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Old 06-14-2016, 08:09 AM   #51 (permalink)
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The housing crisis isn't a result of uncontrolled immigration, it's a result of dithering governments for the past 30 odd years that have no coherent housing policy and shackling councils with the whole right to buy scheme which means there's a severe shortage of social housing.
Exactly. Thanet is a point in case of the ridiculous amount of power local council has in the UK where it can stop all development of housing and jobs because of a few demagogues. The way in which council is allowed to interfere with free enterprise in the UK is a Stalinist joke.
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But surely, these councils are representing the views of the electorate who put them into office. Are you saying that council level democracy is a bad thing?

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Old 06-14-2016, 09:38 AM   #53 (permalink)
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I am still waiting one someone to explain the merits of BREXIT. Other than you stop paying membership fees. All I have read all the comments so far and I'll I see are campaign slogans, but no real math. and no actual facts.

For example here are 4 questions the BREXITEERS do not seem to have an answer for:

1. When the UK is kicked out of European Single Market Economy (which both the French AND German Governments said would happen) how on earth does it plan to trade with Europe? France and Germany are the UK's top trading partner, its exports to the EU represent 40% of its total exports. Can someone please explain how they plan to do business in Europe without being tariffed into the next century? BREXIT would impact only the smaller EU countries the most (Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland) the big European economies are not nearly as reliant on the UK as they think they are. Listening to EXITERS, I get the impression that they think Germany and France are going to crumble if BREXIT passes, I actually think its the other way around. I can assure that here in Paris, while its a concern nobody is losing any sleep about it except in my particular company which is UK based.

2. The cornerstone of the British economy is its financial services industry. It is able to trade with the EU via a system called "passporting" which means the EU recognizes a financial institutions and UK regulators right to do business in other EU countries. If BREXIT passes the UK loses it EU "Passport" it can no longer trade within the EU. Full stop. That's not scaremongering, that's a fact. You cannot expect the UK to continue to gain the benefits of the EU without paying its dues. The EU is a business deal, not a free lunch.

The only way around that is for Britain to join the EEA, which means the UK would have to comply with ALL EU and regulations (the very ones it objects to) BUT it would have absolute no say in the creation of these regulations. By remaining in the EU, the UK has a seat in the negotiation table of how the EU is run, if it leaves it either loses that right or does trade at all. Pick your poison.

3. Scotland.

Adios, arrivederci, au revoir, auf wiedenshen...or to use a Scottish phrase "Bye for nooo"...

If the UK leaves the EU, Scotland leaves the UK. Scotland stayed part of the UK by a narrow margin in 2014, but leaving the EU would financially devastate Scotland as it benefits enormously from the EU. If there is one way to piss someone off is to hit them in the wallet. Not only would Scotland leave the UK, it would join the EU on its own, and the rest of the UK would have an EU country on its northern border. Think of it.

4. Immigration: Immigration wont get better, it will get worse. Right now EU rules state that immigrants from non-EU countries have to be detained in the country they are detained in. Since these immigrants want to move to the UK that means countries like Greece, Italy, France, Germany have to keep them and cannot dump them over the border to be someone else's problem. This actually works out well for the UK, as it means they don't have to lift a finger, other countries do all the dirty work for them.

If the UK leaves the EU, those other EU countries are under no obligation to continue to host these migrants/refugees. Right now there are tens of thousands of Afghans, Somalis, Syrians, Ethiopians stuck in the Pas de Calais by French authorities. The day BREXIT passes these people could start arriving in KENT as France is no longer under any obligation to prevent them from leaving.

As for Eastern European migration, frankly thats just silly. The UK (espicially the London area) has a severe shortage of blue collar labour (plumbers, electricans, masons) and even some skilled professionals like GPs are in demand. The UK is actively trying to recruit French doctors to take jobs in British hospitals, the need is so acute. When would you shoot yourself in the foot? Answer is Xenophobia. You need these people.

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Another poor deluded soul.
Whether you agree with the man or not, he at least stated his opinion, brought some facts and numbers to back up his opinion, and the best you can do is make snide personal attacks as a response.

