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Old 10-20-2015, 12:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Wow! There is another Trudeau leading the Canadian government!

Liberals have nailed down a majority government! Leaping from 3rd spot to Numero Uno in 78 days. Stephen Harper (former PM) has resigned as the Conservative leader.

Guess the tracking polls were right on this one! Good night fellow Canucks! T7
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I'm not a Canadian citizen, but from what I understand of the politics over there, I'd class the Liberal victory as a positive development for the ordinary Canadian citizen.
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I'm not a Canadian citizen, but from what I understand of the politics over there, I'd class the Liberal victory as a positive development for the ordinary Canadian citizen.
Not quite. Canada was a strong World presence under the PC government. They weren't U.S. policy puppets and actually had the balls to not agree or follow the U.S. admin.
The PC gov promised to take in 10,000 Syrian migrants by next September under tight security screening. This new gov is promising to take 25,000 immediately and waste $250 million doing so. We all know how well that is working out across the pond. Canada can use the $250 million internally for our hospitals, schools and our war veterans.
The Liberals promised tax cuts for the middle class by raising the taxes for the upper class.
I hope they remember that the middle class depends on the upper class.
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Well, as I said, I'm not a Canadian, so I'm always ready to learn from others on the subject.
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Definitely a sad day for Canada!! We will see one year from now how much better life is for the average Canadian under a left leaning government! I'd better sell off the rest of my 70 cent Dollars while the rate is still this attractive.

All the great strides Canada has made on the world stage will soon be forgotten, as it reverts to the role of US puppet. Obola should be happy; one less LEADER to stand up to his ineptness!
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I voted for change and I am glad that I did so.
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Definitely a sad day for Canada!! We will see one year from now how much better life is for the average Canadian under a left leaning government! I'd better sell off the rest of my 70 cent Dollars while the rate is still this attractive.

All the great strides Canada has made on the world stage will soon be forgotten, as it reverts to the role of US puppet. Obola should be happy; one less LEADER to stand up to his ineptness!

The next time we want to hear from an Arsehole we can fart ourselves

Seems to hate democracy - the Canadian people have spoken, just like the majority in the US did by voting in the U.S. President not once but twice.

Just because to some the world revolves around Fox News in some little minds that doesn't make reality - I suggest for those to reach for the nurse-call button and have matron come around with a nice cup of tea and a blanket for afternoon nap
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Definitely a sad day for Canada!! We will see one year from now how much better life is for the average Canadian under a left leaning government! I'd better sell off the rest of my 70 cent Dollars while the rate is still this attractive.

All the great strides Canada has made on the world stage will soon be forgotten, as it reverts to the role of US puppet. Obola should be happy; one less LEADER to stand up to his ineptness!
Andrew, you are correct. In about a year the economy in Canada will be in the s*itcan. Their best days are behind them now.
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Trudeau is a very likeable politician, however I believe this will turn out to be a step backwards for the Canadian economy. The liberals outlined plan seems effective on paper but once you divulge into it, it's easy to see how flawed it really is. The Conservatives were much more realistic when making economic decisions and is the reason Canada was one of the least effected economies during the 2008 crisis. Canadians will realize this and see the effects in a few years.
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Well, I'm absolutely elated that Trudeau got in. The previous ten 'black years' are over. Our reputation on the world stage will improve, diplomatic relations will improve, the secretive, divisive, deceptive Conservative government practises have been ended, and our stagnant, no-growth economy has a chance to markedly improve -- and that is just for openers.

Yes, it is a VERY good day for Canada, contrary to the ill-informed naïve and negative comments of the Republican/Conservative nay-sayer types around.
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Without getting into childish name-calling or insults, I am just curious from the liberal supporters what they thought was wrong with Harper's PC gov?
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Congratulations to you Canadians.

Despite some of our candidates who want to ramrod a Canadian pipeline through America's heartland and over it's biggest aquifer and therefore a national security risk, one can only hope Mr. Trudeau opposes this folly to the world that benefits only a very few of the greedy.

I hope he can help us kill it forever.
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Congratulations to you Canadians.

