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View Poll Results: Diecast collectors-what age group do you fall into?
0-19 19 15.97%
20-29 28 23.53%
30-39 26 21.85%
40-49 12 10.08%
50-59 21 17.65%
60-69 8 6.72%
70 and over 5 4.20%
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Old 04-25-2014, 11:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys!

I'm just curious about the age demographics of this site and the hobby in general. I get most of my models online, so I seldom get to go into a real 'bricks and mortar' model store and see who is buying models, and obviously on here it's hard to tell what age groups everyone falls into, so I thought it would be interesting to put up this poll. You obviously don't have to divulge your age (if you don't want to!), but the results may be interesting!
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Should have titled it "What age do you act like on DAC?" Might be more informative...
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Haha, there's a lot of truth in that!
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This poll is a good idea, waiting for the results …

It could explain why planes such as the Comet, the Caravelle and the very early B 707 fail to attract any interest.

We had to insist to have the Convair 880 ...

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Thank you. Yes, there are lots of factors that are involved I think...which age groups have the most disposable income, which have the most free time for a hobby, which age groups have a greater interest in aviation, and whether this is nostalgic or modern...which age groups are more tech-literate... lots of different variables.
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Yeah, I'm in the 70 and over category - So?! Keep 'em (an me) flying, Doug
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Good on you Doug! You guys are the repositories of all the aviation knowledge and nostalgia-respect to you and your generation!
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I was lucky enough to have grown up with 707s, DC8s, Caravelles and Comets, and eventually, to work on these types too. Great idea for a poll!
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Good on you Doug! You guys are the repositories of all the aviation knowledge and nostalgia-respect to you and your generation!
Thanx - there are obviously a number of guys here that have a great storage of knowledge on the classics, or guys who have the patience to look up the data - me? I mostly just get my enjoys from hanging around and learning, but I do like the classics - I may just be stuck in the 60's... Chow, Doug
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I'm not saying but just to say that I was around and old enough to take a bus to Heathrow on my own and watch the super connies and starliners disgorging their satisfied customers. Have always been a 200 scale freak and a bit of a display model collector. Now I have more money than ever before to indulge my pleasures (being mortgage and family free!) . Coupled with more 200 scale models than ever before and old collectors selling their display models (to me and others) AND EBAY. Having a happy retirement.

I like visiting ARD and meeting the boys on both sides of the counter.
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Thanx - there are obviously a number of guys here that have a great storage of knowledge on the classics, or guys who have the patience to look up the data - me? I mostly just get my enjoys from hanging around and learning, but I do like the classics - I may just be stuck in the 60's... Chow, Doug
I wish the classics were still around, I miss the variety of aircraft flying around. Now it's all RJ's, A320's, and 737's. Nothing wrong with any of those, but it's boring to a real plane enthusiast.
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I wish the classics were still around, I miss the variety of aircraft flying around. Now it's all RJ's, A320's, and 737's. Nothing wrong with any of those, but it's boring to a real plane enthusiast.
AMEN to that brother!!!!!!


My first flight was on a L-1049G, and my weekend outings as a youth was to enjoy the new modern 707 880, 990, VC-10, & DC-8 jets!

I was in awe when the 1st 747 landed in Montreal, and unbeknown to me, standing within a few meters of Graham Bridges above, watching the same aircraft!!

I've loved this hobby my entire life, and still do, and enjoy sharing it with those of similar interests!
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AMEN to that brother!!!!!!


My first flight was on a L-1049G, and my weekend outings as a youth was to enjoy the new modern 707 880, 990, VC-10, & DC-8 jets!

I was in awe when the 1st 747 landed in Montreal, and unbeknown to me, standing within a few meters of Graham Bridges above, watching the same aircraft!!
I've loved this hobby my entire life, and still do, and enjoy sharing it with those of similar interests!
That was one heck of a coincidence back in 1970 Andrew, and as you know I was living in Montreal then so it was my first 747 "cop" as well. She looked magnificent and majestic in the classic old scheme.
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Despite my love of classics I'm 'only' 35 so the oldest type I ever got to fly on was a British Airtours Tristar when I was under 10 in the mid 80s on a cheap package tour to Spain.

