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Just heard confirmation straight after the latest ceasefire was broken that an IDF army officer (Lt Hadar Goldman) was taken by Hamas/Palestinian militants earlier today, apparently dragged off into Gaza. I'd hate to be him right now. I fear that things are now going to escalate dreadfully making a terrible time even worse.

His family, his unit and his friends are in my thoughts.May he be returned home safely.
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I wouldn't want to be in his shoes but any thoughts I have are reflected at the senseless killing of the children in this conflict, including the 16 killed by the Israeli shelling of the UN compound on Thursday.
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I wouldn't want to be in his shoes but any thoughts I have are reflected at the senseless killing of the children in this conflict, including the 16 killed by the Israeli shelling of the UN compound on Thursday.
So you don't care about the incocent Israeli citizens killed or injured by the missiles fired off by Hamas from schools and Mosques over the last few years. Hamas has used it's children as human shields for it's terror activities, so you have no right saying this is Israeli's fault. Hamas is totally responsible for all the deaths in this conflict.
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Stop your incessant sh1t-stirring you muppet, all I said was that I felt for the children that have been killed.
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I wouldn't want to be in his shoes but any thoughts I have are reflected at the senseless killing of the children in this conflict, including the 16 killed by the Israeli shelling of the UN compound on Thursday.

I couldn't have put that better myself.
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Great post Major. It seems that anyone shows any sought of sympathy to the innocent Palestinians victims, you're against Israel and side with the terrorist.
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Just heard confirmation straight after the latest ceasefire was broken that an IDF army officer (Lt Hadar Goldman) was taken by Hamas/Palestinian militants earlier today, apparently dragged off into Gaza. I'd hate to be him right now. I fear that things are now going to escalate dreadfully making a terrible time even worse.

His family, his unit and his friends are in my thoughts.May he be returned home safely.
That's what happens when Israel is pressured by the U.S. and the U.N. to accept a 3 day ceasefire. It is broken by Hamas after barely 2 hours.
Netanyahu told Obama to never doubt him again concerning Hamas. This is all going to go downhill now. The same way the Palestinian people voted Hamas into power, the same way they can have an Arab Spring to remove them from power if they loved their children that much.
The senseless killing of innocents on both sides is tragic.....it would be nice to see the media feed the world the Israeli losses too not only the Palestinians.
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The senseless killing of innocents on both sides is tragic.....it would be nice to see the media feed the world the Israeli losses too not only the Palestinians.
I agree completely. I feel very sorry that anyone on either side has to lose their life.

It strikes me as incredibly odd however that we ONLY seem to see injured Palestinian children in the media...it actually seems as portrayed by the media that the only casualties at all in this conflict are Palestinians, and in particular those under twelve years old. (Sadly, by Hamas standards, that is well above fighting age). Are no adults being killed or hurt? If so, why does Sky, BBC, CNN etc not ever show them, only children? We never see killed or injured adults or dead Hamas terrorists...it just strikes me as very odd and a very one-sided way of reporting.

As a footnote, the soldier who was reported as missing has now been found deceased. Its not clear how exactly he died.

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What's the death toll of Palestinians up to now? 1300? One IDF soldier is taken prisoner in the line of duty and the world all of a sudden cares? Give me a break.
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I agree completely. I feel very sorry that anyone on either side has to lose their life.

It strikes me as incredibly odd however that we ONLY seem to see injured Palestinian children in the media...it actually seems as portrayed by the media that the only casualties at all in this conflict are Palestinians, and in particular those under twelve years old. (Sadly, by Hamas standards, that is well above fighting age). Are no adults being killed or hurt? If so, why does Sky, BBC, CNN etc not ever show them, only children? We never see killed or injured adults or dead Hamas terrorists...it just strikes me as very odd and a very one-sided way of reporting.

As a footnote, the soldier who was reported as missing has now been found deceased. Its not clear how exactly he died.

There are tons of images from this genocide of all ages being slaughtered mate.
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I agree completely. I feel very sorry that anyone on either side has to lose their life.