Despite some of our candidates who want to ramrod a Canadian pipeline through America's heartland and over it's biggest aquifer and therefore a national security risk, one can only hope Mr. Trudeau opposes this folly to the world that benefits only a very few of the greedy.

I hope he can help us kill it forever.
Even that socialist Trudeau appreciates the value of oil to the Canadian economy (got to fund all those social programs somehow).

Next time your supply of crude from the Middle East is threatened or cut off (remember the early 1970s?) - you'll regret not having a reliable supply from your biggest trading partner.

The oil will still be sold - but through a pipeline to the West Coast and on to China. You guys will have had your chance!

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Without getting into childish name-calling or insults, I am just curious from the liberal supporters what they thought was wrong with Harper's PC gov?
Few words will sum this up.

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Without getting into childish name-calling or insults, I am just curious from the liberal supporters what they thought was wrong with Harper's PC gov?
Mainly voter fatigue. The Consevatives were in power for almost 10 years and voters wanted a change. Voters tend to tire of anyone in power for that length of time.

The Conservatives did a lot of good - returned the federal budget to surplus after the financial crisis of 2008 (Canadian banks remained healthy throughout and house prices never collapsed in Canada like they did in the States).

Although some defence procurements had problems - they still bought C-17s, C-130Js and CH-147F Chinooks for the RCAF (a historic title also restored by the Conservatives). The army received Leopard II Tanks for Afghanistan and lots of other new equipment including drones). New shipbuilding programs were instituted for the RCN, the Canadian Patrol Frigates are undergoing a major upgrade, and Arctic Patrol Ships are now under construction.

Personally, I believe the Liberals decision to rule out the F-35 as a replacement for the CF-18 is a mistake. Give your Air Force the tools they determine that they need - not the politicians.

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Just read that Trudeau is pulling the hardware from Syria and Iraq. Trainers and advisors will stay for now.
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The F35 decision is pure irresponsibility. The thing can’t manage any significant distance without constantly needing refueling and it is subject to cold weather issues. Then there is the single engine issue. Really? THAT is our best solution? Given what is coming around the corner (Arctic concerns) we’d better be thinking of that first. The Navy will also need a presence there too. While we’re at it maybe we should reconsider QRA bases dotted along in the arctic. For the record, Canada is NOT financially committed to these F35’s. One just has to listen to the military experts (currently IN the military) on CBC’s ‘Power & Politics’ when they explain these things in detail. Time to seriously look at options that suit Canada’s upcoming needs OTHER than the F35.

Regarding the rest . . .our economy in seriously in need of investment spending (similar to what a company does that is looking to expand/grow/etc) to stimulate business over a wide range of categories, we have a staggering number of Canadians are seriously under-employed (or simply unemployed), and the investment that has been made to date has been primarily towards the tar sands with no real diversity to speak of, while our science community has been simply gutted. Funds that have been allocated to various programs (like the Vets) haven't been spent. This action was an attempt to make it look like the Reform-based/Conservatives have 'balanced the books'. Yes, we managed a surplus a few months back, but it was so small that the margin of error was larger. Once upon a time, we held a seat on the UN security council. Nice to see Harper lost that for us too. (You 'hawks' should have been hopping mad over that one!)

Sorry . . . no political party or Federal Government is perfect (and I've lived through them all starting with 'Arrow-killer Dief'), but Harper's Reform-based/Conservatives made Brian Mulroney look almost like a light-weight and Lyin' Brian brought Canada to the brink of bankruptcy, hence why the Liberal successors had to go to such draconian extremes to bring us back (and for many of us, that did hurt). If any of you want to know what it is like for a country to go bankrupt, just ask New Zealand. They went there in the late 80's. The austerity was atrocious. Their credit rating was stripped to nothing.

When I look at the Liberal line-up who could make up cabinet, I'm comforted by the fact that Trudeau has surrounded himself with some of the sharpest minds in the country, who are very well respected internationally.

Yes. This was a good, and very POSITIVE thing for Canada.
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Trudeau's win is bad news for US conservatives.

