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I'm also into trains a great deal, and almost every other plane geek I've ever met likes them to some degree also.

A thought hit me a little while back... why aren't there any small-scale diecast trains to collect? A lot of people no longer have the time, space, money, or desire to build an operating model railroad layout (in fact, the model railroad hobby as a whole is showing signs of decline), but I'm sure they would enjoy the opportunity to collect and display models of their favorite locomotives and rolling stock. It seems that model trains just keep getting pricier and pricier with each passing year; the latest locomotives come with built-in electronic controllers and some even have sound!), and it's really pointless for anyone to justify spending that sort of money on an operable model if their intent is only to place it on static display in their living room or man cave.

If models are intended solely for static display rather than operation, there wouldn't even necessarily be a need to be confined to the established model railroad scales... 1:200 or 1:250 (or possibly even 1:300) would be a nicely collectible and affordable size. For instance, the Electro-Motive GP40 (and all other EMD 4-axle models on up through the GP60) are 59 feet, 2 inches long... or roughly 3 1/2 inches long in 1:200, or 2.8 inches in 1:250.

When I was a child, my father and I had an N scale model layout. But it got to the point where all of the new stuff coming out was overwhelmingly expensive, and eventually we were forced out of the hobby altogether when we sold the house and moved into an apartment in another city. How many others have been in this situation? There seems to be a huge untapped market here. It's hard for me to understand why nobody's tried to fill it...

I did in fact present my idea to a well-known manufacturer of diecast aircraft, but they rejected it because they are not interested in venturing beyond aviation subjects.

Is there anyone else on here who thinks that diecast trains would be a neat hobby to get into, if only it existed?

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You have a good idea there, and no, I don't know why anyone has never done it seriously before (there are the occasional models, usually plastic/resin, but they never seem to be particularly brilliant and are more like toys anyway), although I guess the markets are aimed solely at Ready To Run models (RTR).

Actually, why not lobby the manufacturers to produce existing RTR models, but without the motor? Problem solved!! (And you can always fit a motor at a later date if needed too!!). That would be the easiest answer!!
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I used to have a really cool oak display cabinet with tracks on each shelf in which I displayed different HO engines, most of which were dummy engines that I bought for cheap on ebay. I ended up selling it to a local train nut and got all my money back, but it was fun to have it and I got numerous compliments on it.
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Yeah, I got me some T gauge I try to work with, and am stockpiling N Gauge "for when that day comes". Apart from that, I actually go out and try catching the real thing. Here is a set I did a couple months ago of the Norfolk Southern OCS came into Jacksonville on a special trip for employees, also have quite a few other films and photos I hadn't published on my flickr of my other trips through the years:
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I read the OP, Indy, you should check out T-Gauge! There are actually shells you can get of North American Prototypes, and a few different European and Japanese ones that are RTR. There is a German guy who even mastered the Worm gear in the gauge! Sadly I don't think any of the manufactures had picked up on it! There used to be a good site and forum about it, but it is no longer updated and the quality forum is now gone. Reading up the blog, it sounds to echo an issue we had here a couple months back, but even worse!

But other places will rise I'm sure.

There are die cast locomotives out there. Del Prado made a series of them representing stuff from all over!
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I'm glad to see that there are other train lovers on here, and that you all don't think my idea's totally crazy!!

What I'm proposing is actually a new hobby... as different from model railroading as diecast aircraft collecting is from R/C flying. These models could be much less expensive to acquire in quantity because not only would the locomotives not need motors and sound/DCC/lighting electronics, but wheels and couplers wouldn't need to be functional either and could possibly even be done as simple one-piece castings (the truck frame together with the wheelsets). In a scale small enough, details such as grab irons, lights, and uncoupling levers could simply be printed on or omitted altogether. Locomotive handrails and stanchions could be molded in one piece of engineering plastic (Delrin, I think?) as is done on most N scale models today, or in a scale small enough, possibly even printed in color on a strip of clear acetate and affixed along the side sill.

As I said before, there would be no need for conformity to existing model railroad scales either. Scales as small as 1:250 or even 1:320 could theoretically be feasible (though I suspect 1:400 or smaller might be a bit too small for the tastes of most). And possibly even more than one option, as we DAC'ers have our choice of (mainly) 1:200, 1:400, or 1:500.

And it wouldn't necessarily be competitive in nature with model railroading either... one could theoretically have a diecast train cabinet in the living/dining area, and an HO-scale empire filling the basement!

I have a feeling if I run this by enough people, somebody's going to realize there's good money to be made here and pick up on it.
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I like my HO scale layout under the tree at Christmas time.
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Do you mean diecast, trains, I collected some from a Company called De Agostini I think is the name. There like N gauge sized, come in a plastic case and mostly on Ebay from overseas sellers. Pretty nice though overall for the money, there not expensive either.

