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Old 06-20-2016, 03:07 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Ok here's a question -how much can the Europeans count on the police and military to protect them should things get out of control?
Way too vague...

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Way too vague...

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Sweden and parts of London.
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Ok here's a question -how much can the Europeans count on the police and military to protect them should things get out of control?
Sorry, but this is quite a dumb question and it denotes one thing: the person who asked it doesen't know much about Europe at all.

As stated before, I am Romanian living in France since 1996 and working in France, Germany and Switzerland (which is not part of the EU but otherwise part of Europe). And as I lived in Romania for 18 years and here for 20 years, I can say that the relation between citizens and law enforcement in the named countries is very different.

In Romania people used to be afraid of police forces (a reminder of the communist time) and see them even now as corrupt. There's been much done but there is still a long way until police will be seen as somebody who can help and protect.

In France police is traditionally "the armed unit of the hated government", and it doesen't matter which party is running the country. It's kind of a sick relationship, and people most think the less police around the better it is, unless you need it. That's why some neigbourhoods in big cities are now "law free zones".

In Switzerland there is some fear and respect for policemen, but nobody loves them. As most Swiss people are more or less nationalists, they're happy to see police bothering those who look different. It's the only land in Europe where I often thought "thanks God that I am white and look normal by their standards". It's also kind of sad.

The most normal relationship to police have German people. After World War Two there had been a real effort made to get rid of the old "Gestapo"-image. "Der Polizist, dein Freund und Helfer" (the policeman, your frient and help) is now not only a slogan but also - at least in my eyes - reallity. They're always willing to help, they will come even at 2 o'clock in the morning for a small traffic accident, they will give you directions if you seem lost and they won't make you feel unconfortable.
Germany is the only land I know in Europe - and I visited most of them - where police forces are not working for or against citizens but there are being part of them.
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Old 06-20-2016, 07:50 AM   #104 (permalink)
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Sorry, but this is quite a dumb question and it denotes one thing: the person who asked it doesen't know much about Europe at all.

As stated before, I am Romanian living in France since 1996 and working in France, Germany and Switzerland (which is not part of the EU but otherwise part of Europe). And as I lived in Romania for 18 years and here for 20 years, I can say that the relation between citizens and law enforcement in the named countries is very different.

In Romania people used to be afraid of police forces (a reminder of the communist time) and see them even now as corrupt. There's been much done but there is still a long way until police will be seen as somebody who can help and protect.

In France police is traditionally "the armed unit of the hated government", and it doesen't matter which party is running the country. It's kind of a sick relationship, and people most think the less police around the better it is, unless you need it. That's why some neigbourhoods in big cities are now "law free zones".

In Switzerland there is some fear and respect for policemen, but nobody loves them. As most Swiss people are more or less nationalists, they're happy to see police bothering those who look different. It's the only land in Europe where I often thought "thanks God that I am white and look normal by their standards". It's also kind of sad.

The most normal relationship to police have German people. After World War Two there had been a real effort made to get rid of the old "Gestapo"-image. "Der Polizist, dein Freund und Helfer" (the policeman, your frient and help) is now not only a slogan but also - at least in my eyes - reallity. They're always willing to help, they will come even at 2 o'clock in the morning for a small traffic accident, they will give you directions if you seem lost and they won't make you feel unconfortable.
Germany is the only land I know in Europe - and I visited most of them - where police forces are not working for or against citizens but there are being part of them.
I'm in France too, IDF but originally from the USA. Been in France, 18 years.

Its different in the capital.

I think city/local police are generally accepted, I think there was more fear about the Gendarmerie as they are a branch of the military and generally more authoritative and less friendly. After the terror attacks last November the Gendarmerie/CRS are generally gaining wider acceptance now. People are happier to see them on the train stations than not see them.

After what happened last November I am somewhat glad the police are being tougher. I think a poison was allowed to fester here too long, and it has to be dealt with brutally.