I'd be wary of whom you call "deluded".
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Cheers lads. I may not be 100% up on all the pros and cons of all of this, but then I think very few are, but atleast I can make an educated decision. Never understood the need for slinging insults at someone simply because they disagree with you.
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Cheers lads. I may not be 100% up on all the pros and cons of all of this, but then I think very few are, but atleast I can make an educated decision. Never understood the need for slinging insults at someone simply because they disagree with you.
Nicely put. However, as things stand at the moment, I'm still voting to leave. Initially, I was leaning toward staying in. I have been looking at the 'participants' running both campaigns, looking for reassurance about this country's future. So far, amidst the mud slinging and scaremongering I've found none. It's only because I strongly feel that our votes should never be wasted, that I'm voting at all, and not that either side has truly convinced me of their respective cases.

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Adrian has hit the nail right on the head with that comment alone. Recently, some minister in the German government, made a rather pithy public comment, saying that the UK can forget about any kind if Norwegian type agreement with the EU, should we leave. I think that, that's a very good indicator of the great unease other member governments are feeling about the ramifications of a UK decision to leave, especially those such as Germany, who are now having to pick up the pieces and the tab for the 'come one, come all' migrant policy of Mrs Merkel.

She opened the floodgates, and caused a great many other member states a great many problems on their frontiers. As for Shengen? Well, what a mess that's become, just like the grand Euro currency project itself. Should we vote to leave the declining 'empire' otherwise known as the EU, it will be very interesting to see how many other member state's citizens decide they'd like a referendum too.

And THATS what scares the hell out of the 'grey suits' in Brussels the most.

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Thanks Neil. Whilst our NHS is busy recruiting doctors from EU countries, the Baltic States hardly have enough left to treat their own people and want OUT. Likewise all the skilled labour is draining Poland and they would like to leave. The Euro is failing Italy and has failed Greece. How many other EU countries will we have to prop up and bail out if we remain?
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Thanks Neil. Whilst our NHS is busy recruiting doctors from EU countries, the Baltic States hardly have enough left to treat their own people and want OUT. Likewise all the skilled labour is draining Poland and they would like to leave. The Euro is failing Italy and has failed Greece. How many other EU countries will we have to prop up and bail out if we remain?
The EU failed Italy (and Spain) because when they were being considered for membership they cooked the books (with the help of Goldman Sachs) and portrayed an economic image of themselves that was quite far from the truth. Greece did exactly the samething, and compounded their error by offering its citizens a socialist lifestyle their economy couldn't afford.

If countries cheat on the books and spend money they do not have, that is not the fault of the EU. The truth is had these countries been honest they never would have been allowed to join. Whose fault is that really?

The EU made one great error, that is they should have kept it to Western and Northern Europe. Its the fact that they expanded into Eastern and Southern Europe and too fast that it has such problems.
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Why do you think the UK will be isolated and banned from trading with europe if they get out?

If that is the case does that not show the true and evil nature of the EU?
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If that is the case does that not show the true and evil nature of the EU?
L O L. This was the best of the year.

No, it just shows that the EU, as the USA and most other unions, do not apply the same travel, trade, transfer etc. regulations inside and outside. You don't get the same advantages when you're not any more part of it, you have to renegociate all of them. That's the point of being part of a union.

For simple-minded people, let's just say that the UK will be for the EU somewhere behind Serbia, Montenegro and Turkey. A privileged outside partner, but less important than the three quoted countries (because these want to became part of the EU and therefore they're up on the list). As for its inside market, the UK will be somehow similar to Russia, of course without the economical sanctions that now apply to Russia.

And this is also why I quoted the Swiss example of 1992. They had an arrangement with the EU, they dropped it, and now they have to negociate with every single State in the EU. But that's what their people wanted.

Once the UK is out they automatically will lose every advantage they have in the union and will have to negotiate everything, in most cases not only with the EU but with every one of the 27 other EU-Countries. Even if they want to export pencils to Lithuania. That's how an economical union works.

And this is also why Easy Jet and Ryanair will probably leave the UK and settle to an EU-Country if the UK leaves the EU.
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Just being curious, who is "we"?
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Just being curious, who is "we"?
The countries ,
France Belgium Netherlands

Our harbour regions are filling up with fugees that dont want to stay in the above stated countries because they see the golden mountains of British Social wellfare.

I am not joking either, i always had the idea my country was a walhala for fugees but we are not good enough anymnore

read please

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Sorry pal, "I'm" France too. And nobody stays here in Alsace "already packed" to be send to the poor little UK. You are dreaming.