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I'm also into trains a great deal, and almost every other plane geek I've ever met likes them to some degree also.

A thought hit me a little while back... why aren't there any small-scale diecast trains to collect? A lot of people no longer have the time, space, money, or desire to build an operating model railroad layout (in fact, the model railroad hobby as a whole is showing signs of decline), but I'm sure they would enjoy the opportunity to collect and display models of their favorite locomotives and rolling stock. It seems that model trains just keep getting pricier and pricier with each passing year; the latest locomotives come with built-in electronic controllers and some even have sound!), and it's really pointless for anyone to justify spending that sort of money on an operable model if their intent is only to place it on static display in their living room or man cave.

If models are intended solely for static display rather than operation, there wouldn't even necessarily be a need to be confined to the established model railroad scales... 1:200 or 1:250 (or possibly even 1:300) would be a nicely collectible and affordable size. For instance, the Electro-Motive GP40 (and all other EMD 4-axle models on up through the GP60) are 59 feet, 2 inches long... or roughly 3 1/2 inches long in 1:200, or 2.8 inches in 1:250.

When I was a child, my father and I had an N scale model layout. But it got to the point where all of the new stuff coming out was overwhelmingly expensive, and eventually we were forced out of the hobby altogether when we sold the house and moved into an apartment in another city. How many others have been in this situation? There seems to be a huge untapped market here. It's hard for me to understand why nobody's tried to fill it...

I did in fact present my idea to a well-known manufacturer of diecast aircraft, but they rejected it because they are not interested in venturing beyond aviation subjects.

Is there anyone else on here who thinks that diecast trains would be a neat hobby to get into, if only it existed?
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Do you mean diecast, trains, I collected some from a Company called De Agostini I think is the name. There like N gauge sized, come in a plastic case and mostly on Ebay from overseas sellers. Pretty nice though overall for the money, there not expensive either.

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TY5 PKP Poland 1947 N 1 160 License Del Prado | eBay

The Last One Duchess Class Steam Locomotive UK 1933 N 1 160 Original Del Prado | eBay

Denver Rio Grande Krauss Maffei C C USA N 1 160 Original Del Prado | eBay

Del Prado Locomotive F45 Santa FE 100 USA 1 160 N Gauge | eBay

T679 2 CSD N 1 160 License Del Prado | eBay

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Check out Amercom 1/160 locomotives on Ebay

They have some 20.99 free shipping

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..... Dating myself I once worked for Delaware & Hudson, then Penn Central/Conrail. I've accumulated HO and OO scale. I've only had a 4 x 8 ft layout many years ago.
..... My prize locomotives are a pair of AC Marklin engines, an 0-8-0T and a 2-8-0 that are approaching 60 years old and probably have not run in about 50 years (no clue if the still function). My favorite is a FS e636 class, which I got to run a real e636 with the help of some employees I became friends with at Catania (Sicily) Station. I also have a repainted GP9 in the PC livery, # 7545, which I often drove on MBTA commuter trains out of South Station, Boston.

..... I've thousands of photos of trains, a few dating back to the 1880s. This was begun by my dad, continued by me but no telling if my son will consider it of any interest ever.

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I only ever saw one E636, E636.008 at Venezia San Lucia Stazione... Oh yes and the E636.284 'Camila' a loco that was rebuilt to look like a modern loco after an accident. It has since been preserved!

I went to Italy 3 years ago in the vain hope that some might still exist, waiting to be scrapped, but all I saw were condemmed 'E646s.


You were lucky.

12 have been preserved!!

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Which is a load of crap as, if I'd had the money, I'd have preserved E636008, not to mention several others on the spot!!
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..... Dating myself I once worked for Delaware & Hudson, then Penn Central/Conrail. I've accumulated HO and OO scale. I've only had a 4 x 8 ft layout many years ago.
..... My prize locomotives are a pair of AC Marklin engines, an 0-8-0T and a 2-8-0 that are approaching 60 years old and probably have not run in about 50 years (no clue if the still function). My favorite is a FS e636 class, which I got to run a real e636 with the help of some employees I became friends with at Catania (Sicily) Station. I also have a repainted GP9 in the PC livery, # 7545, which I often drove on MBTA commuter trains out of South Station, Boston.

..... I've thousands of photos of trains, a few dating back to the 1880s. This was begun by my dad, continued by me but no telling if my son will consider it of any interest ever.