It strikes me as incredibly odd however that we ONLY seem to see injured Palestinian children in the media...it actually seems as portrayed by the media that the only casualties at all in this conflict are Palestinians, and in particular those under twelve years old. (Sadly, by Hamas standards, that is well above fighting age). Are no adults being killed or hurt? If so, why does Sky, BBC, CNN etc not ever show them, only children? We never see killed or injured adults or dead Hamas terrorists...it just strikes me as very odd and a very one-sided way of reporting.

As a footnote, the soldier who was reported as missing has now been found deceased. Its not clear how exactly he died.
The media loves dead and injured children, it can sway public opinion much more easily with shots of horribly burned and bloody small bodies. That's pretty cold, I know, but it's the truth. And another sad truth: Israel has been forced to adopt their enemy's tactics to fight them. If you try to spare the innocent, you will not stop the terrorists because they will use that against you...they will see it as weakness. So Israel is forced to fight a brutal, dirty war in the streets and spare no one...but then, the terrorists try to spin that to a horrified world. When you are a fanatic, there are no rules except one: Win at all costs.
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What's the death toll of Palestinians up to now? 1300? One IDF soldier is taken prisoner in the line of duty and the world all of a sudden cares? Give me a break.
You are wrong. That's the problem....the world doesn't care. The world is too busy trying to get the feet out of their mouths because they are the ones that forced Israel for this 3 day humanitarian ceasefire which Hamas broke after 90 minutes killing these soldiers. You are the perfect target for the media to feed you their crap. The U.N. found missiles stored in U.N. run schools. Why is it the they gave the missiles back to Hamas to fire at Israel?
Ever wonder why Gaza funerals show anger, hatred and calls for revenge while Israeli funerals show sorrow and grief?
Hamas doesn't care for the Palestinian people. If they did they would have never fired missiles to begin this mess.
It's people like you that see this mess with one eye open, open both your eyes and educate yourself.
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What's the death toll of Palestinians up to now? 1300? One IDF soldier is taken prisoner in the line of duty and the world all of a sudden cares? Give me a break.
You are wrong. That's the problem....the world doesn't care. The world is too busy trying to get their feet out of their mouths because they are the ones that forced Israel for this 3 day humanitarian ceasefire which Hamas broke after 90 minutes killing these soldiers. You are the perfect target for the media to feed you their crap. The U.N. found missiles stored in U.N. run schools. Why is it the they gave the missiles back to Hamas to fire at Israel?
Ever wonder why Gaza funerals show anger, hatred and calls for revenge while Israeli funerals show sorrow and grief?
Hamas doesn't care for the Palestinian people. If they did they would have never fired missiles to begin this mess.
It's people like you that see this mess with one eye open, open both your eyes and educate yourself.
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What's the death toll of Palestinians up to now? 1300? One IDF soldier is taken prisoner in the line of duty and the world all of a sudden cares? Give me a break.
The BBC already admitted that many of the 1300 were from Syria, Egypt, Libya etc...
Hamas is basking in this propaganda war and winning. The West has to remember that Hamas is a terrorist organization and not only do they want to kill Israelis but are also against western ideals and people such as yourselves who coincidently are supporting them right now. Let's not forget the tragedy of 9-11 when all the children of Gaza were dancing in the streets as women and men were throwing candy at them and cheering while the World Trade Centers were coming down. Some of you people really have short memories and are very naïve to the facts.
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I wouldn't want to be in his shoes but any thoughts I have are reflected at the senseless killing of the children in this conflict, including the 16 killed by the Israeli shelling of the UN compound on Thursday.
+1. Totally agree with you.
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You are wrong. That's the problem....the world doesn't care. The world is too busy trying to get their feet out of their mouths because they are the ones that forced Israel for this 3 day humanitarian ceasefire which Hamas broke after 90 minutes killing these soldiers. You are the perfect target for the media to feed you their crap. The U.N. found missiles stored in U.N. run schools. Why is it the they gave the missiles back to Hamas to fire at Israel?
Ever wonder why Gaza funerals show anger, hatred and calls for revenge while Israeli funerals show sorrow and grief?
Hamas doesn't care for the Palestinian people. If they did they would have never fired missiles to begin this mess.
It's people like you that see this mess with one eye open, open both your eyes and educate yourself.
You sound like an American. Are you from Kansas?