But as long as you're speaking of "the golden mountains of British Social wellfare" it must be ok to you. Just a question: when have you lived in GB or in the UK for the last time and for how long?
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Sorry pal, "I'm" France too. And nobody stays here in Alsace "already packed" to be send to the poor little UK. You are dreaming.

But as long as you're speaking of "the golden mountains of British Social wellfare" it must be ok to you. Just a question: when have you lived in GB or in the UK for the last time and for how long?

It is not me that has this illusion
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Of course you are, you ar posting it here. You can not switch your mind into some other people's head, even if you think you can.

Keep dreaming, I gotta go to work. To earn my money and keep the sytem functioning.
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The EU failed Italy (and Spain) because when they were being considered for membership they cooked the books (with the help of Goldman Sachs) and portrayed an economic image of themselves that was quite far from the truth. Greece did exactly the samething, and compounded their error by offering its citizens a socialist lifestyle their economy couldn't afford.

If countries cheat on the books and spend money they do not have, that is not the fault of the EU. The truth is had these countries been honest they never would have been allowed to join. Whose fault is that really?

The EU made one great error, that is they should have kept it to Western and Northern Europe. Its the fact that they expanded into Eastern and Southern Europe and too fast that it has such problems.
May be some truth behind it but you're mixing things up. Italy has been a founding member of EU (CECA).
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Unemployment at lowest levels in over 10 years...

UK unemployment rate at lowest since 2005 - BBC News

But obviously those facts won't stand in the way of the "Auslander Raus" demagoges...
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Unemployment at lowest levels in over 10 years...

UK unemployment rate at lowest since 2005 - BBC News

But obviously those facts won't stand in the way of the "Auslander Raus" demagoges...
My personal opinion is that Brexit and the situation across the pond has minimal (if any in fact) to do with economics at all.

My conention is that it is more based on pure bigotry.
More specific, the view that Muslims as a group are all terrorists or that it is just a matter of time before each one shows their true colours and commits heinous acts of terrorism.

Supporers seem to 'fear' that immigrants are only there for 2 reasons.
1 - As terrorists
2 - As leeches as there is no way that anyone from countries affected by ISIS/ISIL could be educated and have great business ideas.

They don't consider that those fleeing as refugees are doing so because they don't support daesh at all and want to get as far away from them as possible. They are educated persons who can contribute in creating even more jobs and wealth for the EU because they will be free to express their ideas and not be hindered by the political / thought-police restrictions in their home countries.

The above is actually ironic if one considers that the trend in Britain and the US is to become more intrusive in the lives of their citizens and personal freedoms are heading the same direction as the countries they escape from.

Granted, there might be infiltraters in the groups who does sympathize with the terrorists. But you cannot paint everyone with the same brush. It is up to the intelligence agencies to identify the troublemakers and act according to the law with them.

So fear is the driving force in this whole process.

It is actually a thinly veiled racism involved as well. Economy is just used as an excuse.
The facts be damned. You can state as much as you want, that is not what will be determining the X on voting/referrendum day.
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All that I've seen on our media today, is more scripted mudslinging from both sides. Day after day it's the same, it's worse than kids in a playground. I'm getting well and truly 'brassed off' with the lot of 'em. I shall be well and truly glad when this damn thing is over. As I said earlier, I'm a firm believer in never wasting your vote, so as it stands today, I shall be voting to come out.

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All that I've seen on our media today, is more scripted mudslinging from both sides. Day after day it's the same, it's worse than kids in a playground. I'm getting well and truly 'brassed off' with the lot of 'em. I shall be well and truly glad when this damn thing is over. As I said earlier, I'm a firm believer in never wasting your vote, so as it stands today, I shall be voting to come out.

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Why do you think the UK will be isolated and banned from trading with europe if they get out?

If that is the case does that not show the true and evil nature of the EU?
You really don't get it. The EU is mainly a business deal (with a few other things). The BREXITEERS seem to think they can keep what they like about the EU (Single Market) and discard the rest (EU Fees).

It doesn't work that way. If you leave the the EU you are out completely. No EU fees..no free EU Market access its that simple.

The EU is not going to hand out free lunches.

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You are in France?
And going to work?