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Last week, I got lucky while filming at Norfolk Southern's Portlock Yard in Chesapeake. Penn Central Heritage Locomotive (EMD SD70ACe) was leading a coal unit train to Lamberts Point Docks.

Besides collecting, did your dad take photos? Which railroads and locations? I belong to a local rail club and meet at a church once every two months for slide presentations, discussions and purchases. And of course, munchies!
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I love trains too, but not static, i love the to see them in motion.

I never considered collecting them because they take up too much space since i would like to get HO scale.
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I collect motorized N gauge trains from KATO and TOMIX. Most of them are Japanese trains from the city and airport area. I added interior lights to each train and it looks mesmerizing at night. Also have some HO gauge as well. But have no space to run it........ I quit the hobby because the yen currency rose up therefore making it more expensive to buy trains from Japan.
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Model trains are an interesing subject.
If its static models your after, well you can't really go past anything that is being released by the current manufacturers. The quality of the Chinese manufacturing is equal to a static model but it just means you get a mechanism with it.
Down side is it will cost you quite a bit more.

I'm probably the only person on this forum collection Australian gear.....
and I also collect N scale Japanese stuff.
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I'm also into trains a great deal, and almost every other plane geek I've ever met likes them to some degree also.

A thought hit me a little while back... why aren't there any small-scale diecast trains to collect? A lot of people no longer have the time, space, money, or desire to build an operating model railroad layout (in fact, the model railroad hobby as a whole is showing signs of decline), but I'm sure they would enjoy the opportunity to collect and display models of their favorite locomotives and rolling stock. It seems that model trains just keep getting pricier and pricier with each passing year; the latest locomotives come with built-in electronic controllers and some even have sound!), and it's really pointless for anyone to justify spending that sort of money on an operable model if their intent is only to place it on static display in their living room or man cave.

If models are intended solely for static display rather than operation, there wouldn't even necessarily be a need to be confined to the established model railroad scales... 1:200 or 1:250 (or possibly even 1:300) would be a nicely collectible and affordable size. For instance, the Electro-Motive GP40 (and all other EMD 4-axle models on up through the GP60) are 59 feet, 2 inches long... or roughly 3 1/2 inches long in 1:200, or 2.8 inches in 1:250.

When I was a child, my father and I had an N scale model layout. But it got to the point where all of the new stuff coming out was overwhelmingly expensive, and eventually we were forced out of the hobby altogether when we sold the house and moved into an apartment in another city. How many others have been in this situation? There seems to be a huge untapped market here. It's hard for me to understand why nobody's tried to fill it...

I did in fact present my idea to a well-known manufacturer of diecast aircraft, but they rejected it because they are not interested in venturing beyond aviation subjects.

Is there anyone else on here who thinks that diecast trains would be a neat hobby to get into, if only it existed?
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Gawd . . . electric trains. In my world its bad enough I'm addicted to aviation.

I love trains, but I just don't have the space, even though we live in a generous sized apartment. HO gives the best detail, but N gauge is my preference as it comes in closer to 1:200. (Well, if one can call 1:160 / 1:200 'close')

Most interesting 'static' rolling gear was the EFE 1:76 London Underground tube set from 1938. The destination boards were 'Cockfosters'. Stupid me passed on them. D'oH!
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I like all trains. Grew up with steam. Favourite train; Uckfield to London Bridge, England, because both stations at end of line and can always get seat! Second ( sometimes ) favourite G.C., NYC to Beacon, just for Grand Central Station pleasures and North on the Hudson shore-line. ( not counting when it came off the rails at the end of November ) First train memory 'Golden Arrow' steam loco (actually loaded onto Channel Ferry, I think ) thence to Montreux Switzerland 1946. Most relaxing and easy to use: Any trains in Switzerland or Japan ( when someone else was paying, or out of expenses, needs to be said ) Most surprising....Bullet train South from Osaka, Japan....so much in tunnels. Not the hoped for view.

Next train journey.....non-stop Eastbourne to Brighton, England, due parking in Brighton such a drag.



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I like all trains. Grew up with steam. Favourite train; Uckfield to London Bridge, England, because both stations at end of line and can always get seat!
Ah yes, a route I did several years ago when the class 205/7 DEMU 'Thumper' units were still blasting about.

The '171s nowadays just aren't the same. The 'Thumpers' were fairly insane things though!

'Lets make a series of units types with a loco engine in one of the driving coaches (rendering the other coaches nice and quiet in comparison), and lets make it so that that engine takes up half the coach so that anyone travelling in that coach will either be deafened or shaken to pieces by it.... And then whilst we are at it, lets make the engine have such a loud exhaust base note so that you can genuinely hear the thing several miles away as it makes its distinctive 'Thump Thump' noise when the power is applied..... And we shall nickname them.... Thumpers due to that sound!!'