Justin Trudeau win is bad news for U.S. conservatives - CNN.com

According to the Reputation Institute, it is the "most admired" nation on earth. Immigrants flock there from all over the world -- for the most part politely standing in line for the opportunity.

Taxes seem to get lower every year and the government runs a surplus. Burdensome regulations have been slashed and the tax code's been rewritten to encourage business investment and pro-family policies. Abroad, it's taking the fight to ISIS with a reinvigorated military, standing side by side with Israel and against aggression from the mullahs of Iran and Vladimir Putin's Russia.

No, it's not three years into the Marco Rubio administration -- it's present-day Canada, and its courageous leader just got booted out of office after nine years of steadily maneuvering the ship of state.


The Conservative Party's loss is to the detriment of its neighbors to the south and the world at large, since the Tory leader, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, was defeated by the unprepared, gaffe-prone but well-coiffed son of a former prime minister, Justin Trudeau.

Harper's fate is all the more shocking when you consider how well Canada weathered the 2008-2009 financial crisis under his watch. He didn't bail out anyone (except the U.S.-based auto industry), no financial institutions failed and the Canadian economy hummed along.

Part of Harper's success -- and doom -- lies in the commodity markets. With sky-high oil prices and other resources reaching record highs, Canada got rich as other industrial powers paid top dollar (or top loonie, if you will) for the raw materials they needed to grow. As oil prices fell off a cliff, the Canadian economy slowed, even briefly dipping into recession this year. But Harper made the necessary cuts and kept taxes low. Amazingly, he balanced the budget ahead of schedule as the commodity markets nosedived.

The fickle Canadian voters were tired, though. Tired of the scandals and unforced errors that come with years of unchecked power (Canada's parliamentary system is a unitary executive-legislative branch). Political appointees and friends of Harper's couldn't resist feeding at the taxpayers' trough. Though the trail never led directly to Harper, the scandal only fed a public perception that the cool-to-a-fault, calculating (and yes, even Nixonian) Prime Minister was up to no good.

Despite their success, Harper's policies, too, seemed to echo the "American" political discourse, a byword for becoming what Canadians fear most -- too much like their rapacious, bellicose and paranoid neighbors to the south. In Canada, identity is tied up in a few things (hockey, universal health care) but none more powerful than a genteel anti-Americanism that tinges every political debate in the Great White North.

When Harper introduced anti-terror legislation called C-51, or "Canada's Patriot Act," after prominent attacks inspired by radical Islam, the wing nuts of Canada's left came out of the woodwork, painting the Prime Minister as a tyrant in the making.

His inaction on climate change -- a shrewd move for a near-petro state -- enraged the ecowarriors.

But the final straw came when Harper took a stand for an inclusive, but fully Westernized and assimilating Canada -- banning the niqab, or face veil, from being worn at citizenship swearing-in ceremonies. The din of the "culturally sensitive" left's cries was deafening -- "racist," "Islamophobe" and "anti-immigrant" entered the normally polite Canadian discourse.

What lies next for Canada is bad news for America and especially conservatives.

Canada under Harper's leadership was a conservative wonderland with balanced budgets, increasingly low taxes and a robust foreign policy aimed at taking on terrorists and bullies the world over. But that is poised to change under the Liberal Party's Trudeau, who promises to run deficits, pull out of the anti-ISIS operation in Iraq and Syria, and re-establish ties with Iran. He also wants to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada.

Furthermore, although the abortion debate has been "settled" for a generation by repeated diktats from Canada's uber-leftist Supreme Court, Trudeau has stamped out dissent within his own party over abortion, where a thriving anti-abortion wing once existed.

Without Harper at the helm, the lessons of Canada's miracle -- surviving the financial crisis, balancing budgets, slashing red tape and taxes while maintaining a healthy welfare state -- will be lost to history as Trudeau's Liberals in a fit of pique roll back the gains the Great White North has made.

Politics is a fickle game and fatigue is a real phenomenon. Harper's achievements will be relegated to the dustbin of history.

As Shelley's "Ozymandias" reminds us, "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
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Even that socialist Trudeau appreciates the value of oil to the Canadian economy (got to fund all those social programs somehow).

