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Old 10-30-2013, 02:47 PM   #1
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I'm really very concerned about the safety of children under 14 and their exposure to collectors' model aircraft.

There are apparently small, dangerous parts on these models,presenting a choking hazard,as is clearly indicated on both the Phoenix and Gemini Jets packaging (see below).

My question is this: Should we, as responsible adult collectors, not be trying to protect the safety of those under 14 on this forum from such an unspeakable demise? How can we have a clear conscience knowing that every day, certain very frequent users on here are in mortal danger due to their model aeroplanes...perhaps one of them might choke on a loose engine? Or he may swallow a tiny piece of undercarriage, rendering him unable to breathe?

We, as responsible, caring adults, should not stand by as the safety warnings which are so clearly marked on the packaging are blatantly disregarded while 12-year olds lives' are in such danger...

(PS:This thread is intended as tongue-in cheek )
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Slow news day in your town, eh?
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I'm really very concerned about the safety of children under 14 and their exposure to collectors' model aircraft.

There are apparently small, dangerous parts on these models,presenting a choking hazard,as is clearly indicated on both the Phoenix and Gemini Jets packaging (see below).

My question is this: Should we, as responsible adult collectors, not be trying to protect the safety of those under 14 on this forum from such an unspeakable demise? How can we have a clear conscience knowing that every day, certain very frequent users on here are in mortal danger due to their model aeroplanes...perhaps one of them might choke on a loose QANTAS Wallabies 747 engine? Or he may swallow a tiny piece of undercarriage, rendering him unable to breathe?

We, as responsible, caring adults, should not stand by as the safety warnings which are so clearly marked on the packaging are blatantly disregarded while 12-year olds lives' are in such danger...

(PS:This thread is intended as tongue-in cheek )
I have a spare drycleaning bag I would trade for that dangerous model.
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Don`t have one of those and shipping to the UK would be a killer
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As I am 13 I feel the age restriction is a bit high as above the age of 10 you should be fully responsible of your actions and would know that if you swallowed something small it would harm you!
That's my thought anyway
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As I am 13 I feel the age restriction is a bit high as above the age of 10 you should be fully responsible of your actions and would know that if you swallowed something small it would harm you!
That's my thought anyway
I agree. The age restriction should be 10 years old.
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It isn't necessarily an age restriction, but rather a suggestion. Sorta like the serving size label on the back of a food product or an ESRB rating*.

*At some stores, that is a restriction (some places won't sell M rated games per company policy to minors without a guardian present (and how they determine that is beyond me.))
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Callume190- you seem from the kinds of posts and threads you've put up on here to be a very mature, intelligent 13 year old and you are a pleasure to have on this forum.
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Callume190- you seem from the kinds of posts and threads you've put up on here to be a very mature, intelligent 13 year old and you are a pleasure to have on this forum.
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I think that's the first time someone ever said that to me!
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Well I say that because you honestly do contribute quite significantly to the forum with interesting, relevant topics and posts.
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Me too...read the original post...(tongue in cheek)...
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Well I say that because you honestly do contribute quite significantly to the forum with interesting, relevant topics and posts.
Completely agree with thames.
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I've never understood why an adult cannot ignore a 12 year old. Yeah, its much more mature to make fun of him...

The sad thing is that you were probably a giant pain in the *** when you were 12 but no one was big enough of an ******* to say anything to you.
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I've never understood why an adult cannot ignore a 12 year old. Yeah, its much more mature to make fun of him...

The sad thing is that you were probably a giant pain in the *** when you were 12 but no one was big enough of an ******* to say anything to you.
Furthermore, there are members on here who are anything but annoying- they contribute cogent, coherent input to the forum-they show initiative-they do not act helpless.

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Furthermore, there are other members on here who are anything but annoying- they contribute cogent, coherent input to the forum-they show initiative-they do not act helpless.
Now you are REALLY going to confuse with those big words!
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This is really not a joking matter.