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First train memory 'Golden Arrow' steam loco (actually loaded onto Channel Ferry, I think ) thence to Montreux Switzerland 1946.
Yes the old Golden Arrow/Fleche D'Or London - Paris service, I wish I'd been old enough to have seen it and the locos in all the finery!!

The coaches were loaded by the way, but the locos were not - You got a British loco on one side (typically a 'Merchant Navy' post war and later, a class 71 from about 1959), and a ruddy great big French one on the other (the French loco would have fouled the UK loading gauge anyway).

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Next train journey.....non-stop Eastbourne to Brighton, England, due parking in Brighton such a drag.
Is that a '377 EMU or is it the '171 DMU service?? I can never remember.

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.......Well, you got me there on the Uckfield train ident......I'm guessing it's a DMU type, since I once asked a driver about the power units, and he said "three London Bendy Bus engines". I didn't count the number of cars on that schedule, so maybe sometimes two? I understand that because they're diesel, they can't operate into Victoria.

Interesting to learn that our streamline looking Golden Arrow steam loco didn't join us on the boat spitting cinders. I wondered about that. Can't recall 1946, but later on during the 1950s, I remember that we had to change at the Paris Gare du Nord for our connection to Montreux. I expect that the little blue train from there to our village, Château D'Oex on the Zweisimmen line still looks the same as it did in the 1940s, although I haven't been back for a long while.
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Is that a '377 EMU or is it the '171 DMU service?? I can never remember.
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When I used the Eastbourne to Brighton for the first time last month, I didn't look or listen out for type of power plant......sorry. This on account of loquacious wife-type companion regarding real or model aeroplanes, trains, or cars, pulverisingly tedious. Any way it was a bit of a rush both ways, and I dare say that there wouldn't have been a conversational gap ( her's mainly ) for an enquiry to be made. The days when a pause at an open cab to thank the driver, and perhaps on occasion make a polite enquiry, have pretty much passed. Having said that, one of my children recently emigrated to Blaenau Ffestiniog, North Wales. On meeting the steam train from Porth Madog, we found the engine crew extremely friendly and informative. It was on an early morning Diesel trip from London to Uckfield last winter, that I was one of only two passengers by the time we reached Crowborough and had to transfer to a replacement bus service due to wet leaves on the line. The bus driver was a convincing train expert, and explained how the modern brakes worked, and how they couldn't cope with wet leaves. He then continued to explain how the system of sand or grit dispensers ahead of old fashioned engine's wheels were constructed........Well, I can't vouch that my fellow passenger was exactly riveted, but for me, it seemed to pass the time agreeably enough......
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.......Well, you got me there on the Uckfield train ident......I'm guessing it's a DMU type, since I once asked a driver about the power units, and he said "three London Bendy Bus engines". I didn't count the number of cars on that schedule, so maybe sometimes two? I understand that because they're diesel, they can't operate into Victoria.
That will be the class 171s. Yes, a DMU, (Diesel Multiple Unit).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_171

The class 205 and '207 'Thumpers' were DEMUs (Diesel Electric Multiple Unit), had hulking big English Electric power units and ran from c.1957 - December 2004. They were loud, smelly and they had slam doors too. Believe me, if you ever travelled in the 'Power coach' of a 'Thumper' you'd have known all about it!!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_205

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_207

Actually there were several different versions and were class 201 -207. They ran on the unelectrified lines in London and the south east, including Clapham Junction to Kensington Olympia and other similar lines as well as in Berkshire, Hampshire and Dorset, from the '50s and '60s, mainly up until the '80s/'90s, and in their last years, as well as the London Bridge - Oxted - Uckfield line (class 205), they were most well known for working the Ashford - Hastings line (class 207). The class 205 and '207 were the last surviving classes in service, surviving until December 2004, and several are now in preservation happily Thumping about the country.

They might not be much to look at, but is only because of their Southern Region heritage and the fact they were built using the same basic design as several EMU types at the time such as the EPBs.

http://youtu.be/fJxBKskLvQw

A couple were also involved/written off in the Cowden accident in the '90s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowden_rail_crash

There were slimline versions for certain lines that had double tracks through exceptionally narrow tunnels, and one of these, a preserved class 201, unit 1001 still runs special services on the mainline, augmented by (noticeably wider) EMU coaches often well away from its original Southern Region stamping ground. I have travelled on it from Great Yarmouth to Norwich for example.

http://www.hastingsdiesels.co.uk/1001/


The modern day class 171 on the other hand has either two or four coaches depending on the sub class, have sliding doors and are as dull as ditchwater in comparison! 'Nuff said!