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This is right.
The problem is - and as you lived in France as long as I did, you probably noticed it too - the French people have a problem with accepting part of the laws and their representative. Of course they're happy to feel protected, but they still hate local police (Police Municipale) when they get a ticket for parking in the wrong spot

I live in a 200 000-soul city and we have here all three: Police Municipale (city-own police), Police Nationale (state police, including CRS, Compagnie Republicaine de Sécurité) and Gendarmerie (country police, used to be a part of the army). Generally the Police Municipale are beeing seen as "cowboys" who can only give tickets and make traffic problems worse, the Police Nationale as the people which almost always come too late and the Gendarmerie as the rough army guys.
That's not exactly as I see them, because I try to "translate" the German point of view on the other side of the border. But there are many things which make French and German police different, and it's not only the fact that one drives a 30000€ Peugeot and the other a 90000€ Mercedes-Benz.
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As a matter of fact, me too.
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Money money money. How many ways are we going to try to fix a fundamentally defunct notion. When money is the driving point, whatever is trying to be accomplished will fail. Sorry folks, us good ol' humans have done a real number on ourselves and our planet. When you sit back and ask yourself - Have humans had a positive impact on this planet? What's your answer... I know mine. We are undeniably destroying it, doing nothing to make it better off then when we started stealing its resources for our greed. We would have been just fine if we kept it simple. But along the lines of development, we decided to serve ourselves. Now, we WASTE our lives attempting to recover some sort of moral decency. Yet, we kill each other over cents. We blew it, guys. Again, ask yourselves this: Are we headed in a better direction as a human race? It's all gone to hell.

It's beautiful to think nostalgically, and marvel over human accomplishments, human emotions, human dreams, the universe that holds us. I spend my time doing these things. I preach to young people. I let them discover the world which will beat them down in their older years.

The end goal for the time we have left on this planet, and God willing, on alternate living places, would be no races, no religions, no killings, no greed. BREXIT, superpowers, nuclear weapons, terror, food shortages, cancer - they don't fit into this possible reality.

If our mindset was fundamentally focused on a future of no greed borders, no borders, we would not be squabbling over taxes and memberships.

If our race simply cannot reach such lofty goals, so be it. Small states should produce their own goods, and simply trade locally. Revert to the past with the lessons learned of the global failures, battles, wars, greed.

mmarsh, thank you. As an American, I've learned a lot from you about BREXIT. I'm currently visiting beautiful Florence and feel honored to be more familiar with this subject than being in the sheltered USA.

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Adrian has hit the nail right on the head with that comment alone. Recently, some minister in the German government, made a rather pithy public comment, saying that the UK can forget about any kind if Norwegian type agreement with the EU, should we leave. I think that, that's a very good indicator of the great unease other member governments are feeling about the ramifications of a UK decision to leave, especially those such as Germany, who are now having to pick up the pieces and the tab for the 'come one, come all' migrant policy of Mrs Merkel.

She opened the floodgates, and caused a great many other member states a great many problems on their frontiers. As for Shengen? Well, what a mess that's become, just like the grand Euro currency project itself. Should we vote to leave the declining 'empire' otherwise known as the EU, it will be very interesting to see how many other member state's citizens decide they'd like a referendum too.

And THATS what scares the hell out of the 'grey suits' in Brussels the most.

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You have many good points in here and I agree with what you said about the incompetence of Mrs Merkel. It is also true that the EU is fearing a domino effect and Germany being heavily dependent on exporting goods need s a working EU. I also agree that the way Shengen and the Euro is organized is a mess. Valid points, unfortunately.. But, the world is not balck and white and countries like Switzerland and Norway pay each year hunderts of millions of Euros (true, look it up) to be participant in free trade. They pay a lot of money, can't decide anything and have to adat all EU standards to be a participant. Also, the UK will also have to face a domino effect as the UK might break apart when they exit. The EU only fears that their status quo is ending, the loser will be the people of the UK as they will lose a lot of benefits. Illegal people will find their way and they don't care about the EU or Shengen or whatever system.. Still, most immigrants that come to the UK are from former Commonwealth states - they have nothing to do with the EU. The UK could close its borders today for illegal immigrants as it is a sovereign state. UK will lose all the well educated people from the EU though as most affiliates in the UK will be closed and moved to the EU mainland. Before Mr. Hollande became preseident, he anounced a new tax for private equity firms in case he should be elected. On election day, all offices in Paris were shut down from these firms and they were moved to other cities in Europe like Frankfurt, Milan or even a couple went to Jersey. Money has no patriotism - it's gone when there is a better place elsewhere..
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LH, thanks for taking the trouble to put together that informative reply, I'm always ready to learn from others.