I hope there are others like me around though I admit I am probably a bit of an aberration! You don't have to be old to learn and enjoy the classics and in fact the discovery is a large part of what keeps me interested.

Spotting nowadays is tedious compared even to the early 90s when I spent a fair amount of time on the Gatwick roof terrace. Nowadays its a steady procession of Boeing twinjets and Airbuses. I miss BAC One-Elevens, DC-10s etc etc let alone the classic props and jets I'm too old to have seen.

I remember seeing one of the first BA A320s in about 1988 and it was something unusual . I just can't see how anyone can get excited about a 787. Yeah its a technical marvel but a bland and ugly one unless you are buried in the minutae of its internal workings. Hardly a VC-10 is it?
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I voted on the poll and checked the results. So far there are more younger collectors than older ones. But who spends the most money ? I haven't a clue what I spent in the last 12 months, but I've coughed up £630 this month. That is an exceptional month though, and still to come is Gatwick show tomorrow.
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Graham, I wonder if the results aren't skewed due to the platform I've used for the poll- ie on a website? I'd imagine there would be proportionally more younger people using a discussion forum and on the net in general than there would older ones? I might be entirely wrong though. I also find the results so far very interesting.
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On occasion, my dad would take me to Balboa Park in San Diego back in the early 60's, and instead of being interested in playing ball or checking out the museums, I was fascinated by the low-flying Connies, DC-7s, F-27s, M-404s and CV-580s...and the rare DC-8 or 707, since Lindbergh Field wasn't the high point of traffic in those days. Later I enjoyed the new 737s and 727s, DC-9s, and then the DC-10s and L-1011s. I didn't see a 747 until I was 17 and we were at LAX in '73...it was the biggest and most beautiful airplane I'd ever seen (a Pan Am Clipper...hence my love of PA ever since). Even though I stopped airplane spotting by 1974 (joined the Air Force), I continued to enjoy just looking at the planes every time I was at the airport, wondering where they were all going and what adventures were waiting for the people flying in them. The passion for flying has gone, but I still love airplanes.
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Graham, I wonder if the results aren't skewed due to the platform I've used for the poll- ie on a website? I'd imagine there would be proportionally more younger people using a discussion forum and on the net in general than there would older ones? I might be entirely wrong though. I also find the results so far very interesting.
I think you're absolutely right, the poll so far suggests that forum members are 66% younger (under 40) and 34% are over 40.

Its interesting because when I go to swapmeets come old toy/train fairs the average seems about 60+. Aviation fairs seem to be a younger mix.

Had you clocked that I suggested that us oldies possibly (34% of the potential buyers) may well account for 50% or more of the retailers sales figures ?
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You all know in which age group I fall into.

My oldest memories in aviation date back to just after the WWII.
One day, my father took me to Le Bourget and I remember I was fascinated by these planes with big black crosses and made from corrugated skin.
I think it was in 1947 and of course these planes were JU 52 left behind the Luftwaffe.

Later in 1948, I remember that I saw big four engine aircraft flying very low in formation, the noise they made was impressive.
They certainly were B 17 or B 29.

And in 1953, I was at Le Bourget where the Salon de l'Aéronautique takes place, and that year, Air France received simultaneously four new aircraft, the Bréguet Deux Ponts, the Vickers Viscount, the Lockheed Super Constellation and the De Havilland Comet.
I had the opportunity to visit the Comet and I saw it flying.
I still remember all that

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"I continued to enjoy just looking at the planes every time I was at the airport, wondering where they were all going and what adventures were waiting for the people flying in them." Yeah, I have a similar response, but mostly to contrails of planes at altitude: what's the destination, who's on it, and why are they flying? What a great thread, Doug

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I have a similar response, but mostly to contrails of planes at altitude: what's the destination, who's on it, and why are they flying? What a great thread, Doug[/QUOTE]