I can not speak to someone who supports the senseless bombing of civilian infested areas with large amounts of children. Judging by your username, I'm assuming you have some sort of ties to the terrorist state of Israel, so maybe you're just biased.
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bombing a small land stripE , with no escape issues for the population is not fair ,Israel people should not be proud of their gov ! AT LEAST ISRAELI CAN ESCAPE IF HAMAS BOMB THEM, PALESTINIAN CANNOT !!!

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bombing a small land stripE , with no escape issues for the population is not fair ,Israel people should not be proud of their gov ! AT LEAST ISRAELI CAN ESCAPE IF HAMAS BOMB THEM, PALESTINIAN CANNOT !!!

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Its not the IDF's fault if the people don't want to heed their warnings to evacuate. They are even going as far as sms'ing people warning them of impending strikes, not to mention dropping thousands of leaftlets (which the Palestinians ignore and get their children to go out onto the streets and stamp on with their feet and make a public spectacle infront of the gathered news cameras).

I'm sorry, I can have little sympathy for people who USE THEIR OWN CHILDREN as human shields, as combattants and as tools to gather media sympathy on the premise that 'being martyred' is in some way honourable. And then we say Israel is barbaric?
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This thread went to hell in a hurry and yes I support the right of Isreal to defend itself.
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What's the death toll of Palestinians up to now? 1300? One IDF soldier is taken prisoner in the line of duty and the world all of a sudden cares? Give me a break.

Maybe you're spending too much time making models, but Hamas uses human shields, forcing civilians to stay next to their ammo spots & putting rockets, bombs & other ammo next to the UN school. this is the kind of garbage you get when you listen to the propaganda.
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bombing a small land stripE , with no escape issues for the population is not fair ,Israel people should not be proud of their gov ! AT LEAST ISRAELI CAN ESCAPE IF HAMAS BOMB THEM, PALESTINIAN CANNOT !!!

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WOW, you are a perfect example of someone brainwashed by propaganda! Hamas, a terrorist org know by all except N. Korea, has thrown it's own people in the way of the incoming battles & you fall for the horror that Hamas chooses to show via the media who is controlled via permission to stay & 'report'. There is no free Palestine in fact, but left over refugees from lands that were given up when left so they could exterminate the Jews.

You are a horrible example of liberation & are a misguided emotionally manipulated dupe. Try supporting an actual oppressed people, lets start in China where there are at least two oppressed populations; Tibet #1
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You sound like an American. Are you from Kansas?

I can not speak to someone who supports the senseless bombing of civilian infested areas with large amounts of children. Judging by your username, I'm assuming you have some sort of ties to the terrorist state of Israel, so maybe you're just biased.
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Israel a terrorist state?? It's the only democratic country in that region. Many Israelis protest against the war as well and they get to go home at night. If the Palestinian people would protest in Gaza, they would be executed by Hamas. Dolts like you need to support Hamas, a known terror organization.
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bombing a small land stripE , with no escape issues for the population is not fair ,Israel people should not be proud of their gov ! AT LEAST ISRAELI CAN ESCAPE IF HAMAS BOMB THEM, PALESTINIAN CANNOT !!!