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I expect that the little blue train from there to our village, Château D'Oex on the Zweisimmen line still looks the same as it did in the 1940s, although I haven't been back for a long while.
There are some very old trains still running in Switzerland, but I think they have modern stock now, sorry.

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Is that a '377 EMU or is it the '171 DMU service?? I can never remember.
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When I used the Eastbourne to Brighton for the first time last month, I didn't look or listen out for type of power plant......sorry.

It is most likely a class 377 which is a 3rd rail electric EMU (Electric Multiple Unit). I think I've got the wrong route.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_377


If however it sounds like a bus then it'll be a '171.
Just as the '171s replaced the 'Thumpers' in 2004, the class 377s helped replace the old slam door Electric Units in 2005, i.e. the CEPS, VEPs and CIGs.

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Having said that, one of my children recently emigrated to Blaenau Ffestiniog, North Wales. On meeting the steam train from Porth Madog, we found the engine crew extremely friendly and informative.
Preserved lines are largely worked by volunteers, so they tend to be more willing to stop and chat.


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It was on an early morning Diesel trip from London to Uckfield last winter, that I was one of only two passengers by the time we reached Crowborough and had to transfer to a replacement bus service due to wet leaves on the line. The bus driver was a convincing train expert, and explained how the modern brakes worked, and how they couldn't cope with wet leaves. He then continued to explain how the system of sand or grit dispensers ahead of old fashioned engine's wheels were constructed........Well, I can't vouch that my fellow passenger was exactly riveted, but for me, it seemed to pass the time agreeably enough......
Interesting! Units tend not to have as much natural adhesion as a loco, and the class 171s will be no exception. I wonder about the old 'Thumpers' though seeing as they did have loco power units in them!
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Oh and they also had/have 'Thumpers' in Northern Ireland, but to different designs!

I last saw them on the Belfast - Larne route in 2011 and all have been withdrawn now except for some now in Departmental use.

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And the 'Castle' class, an 1980s creation with old power units from withdrawn Class 70s dating from the '50s in them!


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So someone tell me where my username came from. Clue - A classic family of British Rail classes built in the late '50s/early '60s!!



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I work for Network Rail and it rubs off on you, as I am surrounded by train buffs every day. In a previous life I had a large OO-gauge layout in pre-war Great Western Railway period with several steam locos and rolling stock. Unfortunately these days I just don't have the time to devote to it and aviation has always had priority in my life, so I had to make a decision whether to do trains or planes and the latter won! I sold off about 90% of my model railway and just kept a couple of locos and some classic chocolate & cream coaches which I have on static display.
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I work for Network Rail and it rubs off on you, as I am surrounded by train buffs every day. In a previous life I had a large OO-gauge layout in pre-war Great Western Railway period with several steam locos and rolling stock. Unfortunately these days I just don't have the time to devote to it and aviation has always had priority in my life, so I had to make a decision whether to do trains or planes and the latter won! I sold off about 90% of my model railway and just kept a couple of locos and some classic chocolate & cream coaches which I have on static display.
I wasn't aware of that, what do you do??


As for models, yes I have umpteen OO gauge models that I need to sell, but I have no layout, so I have some on display too. Railways have always been my number one priority!!
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It's interesting how the various modes of transportation will rub off on us over time. While my airline displays and reading still dominate, there is very little left to collect. I've recently purchased another HO locomotive with rolling stock for a static display and I am very active in filming trains, attending a local rail club and viewing rail dvds with my dad. A couple of those dvds have excellent postwar documentaries about railroading in Great Britain.
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. . . It's hard for me to understand why nobody's tried to fill it...
Well, Corgi in the UK has a limited number of static display diecast train locos (classics) that they offer that you should be aware of:

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I did in fact present my idea to a well-known manufacturer of diecast aircraft, but they rejected it because they are not interested in venturing beyond aviation subjects.
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Is there anyone else on here who thinks that diecast trains would be a neat hobby to get into, if only it existed?
Sure. As I mentioned in a previous post, I would have bought that EFE London Underground 1938 static diecast tube train set if I wasn't such a procrastinating and cheap dolt!
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Anyone remember when I said that forum for T-Gauge was gone now? Well some folks decided to bring it back I'm happy to say! Sadly, all the posts from the old forum are gone, as they restarted from scratch, but there are some neat developments going on!
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"Kodachrome" SDP45! Startlingly good colour photo, dboyd001, and a reminder of the always practical American look to engineering. ( I say 'look', because my background has a lot to do with American aeroplanes, and nothing whatever to do with trains )