That said, it has not changed my mind, and I still intend to vote leave on Thursday. I have listened to all the megaphone scaremongering from all sides in this debate, if indeed you can call it that. I have taken note of all the claims and counter claims from both camps. For me, this has been one of the toughest election choices I've made, it's only because I feel that a spoiled ballot paper is one of the biggest 'sins' in a democracy, that I'm voting at all.

Based on what I've seen and heard on our media, I've seen the top 1%, the rich and famous celebrities, many of whom don't leven live here, and those individuals and companies living the high life by exploiting tax loop holes, extolling the virtues of staying in. This is not a decision I've made based on my envy of those listed above, I really couldn't care less about what they do or earn, or how they live, I simply disagree about a lot of what they say in connection with the referendum. I have also noted that there are many economists and business leaders who support leaving. Some of them have convincing arguments for their beliefs, others not so much.

I would be lying if I said that immigration has not played a part in my decision. It concerns me, and from what I've seen and heard, a huge number of other voters too.
I and many others have looked for assurances from the remain campaign on the issue, and found none. Only this morning it has surfaced that one of our Prime Minister's own civil servants warned him some time ago, that his electoral promises on figures of a cap on immigration were not possible.

All in all then, for me it's a real case of Hobson's Choice. I think that just as interesting as the referendum itself, will be the licking of the wounds, which will have been inflicted on some politicians of both sides. I think this will be more prevelant within the Tory Party. However, I think that Labour will have its own share of 'fur' to sweep up too. I can see many bowls of humble pie having to be digested come Friday.

That's my lot, the soapbox has been put away. Good Lord! Could it be that British politics has become interesting again? Well, for a short time anyway, but that's the lot on this issue from me. Happy polling everyone!

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Money money money. How many ways are we going to try to fix a fundamentally defunct notion. When money is the driving point, whatever is trying to be accomplished will fail. Sorry folks, us good ol' humans have done a real number on ourselves and our planet. When you sit back and ask yourself - Have humans had a positive impact on this planet? What's your answer... I know mine. We are undeniably destroying it, doing nothing to make it better off then when we started stealing its resources for our greed. We would have been just fine if we kept it simple. But along the lines of development, we decided to serve ourselves. Now, we WASTE our lives attempting to recover some sort of moral decency. Yet, we kill each other over cents. We blew it, guys. Again, ask yourselves this: Are we headed in a better direction as a human race? It's all gone to hell.

It's beautiful to think nostalgically, and marvel over human accomplishments, human emotions, human dreams, the universe that holds us. I spend my time doing these things. I preach to young people. I let them discover the world which will beat them down in their older years.

The end goal for the time we have left on this planet, and God willing, on alternate living places, would be no races, no religions, no killings, no greed. BREXIT, superpowers, nuclear weapons, terror, food shortages, cancer - they don't fit into this possible reality.

If our mindset was fundamentally focused on a future of no greed borders, no borders, we would not be squabbling over taxes and memberships.

If our race simply cannot reach such lofty goals, so be it. Small states should produce their own goods, and simply trade locally. Revert to the past with the lessons learned of the global failures, battles, wars, greed.

mmarsh, thank you. As an American, I've learned a lot from you about BREXIT. I'm currently visiting beautiful Florence and feel honored to be more familiar with this subject than being in the sheltered USA.