Next time your supply of crude from the Middle East is threatened or cut off (remember the early 1970s?) - you'll regret not having a reliable supply from your biggest trading partner.

The oil will still be sold - but through a pipeline to the West Coast and on to China. You guys will have had your chance!

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Yeah I remember the 70's during the embargo looking at a pristine 69 Roadrunner on a lot next to my work at the time for $700, later seeing a Chevy Nova SS in similar shape for $600. Lots of beautiful muscle cars for sale cheap. Now some in three figures. Lucked out and was driving a 69 Datsun at the time. Most of this was happening during the late and mid 70's however.

Interesting you might say it could happen again except for this time due to the new fracking technology (which has it's own problems in ground water) there's an oil boom in the Dakotas and Montana. The US outproduces every country in the world including Saudi Arabia. All this happening during a "liberal" administration go figure. Only thing is we don't export it now due to laws passed during the embargo. I call that a strategic advantage.

I was under the impression the reason the US route was chosen is because the Canadian people did not want it going over the Canadian Rockies and over to the west coast of Canada?

Usually a moderate like me would have no problem with a pipeline, however when it goes right over the Oglala aquifer, like our administration decision to see if "it was in our nation's best interests?" I definitely am against it. So yeah pick another route if you want, it's your land. All that tar sands oil (the dirtiest and abrasive to pipes ever) is to be sold to China so who benefits? The burnt gas is all going to drift back over our heads, yours too anyways.

Energy corporations don't give a flying flip after their industrial accidents. They just sh*t on the environment, move on to the next project until something like Fukushima and the Gulf of Mexico happens.

Hillary just came out against the Canadian Keystone Pipeline, but who knows how that will go when one of her biggest donors is financing it. :roll eyes:

If Bernie wins then we'll have us a big socialist party eh?
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Trudeau's win is bad news for US conservatives.

Justin Trudeau win is bad news for U.S. conservatives - CNN.com

. . . Without Harper at the helm, the lessons of Canada's miracle -- surviving the financial crisis, balancing budgets, slashing red tape and taxes while maintaining a healthy welfare state -- will be lost to history as Trudeau's Liberals in a fit of pique roll back the gains the Great White North has made.

Politics is a fickle game and fatigue is a real phenomenon. Harper's achievements will be relegated to the dustbin of history.


That article is humorous. It forgets to mention the reason Harper avoided bank melt-downs is because the previous government (Liberal) had put on solid regulations that prevented those sorts of shenanigans, it also fails to mention how Harper squandered a sizeable surplus it inherited from the previous government (Liberal, then -- went on to give us 8 years of deficits thanks to mismanagement (Governor of the Bank of Canada's words, not mine), and the list could go on, and on.

I think America should be more concerned if it wakes up to 'the Donald'.
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Without getting into childish name-calling or insults, I am just curious from the liberal supporters what they thought was wrong with Harper's PC gov?
They are all naive bleeding hearts. In a year or so after reality sets in, they will see, if they choose to confront the truth, how great things have been, and how bad things are getting. Of course the spin-meisters will find reasons to blame the PC government of PM Harper, but most will see thru that cloud of deception, smoke & mirrors!
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I usually don't get involved in Political threads but....


For the first time since I can vote, I voted for the Liberals. Why, well Mr. Harper in my view was a bully. That's right a bully. He wanted to turn Canada in Harperland, his way or the highway.

He claims the balance the federal budget, where did he get the funds from? Yeah EI and cuts to our federal serviced including taking funding out of Veterans affairs. They also used $2 billion in contingency funds. In 1993, the Conservatives chalked up a $38 Billion deficit. By 2006, under non-conservative leadership, this had been turned around into a $16 Billion surplus. Four years later, and Harper's Conservatives have returned Canada to a record $56 Billion deficit. When Harper was president of the National Citizens Coalition, founded in 1967 to oppose universal health care, he supported US-style bank deregulation. Nevertheless, since the 2008 Financial Crisis, he has been taking credit for the relative strength of our financial sector, based on a system he inherited, but didn’t support.