A Samsung S3 phone is about as good a camera as I'm ever likely to own. Even so, one favourite memory of trains that stands out was the train museum outside St Louis. I had a couple or three days off on a working trip in the U.S., and drove out to this site.......maybe twenty years ago. There seemed hardly any one there, and there were lines of trains both ancient and modern. Open to inspection in a rather eerie and silent rural atmosphere of abandonment. ( 'transport museum St Louis' into Google Earth Street View, nails it. A few photos to zoom in on as well ) Also, one Summer's day as a small child in England, I did get a foot-plate Army steam engine ride around a closed circuit run by the War Office. ( I'm guessing that this might have been Didcot? )

.......Yup, if I could start again from age 10, or thereabouts, I would go for model trains rather than aeroplanes. ( die-cast model aeroplanes excepted ) Vis, a hugely lower risk of total hull loss, resulting in an un-recoverable loss of pocket money. Measurably less defiance of gravity involved, and trains almost never hit the buffers at cruising speed.
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Upkeep, I have some of those London Underground '38 Stock models, I'll have to dig out later what I have and let you know if you want them!!
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Model trains are just too expensive for me to be interested in them.
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Model trains are just too expensive for me to be interested in them.
I think that phrase can't be used much anymore, as many manufactues have been breaking the $40/model mark lately for their Widebodies, and not far away from doing it with their Narrowbodies. And that is in 1:400!

I don't know. It could be the situation in Australia, and for Australian Rolling stock (I understand that mass produced prototypically modeled stuff from Australia tends to be a rather newer subject, and everything before hand were North American and European Prototypes pretending to be Australian, so that might add largely to a cost) but in Central Florida at least, we get plenty of shows per year (in fact, we have one coming up tomorrow up in Deland.) These help provide a chance to get some very good locomotives and rolling stock for real cheap. Most two most recent locos were an Atlas L&N C628 and an Atlas L&N GP30 in N Scale. Both New and never run, and $60 and $50 respectively, not bad when you consider that our 1:400 scale models are starting to be priced around there. Picked up some Used locos of great quality and condition for under 40 as well! Even picked up a good 35 feet of Flex track for 25 bucks at the last one I was at! That is the case in N Gauge! If you model HO gauge, which has been far more dominant since the late 1960s at least, or are big into Lionel O Gauge (a staple of a lot of shows that are held in Shriner halls), possibly even better deals can be made there.

Regrettably though, prices for T-Gauge have gotten really pricey since its inception in 2008, but I have a feeling it has more to do with lower demand causing the main manufacture to step back from producing more. I'm thankful I ordered everything I need for my current project right before the first sharp price increase in 2010. I think it didn't help for the biggest retailer in the US just happening to be the distributor, and one that sold to the public at the same price as retailers, or so I've been told by a former retailer at a show. Of course, it seems there is a pretty healthy market in the UK seeing how many UK releases have been made (BR Class 43, various Deltics, etc.)

Long story short though, shows like these is what keeps the hobby fresh and going for a lot of folks. The Kinda deals I see there totally blow the retailers away, both "Brick and Mortar" and internet retailers, even those that sell 2nd hand quite a bit. Of course, it doesn't only apply for just trains, I find that Airliner shows are not much different in the good shopping one can make! I highly regret that aside from AI 2009, which was held here in Orlando (and thankful I went, met a couple of the names we see around these parts), there are no shows like that within a reasonable driving distance of me!
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I think that phrase can't be used much anymore, as many manufactues have been breaking the $40/model mark lately for their Widebodies, and not far away from doing it with their Narrowbodies. And that is in 1:400!

I don't know. It could be the situation in Australia, and for Australian Rolling stock (I understand that mass produced prototypically modeled stuff from Australia tends to be a rather newer subject, and everything before hand were North American and European Prototypes pretending to be Australian, so that might add largely to a cost) but in Central Florida at least, we get plenty of shows per year (in fact, we have one coming up tomorrow up in Deland.) These help provide a chance to get some very good locomotives and rolling stock for real cheap. Most two most recent locos were an Atlas L&N C628 and an Atlas L&N GP30 in N Scale. Both New and never run, and $60 and $50 respectively, not bad when you consider that our 1:400 scale models are starting to be priced around there. Picked up some Used locos of great quality and condition for under 40 as well! Even picked up a good 35 feet of Flex track for 25 bucks at the last one I was at! That is the case in N Gauge! If you model HO gauge, which has been far more dominant since the late 1960s at least, or are big into Lionel O Gauge (a staple of a lot of shows that are held in Shriner halls), possibly even better deals can be made there.

