but our real problem is the cult of celebrity. Those in the media, both real and fake, will now do their bidding – running around to fill in the blanks. Where did they come from? Who were his friends? When were they radicalised? What were their plans? When all we should really know is why was he known to authorities or was he/she/they on parole and are there ways we can better monitor terror suspects?

I won't bother and I will not name them. They are just dead crooks filled with as many holes as their perverted ideology. Indeed, we sould support legislation that would suppress the name of any suspect charged with terrorism and on conviction would simply be assigned a number, simultaneously stripping them of their name and notoriety (Inmate 1345) – never to be referred to by name again.

Police are examining whether this murderous suicide plot was "inspired" by the Manchester attack and IS propaganda – a world-wide troll designed to hook the particularly stupid.

What is certain is headlines create copy-cats – over the years police consistently report that after they are involved in a fatal shooting or stabbings, there will be two to three attempted "suicide by cop" incidents in the next week. It is partially fed by the desire to be remembered. They see the headlines and want their moment of infamy. These turkeys no doubt imagined their deaths and the headlines that would follow.

We have every right to be angry and we have every duty to examine these incidents to make sure we get better. But to obsess about the offenders is to play into the hands of the invisible enemy that has only one plan and that is to divide.

And what is the enemy of terrorism? Normality.
Absolutely spot on.

These attacks are a tragedy, my heart gord out to those who lost their lives, their families, those that witnessed it etc, bu the media circus that surrounds these incidents is ridiculous. The amount of air time devoted to it all just gives them the notoriety that they wanted. IS don't need to claim any sort of responsibility for any of these attacks, as the media does all of that for them. I can't actually watch it anymore, it's not being an ostrich, it just makes me sad. Questions should of course be asked, as to whether anything could've been done to prevent this, but the saturation of coverage is doing a lot of the work that these warped individuals wanted.
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I won't bother and I will not name them. They are just dead crooks filled with as many holes as their perverted ideology. Indeed, we sould support legislation that would suppress the name of any suspect charged with terrorism and on conviction would simply be assigned a number, simultaneously stripping them of their name and notoriety (Inmate 1345) – never to be referred to by name again.

What is certain is headlines create copy-cats

We have every right to be angry and we have every duty to examine these incidents to make sure we get better. But to obsess about the offenders is to play into the hands of the invisible enemy that has only one plan and that is to divide.

And what is the enemy of terrorism? Normality.

Couldn't agree more. Sure, we need to know the facts but days and days of detailed reporting is sickening. My take on it is that the media (and their owners) want to keep us in fear, plus , it seems that this type of reporting sells newspapers, magazines and keeps people tuned in to radio and TV stations.

Am I just cynical ?
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There is the deadly cult of IS, there is the cult of martyrdom, and the cult of fanatics but our real problem is the cult of celebrity. Those in the media, both real and fake, will now do their bidding – running around to fill in the blanks. Where did they come from? Who were his friends? When were they radicalised? What were their plans? When all we should really know is why was he known to authorities or was he/she/they on parole and are there ways we can better monitor terror suspects?

I won't bother and I will not name them. They are just dead crooks filled with as many holes as their perverted ideology. Indeed, we sould support legislation that would suppress the name of any suspect charged with terrorism and on conviction would simply be assigned a number, simultaneously stripping them of their name and notoriety (Inmate 1345) – never to be referred to by name again.

Police are examining whether this murderous suicide plot was "inspired" by the Manchester attack and IS propaganda – a world-wide troll designed to hook the particularly stupid.

What is certain is headlines create copy-cats – over the years police consistently report that after they are involved in a fatal shooting or stabbings, there will be two to three attempted "suicide by cop" incidents in the next week. It is partially fed by the desire to be remembered. They see the headlines and want their moment of infamy. These turkeys no doubt imagined their deaths and the headlines that would follow.

We have every right to be angry and we have every duty to examine these incidents to make sure we get better. But to obsess about the offenders is to play into the hands of the invisible enemy that has only one plan and that is to divide.