Same here. On clear days, I'll spend hours on my back deck with binoculars in hand watching for contrails to then look at thru binoculars to see what airframe type and maybe what airline it could be. I know my neighbours think I'm nuts, but that's ok.
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"I continued to enjoy just looking at the planes every time I was at the airport, wondering where they were all going and what adventures were waiting for the people flying in them." Yeah, I have a similar response, but mostly to contrails of planes at altitude: what's the destination, who's on it, and why are they flying? What a great thread, Doug
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I get five pounds a week as pocket money, so thats £20 a month. I spend £5 on the airliner world magazine, so I have about £15 a month to spend on models.
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Doug Seely, Plane737 and Arctic9048- I know exactly what you guys are talking about-I love watching contrails, aircraft flying overhead and even Flightradar24, and imagining where the aircraft are going, where they are coming from and who is on board and why they are travelling to where they're going...I guess it's the magic of flight?
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I am pleasantly surprised at how many young people are in this hobby. It's refreshing to see that we're not all geezers like me.
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Thank you. Yes, there are lots of factors that are involved I think...which age groups have the most disposable income, which have the most free time for a hobby, which age groups have a greater interest in aviation, and whether this is nostalgic or modern...which age groups are more tech-literate... lots of different variables.
My opinion on the data as it is now,

That is a good point, had this poll been made 10-15 years ago, I am very sure that the results would yield a very well distributed bell curve, rather than now which display a curve that is skew right the data. Back then, models were much cheaper (literally, half the price of now), and most of the collectors from then if not turned off from he politics or moved onto other things have slowed down considerably due to the fact that the prices have gotten a little too high for new models. With collectors that I know very well and keep and talk to personally online, as well as me, the latter is why my collecting had largely slowed down. I understand why the prices have gone up (supply and demand (especially these days with manufactures making less), workers wages, material costs, rate of inflation, etc.), but I am hoping to ride it out a little to have prices fall a little over time. I would love to buy some of these models, but the prices with how the are, well they're mostly a little more than I'm willing to pay right now. I'll still buy something now and then, but it's nothing in my teenage years when I would buy up to 8-10 models a year!

There is also the age distribution of the site in general. If the poll was made on a forum with older, the results could be skewed right, or as a bell curve again. From personal observation, there is a large amount of people between their 30s and 60s which left DAC mostly during the old owner's reign (which in the last couple years alienated a lot of people from the site, I know the new owners came on and asked if people wanted to come back, though a lot chose not to come back), and post on other boards instead. Of course, this isn't all too great of a representation of the hobby in general. There are older collectors that are not too crazy about being in message boards, or doing much on the internet (a lot of hobbies are like that actually), or some that somehow never touched a computer (though still manage to get these, aside from living in a large city (which will likely have a physical store location to buy from), how they would do it without a computer is beyond me).

But there are a lot of variables and sources of bias in this that could be deceptive if to be thought of as a picture of the whole hobby. BUT, it is very good to see that certain doomsayers are proven wrong that the hobby is dying. I will say, when I started out, I was certainly in the minority group then on the message boards. Sites like W900 and DAC around 2004 and 2005 were also recovering from groups of pre-teens that spammed the board, and were highly hostile places for anyone under 18 to post. It's nice to see that the hostility isn't much the case, and that many of the young ones also do their best to type out their posts, and for the most part, everyone gets along. I also like how a lot of the younger collectors, while likely not fans of the older stuff (I admittedly am a fan), are fairly respectful of it. I remember back then you can tell the age of someone by seeing how pissed off that a company wasted time and resources in releasing a "Boring old plane" in a grammatically wrong one lined post (even though the other 10 releases were stuff made after they were born.) And that's another thing I like now, the hobby is well balanced in what's out there, if the prices were what they were then, you can bet I, and many other collectors that have slowed down in the last couple years would be buying more, but that's life I guess!

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One day, my father took me to Le Bourget and I remember I was fascinated by these planes with big black crosses and made from corrugated skin.
I think it was in 1947 and of course these planes were JU 52 left behind the Luftwaffe.
I'm personally surprised that the French AF or Air France haven't made much use out of the Ju-52s that were there at the end of the war that they still had their Luftwaffe markings that long after the war! I suppose for France, they were likely not as important to be used as they would have in Post War Germany or one of the then newly established East Bloc states, which needed all they could use to rebuild.