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my penny's worth..
the EU has many faults.. the Euro being one of them. they are no more.. or less 'undemocratic than our own electoral system which is so unfair to the voters views..
I'd sooner have the eu with its working time directives and health & safety, than trust the likes of Gove and Johnson in charge. There'd be a burning of workers righs and a sell off of anything that remains, in a race to the bottom; ensuring we are paid the least, and work the longest, while they all stash their money in panama.
The eu was prepared to have tariffs to protect steel, our own govt wasnt.. dont forget that, or that our govt voted against limiting banker bonuses..
so post Brexit.. we are going to be royally screwed..
i am voting remain..)
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my penny's worth..
the EU has many faults.. the Euro being one of them. they are no more.. or less 'undemocratic than our own electoral system which is so unfair to the voters views..
I'd sooner have the eu with its working time directives and health & safety, than trust the likes of Gove and Johnson in charge. There'd be a burning of workers righs and a sell off of anything that remains, in a race to the bottom; ensuring we are paid the least, and work the longest, while they all stash their money in panama.
The eu was prepared to have tariffs to protect steel, our own govt wasnt.. dont forget that, or that our govt voted against limiting banker bonuses..
so post Brexit.. we are going to be royally screwed..
i am voting remain..)
Thank God, Hitler didn't ask for a referendum in the UK instead of JUST invading...
EU fu..ed Greece but at least we said NO!!
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Greece fu..ed itself before and after joining the EU, and this for a very long time. There is no point in comparing Greece to the UK (or actually any other EU-country).
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Greece fu..ed itself before and after joining the EU, and this for a very long time. There is no point in comparing Greece to the UK (or actually any other EU-country).
Please, let someone from Europe to talk about it..you have no right..
and you have nothing to do with Mulhouse France!!
I could buy any Univercity title in your country, and anyone could.

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and you have nothing to do with Mulhouse France!!
I could buy any Univercity title in your country, and anyone could.
Wow, that's a statement.

Well, I didn't know that people can buy Uni diplomas in France. Sadly I didn't buy mine, but really worked for them back there in Strasbourg. For both of them.
And I really have a lot to do with Mulhouse, Alsace, because it is where I am now and where I have been for the past 14 years.
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I could buy any woman or uni diploma in your country Romania, not France..
Sadly, it seems Willigenburg was not the only troll in this forum.

Well, then you are lucky if you can buy yourself a woman and a diploma in Romania. I needn't. But I still don't see what all you cited above - Greece, Hitler, the uni diplomas and Romanian women have to do with the UK and Brexit. Lost in translation, maybe?

Don't bother to answer, it's not worth reading.
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As a matter of fact I didn't understand anything you wrote. It wasn't clear at all. But there are people here which can express themselves in a better manner, so it isn't a drama if one little troll can't make his point.

Now you will have several hours to try to make fun of yourself because I'm going with friends at the Fête de la Musique. It's just starting. So I'll read all of it later in the evening, if the admins didn't erase your crap till then. Have fun.
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I'd like to buy a French mechanical engineering degree. This one in Perth is seriously hard work.

Now that I think of it, French visual arts and cooking degrees would be great for wooing Francophile girls!
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Now that I think of it, French visual arts and cooking degrees would be great for wooing Francophile girls!
Sorry, but you can't buy a French mechanical engineering degree. You can buy a Romanian if you like!
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I'd like to buy a French mechanical engineering degree. This one in Perth is seriously hard work.

Now that I think of it, French visual arts and cooking degrees would be great for wooing Francophile girls!
Or maybe a degree in submarine technology.
They might be opportunities in the future.

And,

Are there still any tax collectors in Greece ?
The last trace we have of them suggest an extinction around the pre-Europe era.
Scientists are still trying to find proof of existence of tax paying greek Citizens before making a link.

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Or maybe a degree in submarine technology.
They might be opportunities in the future.
I'm currently doing an undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering but have thought about adding a maritime engineering degree to that too.

There are opportunities here for ship/submarine building and for building fossil fuel drilling platforms. Defence has just decided on buying French Barracuda-class submarines to replace our current Collins-class.

Acoustic engineering is the place to go: future high density residential development close to transport networks (trains, major roads etc.) will need acoustic engineers to make houses and apartments quieter places to live.