Wow you are special ;-)
Remind me again, as I am a bit fuzzy on the dates you set....
When will your emmigration to Russia be complete?

Then you will not be part of the EU anymore and can give your honest impressions of how much better life is under Putin than the awfull conditions you labour under at the moment.
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Unemployment at lowest levels in over 10 years...

UK unemployment rate at lowest since 2005 - BBC News

But obviously those facts won't stand in the way of the "Auslander Raus" demagoges...
The question is whether its going to stay that way if BREXIT passes.

Already many companys (Deutsche Bank, JP Morgan) have stated they will be pulling out certain European markets because of BREXIT and other Companies are talking about moving operations to the Continent altogether.

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Remind me again, as I am a bit fuzzy on the dates you set....
When will your emmigration to Russia be complete?

Then you will not be part of the EU anymore and can give your honest impressions of how much better life is under Putin than the awfull conditions you labour under at the moment.
Why would you suggest that living in Russia under Putin is bad?
What makes you think that's the case?
It certainly does not harm me.

You dont need to be "fuzzy" on anything that has nothing to do with you.
It is a waist of your live time.
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You really don't get it. The EU is mainly a business deal (with a few other things). The BREXITEERS seem to think they can keep what they like about the EU (Single Market) and discard the rest (EU Fees).

It doesn't work that way. If you leave the the EU you are out completely. No EU fees..no free EU Market access its that simple.

The EU is not going to hand out free lunches.

The EU is a sucubus that will drain all money from powerfull countries to it's central power and waist it. It is the CCCP all over again.
How blind are u that you think your wallet will not be affected in the long run.

Brexit now feel the pain in the short run.
No brexit bleed to death and be overun by hordes of foreign powers that want to outbreed you.
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The question is whether its going to stay that way if BREXIT passes.

Already many companys (Deutsche Bank, JP Morgan) have stated they will be pulling out certain European markets because of BREXIT and other Companies are talking about moving operations to the Continent altogether.
All threats ...Deutsche bank has its balls on the block if more countries follow a brexit....It is fear. They are afraid.

Yes britain will get hurt , it will cause short term ****e.
But England will rise above it.
It always has.

Have some freeking guts and honour and believe in your flag.
And stop looking at your own wallet.
Save your country from a demographic disaster.

It is not only the EU financial disaster , it is also the waves and hordes of un educated un employable followers of the religion of ..... That will have opendoors.
England already has a mayor problem with that.
Staying in EU will make it worse, you will have no say so over how to wipe your arses if you stay in.
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Here our beloved EU fourth reich creator , sure its from 2015.
But it just shows who pulls the strings in Europe
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Save your country from a demographic disaster.

It is not only the EU financial disaster , it is also the waves and hordes of un educated un employable followers of the religion of ..... That will have opendoors.
England already has a mayor problem with that.
Staying in EU will make it worse, you will have no say so over how to wipe your arses if you stay in.
Thank you for making the point of my earlier post.
I couldn't have shown it more clearly.

By the way, I classify you as a racist and a bigot.
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PS: You talk the talk about Britain exiting the EU, but you yourself previously said that you will move to Russia to get out of the dreaded fascist EU.
It is easy to talk the talk, but I don't see you put action to your words.
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Why would you suggest that living in Russia under Putin is bad?
What makes you think that's the case?
It certainly does not harm me.

You dont need to be "fuzzy" on anything that has nothing to do with you.
It is a waist of your live time.
I'll answer that by a joke I know.

Brit, a Frenchman and a Russian are viewing a painting of Adam and Eve frolicking nude in the Garden of Eden.

"Look at their reserve, their calm," muses the Brit. "They must be British."

"Nonsense," the Frenchman disagrees. "They're naked, and so beautiful. Clearly, they are French."

"No clothes, no shelter," the Russian points out, "they have only an apple to eat, and they're being told this is paradise. They are definitely Russian."
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[QUOTE=eugenevh;1963666]Thank you for making the point of my earlier post.
I couldn't have shown it more clearly.

By the way, I classify you as a racist and a bigot.
Here is your badge, wear it proudly.