It's fascinating, as you've seen air travel evolve so much, and relatively quickly. I mean, you've seen the size of the aircraft changing, then the power plant choice, then the power plant choice again, then the aircraft getting bigger again, then the power plant choices again (with better jet engines), and repeat that last one a couple more times. I personally find that fascinating.
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Actually, LOT, these demographics only work for DAC, not the hobby as a whole...this is actually a fairly worthless graph, but fun to speculate and get a few people talking in an otherwise dry spell of hobby talk. Most of the members on this forum participate only rarely if ever, many just wanted to list their collections or buy and sell models. You have a very small representation of collectors who even elected to add to this poll, less than a fraction of a fraction of one percent. Not enough for any real interpretation or forecast of the hobby. But it's nice to chat once in a while and know there's some life left in this forum.
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Actually, LOT, these demographics only work for DAC, not the hobby as a whole...this is actually a fairly worthless graph, but fun to speculate and get a few people talking in an otherwise dry spell of hobby talk. Most of the members on this forum participate only rarely if ever, many just wanted to list their collections or buy and sell models. You have a very small representation of collectors who even elected to add to this poll, less than a fraction of a fraction of one percent. Not enough for any real interpretation or forecast of the hobby. But it's nice to chat once in a while and know there's some life left in this forum.
That is a good point, but it is something I stated quite a few times in my post as well (the poll not being a full picture of the hobby. I still believe that the distribution of the hobby these days, especially the more active collectors tends to be more in a bimodal skew, with the youngest and oldest collecting more, and the groups in between not as much. That is just a personal opinion and observation, and as stated in my previous post, various reasons for that.
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I'm personally surprised that the French AF or Air France haven't made much use out of the Ju-52s that were there at the end of the war that they still had their Luftwaffe markings that long after the war! I suppose for France, they were likely not as important to be used as they would have in Post War Germany or one of the then newly established East Bloc states, which needed all they could use to rebuild.

It's fascinating, as you've seen air travel evolve so much, and relatively quickly. I mean, you've seen the size of the aircraft changing, then the power plant choice, then the power plant choice again, then the aircraft getting bigger again, then the power plant choices again (with better jet engines), and repeat that last one a couple more times. I personally find that fascinating.

I think the place I was referring to was a boneyard where old or damaged aircraft unable to fly anymore were put together.

The Ateliers Aéronautiques de Colombes built 400 JU 52 after the war, they were named AAC 1 Toucan.
Air France used 60 of them for night mail services, they were replaced with DC 3 at the end of 1947.
French Air Force and French Navy, used a lot and much longer.

Yes fascinating is the right word and even in a short time, let's say ten years, something that was exceptional in the beginning became very quickly routine.

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Graham, I wonder if the results aren't skewed due to the platform I've used for the poll- ie on a website? I'd imagine there would be proportionally more younger people using a discussion forum and on the net in general than there would older ones? I might be entirely wrong though. I also find the results so far very interesting.
Valid point and concern if you were gathering stats on the entire aviation diecast collecting community. But in this case, DA.C is only found online.

Excellent idea, by the way, and makes for interesting conversation.
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. . . And in 1953, I was at Le Bourget where the Salon de l'Aéronautique takes place, and that year, Air France received simultaneously four new aircraft, the Bréguet Deux Ponts, the Vickers Viscount, the Lockheed Super Constellation and the De Havilland Comet.
I had the opportunity to visit the Comet and I saw it flying.
I still remember all that

It was yesterday ...
That is a beautiful photo of a gorgeous aircraft.

I didn't know these 4 aircraft were received simultaneously in '53. I guess I should be paying more attention to my books!
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I still remember all that

It was yesterday ...
I was seven years old when JFK was killed so you can figure out I am not a youngster. This airline hobby has a hold on me. I got the bug as a kid when my father took us to the airport. He was mildly interested but I loved it. I am not a prolific collector of models although I have many and collected airline "stuff" 30+ years. I love the history of the aircraft, the airlines, the accomplishments, all of it! When I read some of the comments in the various threads, I wonder if other collectors have the same love or interest in the history? Learning about the aircraft, the airlines, their competition, and so on makes the hobby much more enjoyable. I may be preaching to the choir so please excuse me but I just wanted to contribute to this thread. The attachment is a TWA Super Constellation landing on runway 4 at LaGuardia
circa early 1960's taken by my father.
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