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A 17 year old from Paris. Think before you show your ignorance. Gaza is bordering Egypt as well. Egypt is an Arab Muslim country. Ask yourself why did Egypt close it's borders with Gaza as well?? Do you see anyone demonstrating on the streets of Cairo to open the border and let their Palestinian brothers and sisters come to Egypt to seek refuge?? NO!!
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Israel a terrorist state?? It's the only democratic country in that region. Many Israelis protest against the war as well and they get to go home at night. If the Palestinian people would protest in Gaza, they would be executed by Hamas. Dolts like you need to support Hamas, a known terror organization.
And you make my point beautifully, thank you. Surely a democratic state that is as sophisticated as Israel is capable sending in special forces on the ground and ridding these rocket sites and infiltrating the vast tunnel network that Hamas uses. Why a state as modern and militarily strong as Israel carelessly bombs entire city blocks seems a bit absurd. If Hamas is using civilians as human shields and placing their rocket caches in UN shelters, how is that an excuse to level the shelter with all who occupy it? Send in the spec. ops and avoid collateral damage and bring those to justice who deserve it. Israel controls the Gaza borders and the sea front for the most part, so please ask Netanyahu to send in his spec ops boys....they can waltz right in, I'm sure a few of them even speak Arabic
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And you make my point beautifully, thank you. Surely a democratic state that is as sophisticated as Israel is capable sending in special forces on the ground and ridding these rocket sites and infiltrating the vast tunnel network that Hamas uses. Why a state as modern and militarily strong as Israel carelessly bombs entire city blocks seems a bit absurd. If Hamas is using civilians as human shields and placing their rocket caches in UN shelters, how is that an excuse to level the shelter with all who occupy it? Send in the spec. ops and avoid collateral damage and bring those to justice who deserve it. Israel controls the Gaza borders and the sea front for the most part, so please ask Netanyahu to send in his spec ops boys....they can waltz right in, I'm sure a few of them even speak Arabic
You sound like you know it all. Ask any Vietnam vet what it was like to fight the Viet Congo with all those underground tunnels where you see the enemy as they fire at you and then they disappear in a second. What was the answer?? Napalm of course. Rid the complete village, women and of course let's not forget the children. I am not condoning it but in a state of war there has to be casualties. Israel is facing the same dilemma. Gaza is a territory of highly congested alleyways, lanes, passageways and the ever famous tunnels.
Once a rocket is fired, it is moved to another location soon after.
Israeli drones record the coordinates of the missile launch which are sent to the F-16's. The pilots fire their missiles on those coordinates to eliminate the threat. Do you think the pilot or the missile knows that there are civilians at those coordinates?? Do you want them to stop and ask? Or do you want them to just continue firing their missiles at Israel? Hamas does this. The world knows this as a proven fact. The U.N. found missiles in U.N. run schools but gave the missiles back to Hamas to continue firing. How stupid is the world we live in to accept this? How gullible and naïve are the people on this planet supporting Hamas??
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You sound like you know it all. Ask any Vietnam vet what it was like to fight the Viet Congo with all those underground tunnels where you see the enemy as they fire at you and then they disappear in a second. What was the answer?? Napalm of course. Rid the complete village, women and of course let's not forget the children. I am not condoning it but in a state of war there has to be casualties. Israel is facing the same dilemma. Gaza is a territory of highly congested alleyways, lanes, passageways and the ever famous tunnels.
Once a rocket is fired, it is moved to another location soon after.
Israeli drones record the coordinates of the missile launch which are sent to the F-16's. The pilots fire their missiles on those coordinates to eliminate the threat. Do you think the pilot or the missile knows that there are civilians at those coordinates?? Do you want them to stop and ask? Or do you want them to just continue firing their missiles at Israel? Hamas does this. The world knows this as a proven fact. The U.N. found missiles in U.N. run schools but gave the missiles back to Hamas to continue firing. How stupid is the world we live in to accept this? How gullible and naïve are the people on this planet supporting Hamas??
I See your point. But to compare the strategy used in vietnam with Gaza is far fetched. Gaza's total area is what, about 140 square miles with close to 2 million people living within its borders? The county my city is in alone is almost 9 times as large as Gaza. With current ground tech available to the IDF with air surveillance support, I see no reason why Matkal units can't be tasked with finding these rockets and eliminating the current Hamas ground leadership, or whatever their spec ops is called. There is NO doubt that the IDF has units tasked with extreme covert operations and trained to blend in and, as said earlier, those who speak Arabic that can further embed into region.

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I really could give a sh..it either way. I have no affiliation to either nation. What concerns me is the casualty rate of Palestinians. In just a few weeks, what is the count up to now, close to 1500 Palestinians dead? I'm not there, so I can't confirm that, But when so many are reporting numbers in this range, I find it believable and not fabricated. This day and age, that many civilian casualties is unacceptable. But then you'll probably say they are all Hamas militants, so this entire useless debate becomes moot.

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Guys...guys! I never started this thread intending for it to degenerate into a personal mudslinging match. Please respect each other, even if there are differing opinions.
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I don't want to get involved but I found this video.

It shows the IDF asking if the Wafa Hospital was occupied by civilians. It seems as if Israel is trying to avoid collateral damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYUEas41aEk

Of course, you can't tell if the video was orchestrated after the bombing of the hospital.