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When is it OK for a nation to give up its sovereignty?
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When you are invaded by 'liberating forces' post WWII. Or by colonial forces who declared the country theirs when they stepped off their ships.
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I always thought at some odd hours, especially late in the night, that I probably didn't study all I had to and getting a grade in acoustic engineering will be worth it. I somehow feel sorry for never doing it. That's mostly when the bills of the acoustic engineer I currently use land on my desk. As an Architect I do need one, for some or maybe now most projects and now I realise where a good part of my money goes...
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Scientists are still trying to find proof of existence of tax paying greek Citizens before making a link.
Well, people say, tax collectors are usually being seen in Greece when an EU control comission shows up, especially around airports and gov't buildings.

What hadn't been seen in quite a while are tax payers. That's the endangered species down there.
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I always thought at some odd hours, especially late in the night, that I probably didn't study all I had to and getting a grade in acoustic engineering will be worth it. I somehow feel sorry for never doing it. That's mostly when the bills of the acoustic engineer I currently use land on my desk. As an Architect I do need one, for some or maybe now most projects and now I realise where a good part of my money goes...
Mechanical engineering simply put is everything man made that moves, so I figured I could find at least one area that would hire me!

Architecture interested me but just didn't pull me in like engineering.
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I guess it started (in my case) with bulding model cities to go with my model railroad as a kid and never quite ended

When I studied in Strasbourg (starting from 1996) I wasn't allowed to work in France because Romania was at that time not in the EU and foreign students weren't allowed to work, so I used to work in a garage in Germany. I often said at that time, if the architecture business goes wrong, I'll probably open a garage of my own and earn my money this way...

This is probably also why I can't have one car like most people but kind of collect them, especially if they're mecanically different (but actually from the same brand).

Building the EU wasn't really easy but the EU-system, with its qualities and its many faults made me as an individual as I am today. It's not easy and never will be, but the EU is the best we Europeans can get. And as our own national "ideas" are stronger than many other things it will take a lot of time before the most of us will start to feel european more then French, German, Austrian, Italian, Hungarian, Romanian or else (or evenmore, more than Alsacian, Transylvanian, South-Tyrolean, etc.). Some people never will, and we have some examples here with the now retired Willigenburg and his Greek Alter-Ego.

But that's how it is, the difference makes us what we are. I definitly prefere 27 or 28 European countries with millions of people of different opinions than one North Korea where people were raised over generations to think in an unique way... Accepting that other people may think different ist the biggest liberty we got.
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This is probably also why I can't have one car like most people but kind of collect them, especially if they're mecanically different (but actually from the same brand).
You have a car collection? Cool! Any cars in particular?
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Well, you can hardly call it a "collection" because they come and go, but there are always three or four of them in the garage. I guess I'll show them in the "other hobbies"-thread, but you can get a picture of each one here.

There is of course my "regular" station-wagon I use every day; it's the fifth 5-Series I got since I started working in 2001-2002 and I bet the sixth one it's also going to be a "Fünfer Touring":



Beside this one I am working right now on two more special BMWs. One is a 1997-built Z3 2.8 Roadster (that's the one that came from Spartanburg in the USA) which stayed before for almost 15 years in a garage without really moving and it's now for the first time in its life enjoying the roads of Southern Germany (especially the Schwarzwald, if you know what I mean) It's a small rear-drive car with a perfect balance of steadyness and power (6-cylinder petrol engine):



The other one is my ex-girlfriends ex-car a 1999 3-Series Compact. It was almost ruined since it was her first car and what she did to it would have destroyed several other automobiles, but somehow it stayed in one piece and as she replaced it (and wanted to send it to the junk yard) I took it and decided to give it a try to spend its old days in a better way. Almost everything needs replacement (and as it's being parked in the streets of Mulhouse it's actually getting worse every day ) but it's the perfect small rear-drive car for drifting in snow in winter:

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'Remain' is akin to being in prison! You know you have a bed and will get fed and watered, but you have to obey the rules, will get punished and there is no escape.....until now!

How many failing EU countries do we have to bail out financially, how many countries will join the EU and allow their people to freely come to the UK?

In one of the referendum debates, David Cameron said he sits near the desk that Winston Churchill said his speeches about 'not running away, but staying and fighting'. If we stayed and lost, Germany would be ruling the whole of Europe today including the UK. Do we really have to stay and fight again to achieve democracy?
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Nice cars - you're definitely a BMW fan.