PS: You talk the talk about Britain exiting the EU, but you yourself previously said that you will move to Russia to get out of the dreaded fascist EU.
It is easy to talk the talk, but I don't see you put action to your words
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Luckely you are of insignificant meaning to me.
So your badge is worthless to me

Actually because of your name calling i decided not to anwer you at all anymore.
I want you to go to your timeout corner and think about what you have said.
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I'll answer that by a joke I know.

Brit, a Frenchman and a Russian are viewing a painting of Adam and Eve frolicking nude in the Garden of Eden.

"Look at their reserve, their calm," muses the Brit. "They must be British."

"Nonsense," the Frenchman disagrees. "They're naked, and so beautiful. Clearly, they are French."

"No clothes, no shelter," the Russian points out, "they have only an apple to eat, and they're being told this is paradise. They are definitely Russian."

thats actually funny
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Here our beloved EU fourth reich creator , sure its from 2015.
But it just shows who pulls the strings in Europe
Ah yes the EVIIIIIILLLLL USA, how could I have forgotten? And I am sure your friends at the Kremlin wouldn't hurt a fly except by polonium-210.
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Ah yes the EVIIIIIILLLLL USA, how could I have forgotten? And I am sure your friends at the Kremlin wouldn't hurt a fly except by polonium-210.
How do the French kill themselves?
They shoot 15 centimeters above their heads, right in their superiority complex
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They shoot 15 centimeters above their heads, right in their superiority complex
There is nothing wrong with having a superiority complex if you are surrounded by idiots.
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spoken like a true frenchmen
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Except I am an American.
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Except I am an American.
In that case you have my deepest sympahty.

I did write 'spoken "like" a true frenchmen.
So you dont need to be french
You can however speak "like"one even if your not

Semantics... Aaah whatever.
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Here our beloved EU fourth reich creator , sure its from 2015.
But it just shows who pulls the strings in Europe
Stop with your drama, already.
No one gives a damn about you leaving, just vote no and bugger off,
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And here's to you

You sure now how to make friends and influence people.

The above just just shows the maturity you exhibit.

I can understand why it is difficult for you to live in a modern society.
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Hi there,

Well, I'm sure damn happy that I went to work and missed all the fun this afternoon. This way there was no risk of me answering here and cutting off all the good stuff.

I happen to be one of these people who really belive in Europe (not only the EU but the idea of Europe itself). Romanian born, French educated, I started my own business after finishing the university in Alsace - itself an european province which was for many centuries as well part of the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation, of France, of Germany and then of France again, with a couple of more switches in between. I have my business in France and work mostly with companies in Germany and Switzerland and - by the way - love to go and drink a good Bavarian white beer in Südbaden almost every afternoon. And still have - and I'm proud of it - the good old Romanian passport with the twelve stars on it. I collect and build model trains, model airplanes and also Bavarian cars but in scale 1:1 Can there be something more European than this? You tell me.

It's sad to see that some people get to such a low level as in the picture above when they run out of better arguments. After all, it is a Forum dedicated to model aircraft and this is one thing we all here have in common. Sadly there are lots of things that some of us do not have in common.

Thanks Mathieu, I didn't know there was an "ignore list" here. I will make good use of it, as I really cannot stand basic rasists and people which are narrow minded. Not in the real life and not in an Internet-based community.
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Willenburg is on my ignore list for a long time now. Really makes for easier reading.
Responding that i am on your ignore list is not realy ignoring is it silly.
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Hi there,

Well, I'm sure damn happy that I went to work and missed all the fun this afternoon. This way there was no risk of me answering here and cutting off all the good stuff.

I happen to be one of these people who really belive in Europe (not only the EU but the idea of Europe itself). Romanian born, French educated, I started my own business after finishing the university in Alsace - itself an european province which was for many centuries as well part of the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation, of France, of Germany and then of France again, with a couple of more switches in between. I have my business in France and work mostly with companies in Germany and Switzerland and - by the way - love to go and drink a good Bavarian white beer in Südbaden almost every afternoon. And still have - and I'm proud of it - the good old Romanian passport with the twelve stars on it. I collect and build model trains, model airplanes and also Bavarian cars but in scale 1:1 Can there be something more European than this? You tell me.

It's sad to see that some people get to such a low level as in the picture above when they run out of better arguments. After all, it is a Forum dedicated to model aircraft and this is one thing we all here have in common. Sadly there are lots of things that some of us do not have in common.