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Israel a terrorist state?? It's the only democratic country in that region. Many Israelis protest against the war as well and they get to go home at night. If the Palestinian people would protest in Gaza, they would be executed by Hamas. Dolts like you need to support Hamas, a known terror organization.
Common definitions of terrorism refer to those violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or civilians).

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Everyone still misses the point: If Hamas said, "Ok, you win, we'll stop it with the rockets", Israel would immediately remove all its troops and stop bombing Gaza. If Hamas said, "We renounce terrorism, and embrace our Jewish brothers", Israel would open the borders and declare a holiday. There would always be suspicion and incidents, but overall there would be peace. But Hamas will never do these things as long as they can vilify Israel and receive funding for their activities. And Israel will never bend to Hamas or world opinion...they just want to survive and live in peace, but will die to the last citizen to defend themselves.
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Everyone still misses the point: If Hamas said, "Ok, you win, we'll stop it with the rockets", Israel would immediately remove all its troops and stop bombing Gaza. If Hamas said, "We renounce terrorism, and embrace our Jewish brothers", Israel would open the borders and declare a holiday. There would always be suspicion and incidents, but overall there would be peace. But Hamas will never do these things as long as they can vilify Israel and receive funding for their activities. And Israel will never bend to Hamas or world opinion...they just want to survive and live in peace, but will die to the last citizen to defend themselves.
Bravo ! point well taken .
My question is how many of those slamming Israel have ever been there?
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There will never be peace between the Palestinians and Israelis, as long as they each have holes in their respective backsides. But as has been said earlier, in this day and age, couldn't these horrific casualty figures have been avoided? Just a thought, might it not be the case, that a defeated Hamas would simply be replaced by something else, along the lines of ISIS perhaps?

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Everyone still misses the point: If Hamas said, "Ok, you win, we'll stop it with the rockets", Israel would immediately remove all its troops and stop bombing Gaza. If Hamas said, "We renounce terrorism, and embrace our Jewish brothers", Israel would open the borders and declare a holiday. There would always be suspicion and incidents, but overall there would be peace. But Hamas will never do these things as long as they can vilify Israel and receive funding for their activities. And Israel will never bend to Hamas or world opinion...they just want to survive and live in peace, but will die to the last citizen to defend themselves.
Yep. Israel has agreed to every proposed ceasefire. And Hamas has broken all of them. Every single one. This should make it abundantly clear which side wants peace, and which does not.
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Everyone still misses the point: If Hamas said, "Ok, you win, we'll stop it with the rockets", Israel would immediately remove all its troops and stop bombing Gaza. If Hamas said, "We renounce terrorism, and embrace our Jewish brothers", Israel would open the borders and declare a holiday. There would always be suspicion and incidents, but overall there would be peace. But Hamas will never do these things as long as they can vilify Israel and receive funding for their activities. And Israel will never bend to Hamas or world opinion...they just want to survive and live in peace, but will die to the last citizen to defend themselves.
Excellent post. The Muslims with the most freedom in the Middle East are citizens of Israel. They vote, own businesses, their children are educated, and they are happy. The Isreali's are willing to coexist in peace with Muslim's in the region, they just ask for the same respect in return.

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Just a thought, might it not be the case, that a defeated Hamas would simply be replaced by something else, along the lines of ISIS perhaps?

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You're correct....but you can also say maybe a moderate muslim government would take power and form a peaceful Gaza. Egypt and Jordan were sworn enemies with Israel and now they have all enjoyed peaceful borders for many years now. Israel was at peace with Iran as well until the revolution.
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Well, I admire your optimism, I sincerely hope your right.