I only have one car so far: a 2010 Ford Falcon G6. She makes a little more than 195 kW from a 4.0 L Inline-6 engine delivering power to the rear wheels through an automatic ZF 6-speed transmission.



Nothing too spectacular but she was relatively cheap considering the car was in immaculate condition and the previous owner, an elderly woman, had only put 45,000 km (28,000 mi) on the odometer in 5 years of ownership.
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Hi Aardvark,

Nice car. You see how little I know about Australian models, I alway thought the front with clear headlights and big Ford-sign came only a couple of years ago, not in 2010

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Wow, why would an elderly woman buy a 4.0 engine? In good old Europe the same elderly woman would probably drive an Opel Corsa with some 35 kW or so...

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At least with the ZF (this means "Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen", it's not far from here on the edge of the lake of Constance) 6-gear automatic, rear-wheel-drive and 6. cil. engine you got the same feeling as in a BMW. My 5-Series has also the same features, but as most big BMW sold in Europe it's a "straigt" 6 cilinder Diesel. The Z3 and 3er Compact run on petrol (by the way, do you say "petrol" or "gasoline" back there in Australia?
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Well, people say, tax collectors are usually being seen in Greece when an EU control comission shows up, especially around airports and gov't buildings.

What hadn't been seen in quite a while are tax payers. That's the endangered species down there.
Be sure that my taxes are payed before I get my salary. I think this is called tax deduction, but feel free to correct me

You said that different opinions are allowed and this makes EU better than North Korea. Different opinions and cultures was not an issue for EU before but all I can see is that there is no democracy in many countries, because of EU. These countries used to have democracy before EU but not anymore.

EU of black-mailing in daily bases, suppression of human rights, unemployment etc is not what I dreamed of and I will never accept it.

A dictatorship does not diserve to last just because some of us have benefit from it.
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I always thought the front with clear headlights and big Ford-sign came only a couple of years ago, not in 2010.
The transparent headlights covers have been in use for about 15 years on Ford Falcons. They all share the same 4-light design just with different shapes of headlight covers.

The 4-light design reminds me of Jumba from the Lilo and Stitch cartoon.



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Wow, why would an elderly woman buy a 4.0 engine? In good old Europe the same elderly woman would probably drive an Opel Corsa with some 35 kW or so...
I actually asked myself that same question.

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(by the way, do you say "petrol" or "gasoline" back there in Australia?
Like Europe, we still call it petrol. We have 91RON, 95RON and 98RON options though (which I think is different to Europe?). E10 and E85 are slowly being introduced.
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In some European countries like Germany and Austria we have 100RON+ petrol, like the 102RON at ARAL in Germany (ARAL is now a BP-subsidiary but still enjoys some "local" freedom) and 100RON at ÖMV in Austria.

It's funny because all petrol BMW also run with 91 (regular) or 95 (super) but they recomend "at least 98". The user's manual of the Z3 (in German, printed 1997) specifies "the best results as of performance and mileage are with 98 or more".

And it's true: tank 102 in it, it will run 230+ km/h (not only on the clock but also GPS-mesured); with 95 or even 98 it will run exactly the 218-220 the book gives.

I know, the Z3 is not made to run at 230+, it's a Roadster and it enjoys mountain roads a lot more than motorways ("fun is not a straight line") but you got to see from time to time what your car still can and since most German motorway are not limited...
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This reminds me that I owned a Ford once... And it also had clear headlights.

It was my first car back in the Mid- or End-1990ies, a German built Ford Ka. It was Ford's smallest car at that time, based on the larger Fiesta (and as such inheriting its good running qualities). With a little work done even the (not so small) 1,3L 4-cilinder and 8-valve (!!!) engine could bring the almost 1 ton Ka to a respectable 175 km/h. Standard it was less than 160.