Thanks Mathieu, I didn't know there was an "ignore list" here. I will make good use of it, as I really cannot stand basic rasists and people which are narrow minded. Not in the real life and not in an Internet-based community.
Proudly talking about the alsace how european it is.(just some small switches)
The cause of miljons of deaths in two world wars.
They also tried to forcefully forge europe and it lead to war.
As will this attempt.

As you are a small company owner i fully understand why u are so pro european.
If there is one Pro to the EU that i can think of it is that i can shop anyware for better prices. But this also comes at the cost of my local shop keeper who cant lower prices because of higher local taxes.

Yet as human as i am i always look at my own wallet.
So my local shop keeper goes bottoms up.
Because it turns out all his customers buy products in germany and france.
Shop owner goes on wellfare and costs the state money.

State knocks on brussels doors that it cant keep its gdp up.
Brussels sends them money.
Eventually the other thriving shop keeper needs to pay higher taxes aswell.
As his country needs to start filling the gaps.

And so we slowely turn in to a CCCP were all countries have the same high tax and no one is selling anything anymore because it has gotten to expensive for people to buy stuff.
And because of the high taxes shops need to let go of people , who become un employed and need wellfare.

This is the last ill write about it.
And i do wish you a prosperus time and good luck with your company.
I to buy my products in other countries if cheaper.
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Willenburg is on my ignore list for a long time now. Really makes for easier reading.
Don't be so harsh on him.
The bugger feels he is being outbred.

And, if Britain opts out, France has no obligation under European regulation to retain the England bound migrants. It can just open the gates of Calais and let all of them cross the Channel and reach the destination of their dreams.

First victim of the Brexiters : Jo Cox labour MP shot

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...nesses-report/

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Nice picture and colours.

The reason why your picture is meaningless is this:

1) You don't quote a source for the compiler of the picture.
Yes, it does say the "data source" is the European Commission.
But whow compiled this report and what information is not shown and why was it left out....
Was there any bias on the part of the compiler?

All that is important to make an educated descision on the validity of a schematic depiction.

Whilst I am no economist, my gut feeling tells me that that is not the whole picture.
What is not shown is the intagible benefits derived by the 'relatively more wealthy' countries from being part of the EU by spending money to uplift the 'less wealthy' portion of the Union.

We sit with a similar situation in South Africa, where a lot of the money needs to be spend on the previously disadvantaged areas in order to get everyone up to the same standard. Once that has been done, the uplifted areas should start contributing towards wealth generation for the entire country.

So too in the case of the EU. The eastern block countries at least was not as developed as the Western block and they require tremendous investment in order for them to grow to the same standard and be able to assist. It is a long term project which would derive a heck of a lot of benefits for all partners in the Union. But it will only work if people realizes the long term benefits.

The decrepiid state of Eastern Europe is something you should thank the USSR for.

What drives me up the wall is that you think that Putin is the saviour you think he is. Do you realize that he wants to build something similar in concept to the USSR (Make Russia great again. - Now where have I heard something like that recently - hmmm).

So a Union of states pulling in the same direction to achieve some goal....
That is awfully similar to the European Union is it not? Only thing is, there is not so much Democracy in Rusia and aligned states as you think there are....

But facts be damned...
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It really doesn't make much difference what Britain does on Brexit. Europe is going into the toilet and it will take less than 20 years to complete the process. Whether Britain is in the EU or out, very soon the US will be dealing with Arabs who will be running Europe. I'm sure we will have the same success the US has enjoyed in the Middle East to date, with the same people.

Our country needs to be careful not to piss off Putin, or the Chinese (which we seem to do on a regular basis), because while they are moving toward capitalist efficiency, the Europeans are sliding to the depths of socialist utopia (also know as Communism). Since the natural born Europeans don't want to be bothered with the responsibility of child rearing (it impacts their holiday time) they will soon get what they deserve - the complete loss of their culture!

That's the funny thing about total self-interest, political correctness and stupidity. They have a price and it will be fun to watch the Europeans pay that price over the next two decades.

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I'll answer that by a joke I know.

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"No clothes, no shelter," the Russian points out, "they have only an apple to eat, and they're being told this is paradise. They are definitely Russian."
Hahahaha! That's a great joke.
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Ok here's a question -how much can the Europeans count on the police and military to protect them should things get out of control?
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