And what is the enemy of terrorism? Normality.
I too wish every civilized nation would pass a law that once such an evil act of barbarism has been committed by one of these subhuman animals, that it would be a crime for the media to identify the person by name, or even try to humanize them by stating where they came from or went to school!!
Most of these so-called terrorists are actually losers and misfits, seeking their moments of fame, and the media is only too happy to oblige them.
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I'm sorry but you have it wrong. These killers were not interested in their 15 minutes of fame. They weren't the loners, the ignored or the last kid to be picked in phys ed. They killed for a cause filled with hate. They knew it was suicidal so they would take as many with them as possible. The media did point out something very important that we would never have known about and that one of the killers was known to police for actually trying to join ISIS. Question is, why was that ignored? How many more of these red flags are known but no action is taken?
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I'm sorry but you have it wrong. These killers were not interested in their 15 minutes of fame. They weren't the loners, the ignored or the last kid to be picked in phys ed. They killed for a cause filled with hate. They knew it was suicidal so they would take as many with them as possible. The media did point out something very important that we would never have known about and that one of the killers was known to police for actually trying to join ISIS. Question is, why was that ignored? How many more of these red flags are known but no action is taken?
The documentary ' J------s next door' you speak of was on Netflix and I was about to take a peek at the video; however, Netflix has decided to remove that particular documentary from their library.

In addition, I think the authorities/police are stretched thin on man-power and cannot keep tabs on every individual/groups they have on their radar. The task is too daunting and impossible for the police to keep an eye on every suspected terrorist. Yes, they can only be 're-active' to such events and are unable to be 'pro-active' to prevent such attacks. They have been able to prevent some events in the past from happening, but only a small few. I must commend the authorities for acting within 8 minutes of this recent attack to take down the murderers.
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I'm sorry but you have it wrong. These killers were not interested in their 15 minutes of fame. They weren't the loners, the ignored or the last kid to be picked in phys ed. They killed for a cause filled with hate. They knew it was suicidal so they would take as many with them as possible. The media did point out something very important that we would never have known about and that one of the killers was known to police for actually trying to join ISIS. Question is, why was that ignored? How many more of these red flags are known but no action is taken?
I wish that we could leave every terrorist and every Westerner calling for "acts of normality" in the wake of a terrorist attack on the same island together.

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Well, I don't know if something got lost in the translation between the Aussie folks and the Saudi folks, but not paying respect for just 1 minute of silence for the recent London Terror victims is just inexcusable. Glad Australia won 3-2.


Saudi Arabia football team refuse to join Australia in minute's silence for London terror victims


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Well, I don't know if something got lost in the translation between the Aussie folks and the Saudi folks, but not paying respect for just 1 minute of silence for the recent London Terror victims is just inexcusable. Glad Australia won 3-2.


Saudi Arabia football team refuse to join Australia in minute's silence for London terror victims


https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/sau...121500604.html

That is downright disgusting
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Australian soccer chiefs on Thursday night sought to defuse growing outrage over what UK media has characterised as a Saudi Arabian snub for the memories of the eight victims of last weekend's London terrorist attack.

"The Saudi Arabian Football Federation condemns all acts of terrorism and extremism and extends its sincerest condolences to the families of all the victims and to the Government and people of the United Kingdom."

On Thursday night, Football Federation Australia said that the Saudis had agreed to observe a minute's silence to honour the dead - but in their own cultural fashion. "The players did not intend any disrespect to the memories of the victims or to cause upset to their families, friends or any individual affected by the atrocity," the statement said.

The silence was due to be held in memory of the victims slain in the attacks in the London Bridge area of the English capital, two of whom were Australian women.

The Socceroos linked arms and stood in a line in the centre of the pitch, while the Saudis stood around in loose groups or alone. The Socceroos were playing the Saudis in a crucial World Cup qualifier at Adelaide Oval earlier in the evening.

The incident has been seized on by British newspapers angry at what they see as a lack of respect for those who lost their lives in London and, two weeks earlier, in Manchester.

The crowd at the Adelaide Oval was silent, while witnesses who spoke to Fairfax Media said several men who appeared to be Saudi supporters stood to attention in the stands while the silence was being observed.

In a statement, the FFA explained that it had been its suggestion to stage the public memorial at the match.