I had it for some 3 years in which we run some almost incredible 493.000km togehter (and if some stupid Mini Cooper hadn't run in to it at full speed on the motorway I guess the old thing would still be in my garage today)

I took the picture at the second level of the Architecture School in Strasbourg (not PA but Alsace), I won a bet at that time that I can get the car high into the building

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One thing that continous to baffle me is are the rosy glasses through which the Brexit people tend to view the past in the UK. Perhaps some dose of reality below is required.

Post war 1940s, food rationing and poverty.
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Just like Trump is hammering on making the US great again, exactly what era do the Brexit people want to return to. Seems to me the UK is doing a lot better now compared to the past 50 or 60 years.
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One thing that continous to baffle me is are the rosy glasses through which the Brexit people tend to view the past in the UK. Perhaps some dose of reality below is required.

Post war 1940s, food rationing and poverty.
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1960s slums of Glasgow
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1970s slums of Liverpool
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Just like Trump is hammering on making the US great again, exactly what era do the Brexit people want to return to. Seems to me the UK is doing a lot better now compared to the past 50 or 60 years.
Exactly. People that think the UK would be better off out of the EU should take a look at the British economy the last time it really was out of the EU.
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Post war 1940s, food rationing and poverty.
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1970s slums of Liverpool
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The black & white pictures make it so dramatic.
Hilarious.
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The transparent headlights covers have been in use for about 15 years on Ford Falcons. They all share the same 4-light design just with different shapes of headlight covers.

The 4-light design reminds me of Jumba from the Lilo and Stitch cartoon.





I actually asked myself that same question.



Like Europe, we still call it petrol. We have 91RON, 95RON and 98RON options though (which I think is different to Europe?). E10 and E85 are slowly being introduced.
I totally see why you think it looks like jumba
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Here is Saz, a BMW 318 IE, the best car I have ever owned. I bought her new in 1989, from a BMW dealer in what was then West Berlin. I drove her back to the UK the following day. Even after settling the relevant obligatory bills, VAT etc, having her converted to RHD, and re-registering her, I still saved a little under £4,000 on the price, for the identical car here in the UK. At this time, this design of the '3 Series' was being replaced, and as I wanted this particular version, the only brand new one in red that I could locate, was in Germany.

I drove her until 2009. This picture was taken three months before I sold her. Unfortunately, she was just wearing out. I covered around 240,000 miles in her over that time, she was a little gem.

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Hello Neil,

I must say, even after all this time Saz looked very good!

The E30, as well as the E36, are some of the most rugged cars BMW ever produced. The "small" 4 cilinder engines (316i, 318i) were almost identical and I know some owners who passed the 300.000 miles-limit on them without any major technical problems. They were not very powerful (not like a 6.cil-325i) but sturdy.

Of course I don't know the background history, but I would have kept Saz, even it was asking for parts. E30 are now getting harder and harder to get - probably because the youngest ones (except Cabrios and Tourings) are 26 years old.
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Thanks for your kind words. I would dearly have liked to have kept her, but in early 2009, I suffered a brain bleed, and the resulting loss of a substantial part of my vision, resulted in my driving licence being permanently taken from me. It was hard to see her sitting on my driveway, knowing I could never drive her again. I sold her to a member of the U.K. BMW Owners Club. The new owner replaced the engine, and as far as I know, Saz cruises the highways still, but a long way from me!

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Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope everything is ok for you now - I mean, as well as somebody can be after goint through such a experience!

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I hope that too, because I really like how Saz looked like, even in its old days. You don't see many E30 with good looking - and in an original state - bodywork nowadays.
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Well, I look at this way, at least I'm still here, there are others worse than me, and some don't survive at all. I met some others at rehabilitation. One guy was only ten years old, and was left almost totally blind, and unable to walk, although I did hear that he made good progress towards some form of recovery, so I count my blessings every day. I had no warning that this was coming, one of life's curve balls for sure!

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Well, I did have some bad experiences in my live but none like that. I wouldn't wish it to anyone. I'm glad you got over it and, as you say, are still here.

I'd say Saz looks from behind as good as from the front

I also have one from behind - one of my little Z3 - as it's a 2.8 it has the "big butt" (this body was used only for the 2.8 and the 3.2 Z3M, the 4-cil. versions have the "small butt")

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