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Hi all
Let me shed some light on this...
As someone who lives in Tel Aviv I know much better than you
"Israel right to defend it self?!" , from who? the very same people they killed and took their homes some 60 years ago?
Imagine for one second that germany had won wwii , and occupied the US and build settlements on US soil, and the germans would made up some stories that they have a connection to this land (Well nazis dont really have to do that but you get the idea...) , wouldn't the US form armed resistance groups to fight the germans, they would kill german civilians too living in the settlements...
same here, in 1948 the jews came and killed and kicked palestinians from their lands and homes, just because some 2000 years ago there was a jewish building.... but what about these palestinians ?!
All palestinians support hamas, dont buy that they use them as a shield, thats just an israeli propaganda, much like every war, especially in 2006 , the israeli leaders dont know what to do, as the israeli people support the war, they bomb civilians and claim they have achieved their targets, after 1 month they pull off their forces claiming that the enemy is destroyed, however in the next war it will be much better and stronger ....
So that the israeli people will continue to support the leaders, everytime they see dead palestinins the leaders say "NO, ITS FROM SYRIA AND IRAQ, THESE GUYS DONT LIKE US..." and they buy it
The palestinian is not a terrorist, but israel wants to make the jungle rule happen
hamas fights for its freedom, in gaza its much like the jews camps in th 30's and 40's... these guys have nothing to loose.....
Over 1,800 deads, 95% woman and childeren, the few others were killed from ground troops....
A MESSAGE TO KERRY FROM US : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGz_9F4kr54 WITH ENGLISH SUBTITLES, PLEASE WATCH THIS
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Well, it's another point of view I guess.

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I'm happy that someone with apparently direct knowledge of the situation over in Gaza can contribute the opposing viewpoint. It's a very compelling argument...but I still can't support Hamas' actions. Yes, the Israeli response has been brutal, and I so wish that it had not been at the expense of so many civilian lives. But it has become war, and civilians are always the biggest victims. The Jews came to Palestine after 6 million had been horribly eradicated, looking for their ancestral home to find a small promised piece of land that had been theirs for over 3000 years. Yes, there were people already living there, many of them nomadic, and the land was undeveloped, its potential for prosperity ignored. The Jews gave the land life and wealth when no one else would. America has its example with the Native Americans, the Australians their Aborigines, the Europeans and their colonies...in Africa, Asia there are similar stories of smaller populations being swept aside for stronger invaders. This is no different in that respect. The only real difference is that the Palestinians are not welcome anywhere else in the Middle East, so they have nowhere else to go. Israel has made accommodations, but they don't satisfy the Palestinians who want the entire region to themselves...especially now that it has been developed. There will be no rest in Israel as long as one people believes the other should leave or die.
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I'm happy that someone with apparently direct knowledge of the situation over in Gaza can contribute the opposing viewpoint. It's a very compelling argument...but I still can't support Hamas' actions. Yes, the Israeli response has been brutal, and I so wish that it had not been at the expense of so many civilian lives. But it has become war, and civilians are always the biggest victims. The Jews came to Palestine after 6 million had been horribly eradicated, looking for their ancestral home to find a small promised piece of land that had been theirs for over 3000 years. Yes, there were people already living there, many of them nomadic, and the land was undeveloped, its potential for prosperity ignored. The Jews gave the land life and wealth when no one else would. America has its example with the Native Americans, the Australians their Aborigines, the Europeans and their colonies...in Africa, Asia there are similar stories of smaller populations being swept aside for stronger invaders. This is no different in that respect. The only real difference is that the Palestinians are not welcome anywhere else in the Middle East, so they have nowhere else to go. Israel has made accommodations, but they don't satisfy the Palestinians who want the entire region to themselves...especially now that it has been developed. There will be no rest in Israel as long as one people believes the other should leave or die.
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Sometimes a simple side-by-side comparison is the best explanation. Bonus question: who has it in their charter to kill whom?

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Really, now we just allow people with no interest in aviation to join the site, just to spew political rhetoric? Sad. How do we even know you live in Israel?
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That has nothing to do with my post. The poster I was talking about obviously has no care for model aviation as he creates an account just to bash Israel. We are not a political forum. Members who also care about model aviation and wish to talk about politics are fine, but people who join just to abuse our forum for a solely political reason are not. They completely degrade the forum.
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That has nothing to do with my post. The poster I was talking about obviously has no care for model aviation as he creates an account just to bash Israel. We are not a political forum. Members who also care about model aviation and wish to talk about politics are fine, but people who join just to abuse our forum for a solely political reason are not. They completely degrade the forum.
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Post pictures for what? Why do,you think you have to prove anything to him?
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Post pictures for what? Why do,you think you have to prove anything to him?
Exactly what I was thinking. I was always under the impression, that this section can also be used by members to post comments/start threads on things that may not be directly connected with aviation. Still, I've only been on here ten years, so I'm still learnin, and willing to carry on doing so.

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