"The FFA sought agreement from the Asian Football Confederation and the Saudi national team to hold a minute's silence in memory of those lost in Saturday night's terror bombings in London and in particular the two Australian women," a spokesman said.

"Both the AFC and the Saudi team agreed that the minute of silence could be held.

"The FFA was further advised by Saudi team officials that this tradition was not in keeping with Saudi culture and they would move to their side of the field and respect our custom whilst taking their own positions on the field.

"The local broadcaster, Fox Sports, was informed of this prior to the minute's silence taking place."
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Hey Lou, thanks for the clarification on this story. However, I am still bewildered that the Saudi soccer team did not just give up 60 seconds of their time on the field and show unity with the Australian soccer team; this gesture by the Saudi's would have been a much better move and better received by the public. Every sporting event where 2 teams come together to observe a moment of silence for victims has gone on without any problems whatsoever, because the visiting team/country is showing their respect by being part of the moment of silence. Thumbs down for me on that move by the Saudi soccer federation. T7

Heck, the Saudi soccer team should have just stayed on the sidelines or sat on their benches while the Aussie soccer team was in the center of the field showing their 1 minute of silence. No need to be out on the field warming up during the moment of silence.


On Thursday night, Football Federation Australia said that the Saudis had agreed to observe a minute's silence to honour the dead - but in their own cultural fashion. "The players did not intend any disrespect to the memories of the victims or to cause upset to their families, friends or any individual affected by the atrocity," the statement said
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If the stadium announcers knew of this Saudi 'own cultural fashion' move by their soccer team; the announcer should have said something to the crowd like 'Ladies and Gentlemen, please observe a moment of silence for 1 minute with your soccer team for the recent London terror victims, please ignore/disregard the Saudi soccer team while they are warming up on the field during 'our' moment of silence. BTW folks, the Saudi soccer team will show their respects to the victims after the game.' Yeah, maybe that would have been a better move from those in attendance. T7
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BTW; must be plenty of fake news sites on this story. Cause, almost every news outlet reported the same take on this event. Strange indeed. Guess, it came down to a request by the Aussie officials and the Saudi officials said 'Thanks, but NO Thanks for the 1 min of silence we do something on our own'. Fine by me, but don't go out on the bloody field of play and start kicking the soccer balls around during the entire stadium's moment of silence. Show some class and dignity while you are a visiting team. Guess that was too much to ask of them?
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It's obviously not fake news T7. The fact that an apology came later is an admission of guilt. Yeah, showing respect isn't part of Saudi Arabias culture or broader Islamic culture....unless its showing respect to other Muslims then they are all for it.

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Others defended the Saudi team, suggesting the minute’s silence was not a recognised way to show respect and condolences in the country’s culture or in Islam more broadly.

But that appeared to clash with other instances of Gulf countries holding minute’s silences, including to mark the death of the former Saudi King Abdullah.

Another image appeared to show a domestic Saudi team, al-Ahli Saudi FC, standing for a minute’s silence before a Qatar Airways Cup match against Barcelona in December 2016.


Teams observe one minute of silence during the Qatar Airways Cup match in Doha between Barcelona and Al-Ahli Saudi FC on 13 December 2016. Photograph: AK Bijuraj/Getty Images


This apologetic behavior by some, and the thought policing that goes with it drives me more crazy than the terrorism itself.
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The documentary ' J------s next door' you speak of was on Netflix and I was about to take a peek at the video; however, Netflix has decided to remove that particular documentary from their library.

In addition, I think the authorities/police are stretched thin on man-power and cannot keep tabs on every individual/groups they have on their radar. The task is too daunting and impossible for the police to keep an eye on every suspected terrorist. Yes, they can only be 're-active' to such events and are unable to be 'pro-active' to prevent such attacks. They have been able to prevent some events in the past from happening, but only a small few. I must commend the authorities for acting within 8 minutes of this recent attack to take down the murderers.
Yeah I wasn't surprised that one of the attackers was featured in a documentary about Jihad. This stuff is almost comical in how preventable it is. If it's predictable, it's preventable...too bad European governments haven't figured that out yet.
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