Regrettably though, prices for T-Gauge have gotten really pricey since its inception in 2008, but I have a feeling it has more to do with lower demand causing the main manufacture to step back from producing more. I'm thankful I ordered everything I need for my current project right before the first sharp price increase in 2010. I think it didn't help for the biggest retailer in the US just happening to be the distributor, and one that sold to the public at the same price as retailers, or so I've been told by a former retailer at a show. Of course, it seems there is a pretty healthy market in the UK seeing how many UK releases have been made (BR Class 43, various Deltics, etc.)

Long story short though, shows like these is what keeps the hobby fresh and going for a lot of folks. The Kinda deals I see there totally blow the retailers away, both "Brick and Mortar" and internet retailers, even those that sell 2nd hand quite a bit. Of course, it doesn't only apply for just trains, I find that Airliner shows are not much different in the good shopping one can make! I highly regret that aside from AI 2009, which was held here in Orlando (and thankful I went, met a couple of the names we see around these parts), there are no shows like that within a reasonable driving distance of me!
I was talking about "HO" size I think it was? I could look on a local hobby store website and that would be the only size available or close to it, and here they're going for $300 - $400+ each. Couple this with low number of model railway conventions (only occur on the other side of the country I believe) and it just isn't as interesting to me as aviation is. I also feel that Australia has a stronger history in terms of aviation than locomotives. Sounds like a enjoyable hobby though.
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I was talking about "HO" size I think it was? I could look on a local hobby store website and that would be the only size available or close to it, and here they're going for $300 - $400+ each. Couple this with low number of model railway conventions (only occur on the other side of the country I believe) and it just isn't as interesting to me as aviation is. I also feel that Australia has a stronger history in terms of aviation than locomotives. Sounds like a enjoyable hobby though.
Wow, $300 to $400 is crazy. That tends to be the lower end for some Brass locos here for American Prototypes! Even a lot of European stuff, which is often more expensive is typically priced at half that from what I notice.

Do think that Australia does have a great history with locomotives. A lot are imports from the UK or US, but they do have a history and look that I feel is distinctly Australian.
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Wow, $300 to $400 is crazy. That tends to be the lower end for some Brass locos here for American Prototypes! Even a lot of European stuff, which is often more expensive is typically priced at half that from what I notice.

Do think that Australia does have a great history with locomotives. A lot are imports from the UK or US, but they do have a history and look that I feel is distinctly Australian.
I would say Australia has the least history with locomotives in the western world. Any trains here are conventional electric and diesel used in transportation and mining respectively.
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Well, the same could be said for a lot of countries really, and there are countries out there that have less to do with railroads that are considered fairly modern. A lot of trains that I observe in Florida seem to be used more in hauling natural resources (like Phosphate and Byproducts from Florida's Bone Valley, or bringing in coal form up north for our Power Stations.) In fact, the most common pieces of rolling stock you'll see in the US tend to be Hoppers and Autoracks. Electric locomotives outside the Northeast Corridor are very rare too, and Passenger trains not as frequent as they used to be outside that region, if at all in some places. Louisville and Nashville for example haven't really had much of a rail connection to them after Amtrak's Floridian was Discontinued in the late 1970s, and Florida is down to 4 intercity trains a day (91,92,97,98; and These only run up and down the East Coast, without much of a direct passenger rail connection to the Midwest until you get to Washington D.C. or NYC)), compared with 6 trains 10 years before and at least 10 or 12 in the early 1970s (with now gone names like Champion and Floridian (which split into two trains in Jacksonville, one to St. Pete down the A line and one to Miami down the S line) serving along side the Silver Service trains that remain today on the timetable. There are always rumors of the Sunset Limited coming back to Florida after it was Truncated to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, but these are always on-off things sadly.

