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Old 07-09-2016, 06:24 AM   #251 (permalink)
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I'm still 'licking the wounds' inflicted on me by my 'Bremain' partner for voting Brexit. From what I've heard and read, I'm not alone.

I have to admit to finding it a little baffling, to have seen the demonstrations by some Bremainers, protesting at the result. It seems strange that so many educated folk, can't seem to grasp the concept of democracy. I can well remember back in the 80s, a certain Margaret Thatcher, following a very close vote on an important bill in parliament, proclaiming on TV news following her victory, that 'one's enough' I wonder what she'd make of the political situation in the UK today.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:16 AM   #252 (permalink)
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I'm still 'licking the wounds' inflicted on me by my 'Bremain' partner for voting Brexit. From what I've heard and read, I'm not alone.

I have to admit to finding it a little baffling, to have seen the demonstrations by some Bremainers, protesting at the result. It seems strange that so many educated folk, can't seem to grasp the concept of democracy. I can well remember back in the 80s, a certain Margaret Thatcher, following a very close vote on an important bill in parliament, proclaiming on TV news following her victory, that 'one's enough' I wonder what she'd make of the political situation in the UK today.
We'll that's the marvellous thing about democracy, freedom to protest, freedom of speech, you can still speak out even if you're not happy with the result. I don't really understand why people are getting het up. Let them protest, the politicians have already said their won't be a second referendum, so what are they worried about? The margin of winning was only a million people and whilst the Leave side might feel great in their victory, they're going to have to understand as well that there are 14 odd million people who don't want this and they do have to be taken into account if the country is going to unite and move forward with Brexit. Just saying well, they lost they'll just have to put up with it isn't going to cut it.
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:45 AM   #253 (permalink)
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I agree with most of the points you raise. That's why I think it will be entirely appropriate, that the new PM must be able to negotiate on the basis of the fact that, as you point out, there is the large number of those wanting the status quo maintained. Wether this will be Theresa May, or Andrea Leadsom, my preferred candidate, is anyone's guess.
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Old 07-10-2016, 03:05 PM   #254 (permalink)
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This has been an interesting read. I voted to remain in the EU in 1975 and since that time have enjoyed the ease with which I can travel around Europe visiting swapmeets, aviation shows, flea markets etc and then not have to hide my contraband upon re-entry to the UK.

We have no sales tax in Europe only Vat. UK Dealers selling at shows in Europe have until now been able to pay any Vat that charged outside the UK, to their home registered country (UK). Not now I fear.

Having just turned 70, I must have been one of the few old farts to vote "Remain". Simple reason being the consequences of a Brexit were just to complicated to fathom out. I just could not pretend that it would all be ok on the night.....far too involved. Better the devil you know and its easier to make changes from within.

How could a man in the street possibly make an intelligent decision on the best way forward ? Its like asking him for a decision on the formula for a rocket fuel based on the simple fact that all he knows is that he wants to go faster.

A portion of the vote was bound to have been a class structured protest and knee jerk reaction to the government without any due thought of the consequences. The 52% / 48% split was very close to make such a drastic change.

But there you go, voting on such complicated issues in future should maybe restricted to those with a reasonably high IQ !

With any luck, Parliament won't pass the bill that is required for the exit to take place. After all, most MP's are not Brexiteers, so why should they vote against their conscience?
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Old 07-10-2016, 03:40 PM   #255 (permalink)
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An email I received from a friend in France on June 24th:

Bonjour Graham,

I do not know if you voted for Brexit, but I can tell you that we French would love to get out of this basket of crabs that is Europe.

What luck you have to be heard and respected! When we voted against Europe in 2005 to over 54%, our leaders have not given to us what we want, proving that we are not really in a democracy ...

Have a good day.
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Well, it looks like the USA and the UK will have 2 ladies running their respective countries!

It will be interesting if officials will address Bill Clinton as 'First Gentleman'?
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Old 07-13-2016, 03:14 PM   #257 (permalink)
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With any luck, Parliament won't pass the bill that is required for the exit to take place. After all, most MP's are not Brexiteers, so why should they vote against their conscience?
No, sorry Graham but I have to disagree with you on that. The referendum result is what it is, wether we, or the government, like it or not, the people have spoken. I've never liked the idea of referenda, in my opinion, it's a sign of weak governance. Very few of us were qualified to make the choice given, I certainly wasn't I know that, but I don't believe in abstention. The government, not one I voted for, made a manifesto promise to hold this referendum, and it has honoured that promise. Parliament has a duty to carry out the wishes of the majority in the referendum, who voted for Brexit, to do otherwise would IMO, be undemocratic, and the height of hypocrisy.
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Old 07-13-2016, 05:35 PM   #258 (permalink)
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Well, it looks like the USA and the UK will have 2 ladies running their respective countries!

It will be interesting if officials will address Bill Clinton as 'First Gentleman'?
She may or may not win, but she's no lady

Allegedly the Most corrupt person in government.
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Old 07-13-2016, 06:08 PM   #259 (permalink)
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She may or may not win, but she's no lady

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Agreed she is a lying crooked idiot

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Old 07-13-2016, 06:32 PM   #260 (permalink)
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Lol one of my friends here in the UK is definitely not pleased with May becoming PM calling her a facist [email protected]#$ch.
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Agreed she is a lying crooked idiot
That she is indeed...
But then again so is Drumpf.
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That she is indeed...
But then again so is Drumpf.
Yes but t**mp is the lesser of the 2 evils
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Yes but t**mp is the lesser of the 2 evils
There's no distinguishing when it comes to evil politicians.
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Agreed she is a lying crooked idiot
Hilary is so good that she can even make the US Attorney General allegedly lie to Congress members under oath!

Here ya go:
A meeting this week between Attorney General Loretta Lynch and former President Bill Clinton on board her plane; the AG with a straight face told congress under oath that she and Bill did not talk about Hilary's email scandal during their 30 minute private conversation on the plane! My guess is that they were exchanging cooking recipes!!

If anybody believes that she was telling the truth when grilled by congress; I'm guessing you believe in the 'tooth fairy' and 'Santa Claus' as well!
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I'm guessing Mr. Bill / aka First Gentlemen told the AG = if you want to keep your job in 2017 and beyond, here's what you are going to tell the panel. Allegedly Word for word. ! Way too easy to expose the 'real' exchange of words between them on that plane.
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Old 07-14-2016, 05:45 AM   #266 (permalink)
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All hail democracy! Oh wait....
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:10 PM   #267 (permalink)
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Aardvark, Until today, I had not heard of the Holden name.
Ford, Toyota and Holden are shutting down their Australian factories within the next year.

Without a domestic market to protect, import tariffs and the Luxury Car Tax should be abolished - what relevance do they still possess?

The LCT forces buyers to pay an extra 33 cents for every dollar the car costs over $64,000.

Similar taxes do not apply to luxury yachts, jewellery, watches, home entertainment systems, paintings, furs, antiques etc. - only cars.

The irony is that more Toyota's are affected by this tax than Mercedes-Benz's, Porsche's or Audi's.

The humble Toyota Prado would be $6,000 cheaper without the tax - it's costing regular, hard working families thousands of dollars.
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People that like to buy one of the above cited cars would buy them no matter what it costs.
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People that like to buy one of the above cited cars would buy them no matter what it costs.
Your 5-Series Touring costs $13,000 more under the LCT (~12% of the total price).
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I know. That's a lot of money.
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I know. That's a lot of money.
$45,000 of a $250,000 Porsche is LCT.

At least the Subaru Levorg isn't subjugated to the LCT and is free of import tariffs.
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