Although seniors' incomes have dropped for the first time in decades, it is clear that the Harper government was laying the groundwork to replace Canada's well-run, cost-effective, and stable CPP with a private, more expensive pension scheme - the Pooled Registered Pension Plan (PRPP), run by the bank, mutual fund, and insurance industries. This new plan would mean Canadians would have to work for longer, or to retire on less.

Harper's economic 'recovery' favoured the extremely wealthy. Over 321,000 Canadians lost their jobs in 2008 and Canadians' average wages fell. Meanwhile Canada's 100 wealthiest persons became richer, reaching an average net worth of $1.7 billion each, up almost 5 per cent from 2008. The majority of those surveyed by the Parliamentary Budget Office reported that the program has had either a neutral or negative impact on jobs. Even the conservative Fraser Institute has criticized it.

Since taking office, Stephen Harper has weakened regulations so that more pesticide residues can be left on your fruits and vegetables. The plan is to bring Canadian regulations in line with U.S. Levels, which can be up to 100 times higher. Under additional new regulations, corporate food producers will be allowed to conduct their own safety inspections. In 2008, when Luc Pomerleau, a biologist at the Canadian Food Inspection Agency with a flawless 20 year record with the agency, leaked these plans, he was immediately fired. Since then, the listeriosis meat outbreak killed 17 Canadians.

In 2008, Linda Keen, President of the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission, reported that the aging Chalk River nuclear facility was at a risk 1000 times greater than the international average. Harper quickly fired her.

In the 2011 budget, the Harper government failed to allocate any new funding for drinking water on First Nations reserves. 100 First Nations communities currently have water advisories, including 49 communities which are high risk. He also refuses to sign the UN declaration designating clean water as a human right.

In 2007, Harper cut $1.2 Billion from the establishment of national childcare, but failed to keep his promise of cutting the $1.4 billion in tax breaks he gives to oil companies, which continue to see record profits.

The Conservatives have vowed to implement unprecedented levels of monitoring on Canadians' internet activities. Harper has tried and failed (4 times) to create a law that would implement mass scale internet surveillance, and that would allow the government access to private information without any warrants, and without any court oversight.

In fact just released by the CBC, "Tories considered telling voters he wouldn't seek re-election." What does that tell you.

He also passed back to work legislation on various companies in Canada including Air Canada and one major rail co-operation. Mr. Harper also passed a bill that limits Unions rights to bargain.

Canceling the F-35's is a mistake, however we should have gone with the Super Hornet in the mean time as we have pilots already trained on the CF-18's.

When Joe Clarke and Brian Mulroney throw their support behind Mr. Trudeau...well that tells me something as well.

Please don't get me wrong, I am pro Conservative but not Pro Mr. Harper. In regards to Mr. Trudeau well we Canadians have to do the see and wait approach.
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I worked as a polling official. It was a very long busy day. It must feel a bit odd to move back into the house you grew up in and have the same job as your father.
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Old 10-22-2015, 04:06 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I worked as a polling official. It was a very long busy day. It must feel a bit odd to move back into the house you grew up in and have the same job as your father.
History repeats, moving into the same job, house as his father.
Seeing history is being repeated, will Mr Trudeau Jnr have the same mistresses as his father had or get new ones?

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History repeats, moving into the same job, house as his father.
Seeing history is being repeated, will Mr Trudeau Jnr have the same mistresses as his father had or get new ones?
Yeah but Sophie Trudeau is smoking hot. Margret wasn't that bad either.
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Mick Jagger seemed to think so!!
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Mick Jagger seemed to think so!!

True! Mr.Klein

But this article sorta points towards Ronnie? Do ya think they had a 3 sum? Cheers! T7

Stone had 'something special' with Maggie Trudeau
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Klein as long as you continue to post, I will indeed carry on
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Old 10-27-2015, 04:17 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Sophie Trudeau is smoking "Hot"? Jesus, you need to see an Ophthalmologist. And as far as Mr. Opinion "Upkeep" is concerned, he must have been born in England. It's people like him that made the UK a second rate power.

That's why he thinks replacing Harper is such a good idea. Socialists can't help themselves! Just like the British rewarded Churchill - win the War then out the Door
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