Like I said, there are still some very iconic locomotives used down where you guys are! I mean, some of the designs made by Clyde Engineering seem to stick out in particular, and there are some well known steam locos (ever hear of the Garret steam locos? I think they're pretty neat looking designs, and were used the world over). In terms of models, I think the real issue is availability and diversity of manufactures for you guys (the only manufacture that I notice that makes prototypical things for Australian stock seems to really offer a high quality product, even complete with weathering on some units, where if you'd find someone who'd offer something like what you'd see in Atlas and Kato locomotives in the US, and at respective quantity, you'd likely see prices being at most a quarter of those), as well as drastically different looks for different railroads as well, and I'm not just talking about a different coat of paint! So I'd say this, Australia has quite a bit of experience, it just seems instead of focusing on compatibility between various roads like the US, it seems everyone was doing their own thing between various modes of coupling and track gauges.
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Well, the same could be said for a lot of countries really, and there are countries out there that have less to do with railroads that are considered fairly modern. A lot of trains that I observe in Florida seem to be used more in hauling natural resources (like Phosphate and Byproducts from Florida's Bone Valley, or bringing in coal form up north for our Power Stations.) In fact, the most common pieces of rolling stock you'll see in the US tend to be Hoppers and Autoracks. Electric locomotives outside the Northeast Corridor are very rare too, and Passenger trains not as frequent as they used to be outside that region, if at all in some places. Louisville and Nashville for example haven't really had much of a rail connection to them after Amtrak's Floridian was Discontinued in the late 1970s, and Florida is down to 4 intercity trains a day (91,92,97,98; and These only run up and down the East Coast, without much of a direct passenger rail connection to the Midwest until you get to Washington D.C. or NYC)), compared with 6 trains 10 years before and at least 10 or 12 in the early 1970s (with now gone names like Champion and Floridian (which split into two trains in Jacksonville, one to St. Pete down the A line and one to Miami down the S line) serving along side the Silver Service trains that remain today on the timetable. There are always rumors of the Sunset Limited coming back to Florida after it was Truncated to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, but these are always on-off things sadly.

Like I said, there are still some very iconic locomotives used down where you guys are! I mean, some of the designs made by Clyde Engineering seem to stick out in particular, and there are some well known steam locos (ever hear of the Garret steam locos? I think they're pretty neat looking designs, and were used the world over). In terms of models, I think the real issue is availability and diversity of manufactures for you guys (the only manufacture that I notice that makes prototypical things for Australian stock seems to really offer a high quality product, even complete with weathering on some units, where if you'd find someone who'd offer something like what you'd see in Atlas and Kato locomotives in the US, and at respective quantity, you'd likely see prices being at most a quarter of those), as well as drastically different looks for different railroads as well, and I'm not just talking about a different coat of paint! So I'd say this, Australia has quite a bit of experience, it just seems instead of focusing on compatibility between various roads like the US, it seems everyone was doing their own thing between various modes of coupling and track gauges.
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Barely. There is the NEC I mentioned earlier, which I think a very small section got certified for 150 mph operation for the Acela service, but that only goes between Boston and Washington DC. Outside that, the fastest most passenger trains get to nowadays is about 80-90 mph since those rails are mostly optimized for Freight traffic, though some services hit 110 mph. California has been developing its own system (with a fair number of Floridians being bitter about it, since that money originally meant for our system until the Governor killed it off). Florida East Coast has been starting their own attempt to get a scheme going (no, I'm not going to name it, the name sounds like it was thought up of by a 5 year old) within Florida, the Miami - Orlando section should average 100 mph, but that is still some time away.

But to be honest, when comparing it to what you see in Europe and China and Japan, it really can't compare well.
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Well, the first stage is supposed to be Miami and Orlando, and the 2nd stage is supposed to be Orlando to Jacksonville, with a possible link to Tampa if it is successful, though I fail to see this working out since that would mean having to take the "A Line" through Lakeland, which is owned by CSX, and FEC and CSX have a history of not exactly liking one another a lot more than other roads.

That isn't the name of the service though. Believe me, the name is far more bland and unimaginative than you may think. I feel embarrassed even THINKING of typing it out! It's almost as if they asked a 5 year old to name it.

Thankfully, Google knew what I was talking about when I typed in "FEC Passenger"
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Well, the first stage is supposed to be Miami and Orlando, and the 2nd stage is supposed to be Orlando to Jacksonville, with a possible link to Tampa if it is successful, though I fail to see this working out since that would mean having to take the "A Line" through Lakeland, which is owned by CSX, and FEC and CSX have a history of not exactly liking one another a lot more than other roads.

That isn't the name of the service though. Believe me, the name is far more bland and unimaginative than you may think. I feel embarrassed even THINKING of typing it out! It's almost as if they asked a 5 year old to name it.

Thankfully, Google knew what I was talking about when I typed in "FEC Passenger"
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I'm not sure what to search for... Please enlighten me to the name of this far-more-advanced-than-any-Australian-railway initiative.
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I'm not sure what to search for... Please enlighten me to the name of this far-more-advanced-than-any-Australian-railway initiative.
I gave you the link on the bottom of the post. It isn't all that advanced, it's really quite old school from what I understand, using re-furbed ATSF Bi-level commuter cars and maybe some F59PHIs or MPI commuter locos. The only good thing is now it'll take 3 hours or so to get to Miami via train rather than the 6+ from Orlando that it used to take with Amtrak's Silver Service. Still, the time saving is almost comparable to actually driving there by car, since that's about how long it takes to get to Miami from Orlando anyways.
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