Believe it or not, those warnings are put on the boxes so that the manufactures can get away with not subjecting the models to safety testing.. In essence they are putting the consumer in danger in order to save money.

How do we know? Aero Pro is a bit different, since 2010 we started to test all of our production runs to CPSIA & ASTM F963-08 requirements. In addition most of our clients require Prop-65 requirements from the State of California. ANY model or product we produce MUST meet all these requirements and are tested on a PER PRODUCTION BASIS. That means if we produce plane ABC in 2012, and we produce it again in 2013, we test it EACH time. We no longer produce airline models for the retail market, but any product that comes through AeroPro MUST adhere to all testing requirements.

There are different levels of testing that need to be performed; the amount of testing depends on the age grade. Common Age Grades are 3, 8, 12, and 14. With an age grade of 14, they can escape most of the tests - certain chemical and physical tests still have to be performed. Note we say "most"; challenge one of the manufacturers for their test results for one of these models - by law they should be able to show it to you. In addition, the warnings you see on boxes must meet minimum font sizes, box sizes, must be outlined; in addition to the specific wording that is subject to certain standards.. And for certain age grades, these warning boxes MUST be on the front of the box, not on the back. Plastic bags were mentioned, they must have holes in them and MUST have safety markings printed on them as well.

The marking on the box MUST also contain the name, address, email, phone and fax of the manufacturer. Do you see any of those on most models? Didn't thinks so. Each individual model should have a production # printed on the bottom - if there was a recall this number would be used to trace back those that have an affected model.

Manufacturers will get away with it for now, once one of them gets caught with a model that has too much lead, cadmium or other heavy metal (most heavy metals must be certain PPM regardless of age); it will all change. Someone will get their entire shipment confiscated and will be fined a sizable amount of money. Any item that may have "child appeal" needs to be tested. Don't know about your kids, but my son, when he was 3 love to touch my models; and to this day he still does. BS that they don't have child appeal. Age grading, the physical and mechanical tests, and the chemical analysis can only be performed by an accredited independent 3rd Party testing company approved by the CPSC.

We visited our testing agency, saw the machines that freeze our models via liquid nitrogen, then smash them to pieces with a 20lb ball to turn them into a powder. The chemical tests are run on the resulting powder. We saw how they take them apart, drop them, measure how sharp a point is. Its amazing what goes into it.

And we will be the first to admit, on some of our production runs parts failed. We had to take corrective action and re-test. One item was a thumb screw that keeps our large scale airplane models to the base. It had 300x the amount of allowable lead - regardless of age NO one should be subjected to that lead. We fixed the problem before it reached our client.

There is TONS to this, this is just the tip of the iceberg. But because the tests can cost about $1k-$2k per production run, manufacturers are too cheap to include this test. Instead they slap "adult collectible" on the model and they escape the test for now; at the cost of potentially hurting you or someone else.

Also, you knew the true cost of manufacturing, you'd know that adding the tests, if done properly, would barely increase the cost - from manufacturing, wholesale to retail.

Call us a whistle-blower, but the truth is being hidden from the consumer. And you may not want to put any models in your mouth, or better yet, wash your hands after touching them...

Questions anyone?

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Accidental post.... I made a mistake...thanks.
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Aero Pro...very interesting insight into the legal side of this! I had no idea that consideration was even made for PPM of various metals that are IN the models. Thank you for sharing! Obviously, being produced in China (where I presume health and safety laws are a lot less rigorous), the labelling is there to comply with western sale markets?
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thames, how was your experience on the Egypt Air A300?
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Well, it was from HECA to EGLL...If I recall correctly in 1999.I thought It'd be on their A342, but was rather surprised to be boarding an A300-600R. It was very nice, as it turns out. Thanks for asking.
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Obviously, being produced in China (where I presume health and safety laws are a lot less rigorous), the labelling is there to comply with western sale markets?
That is correct, there are different labeling requirements for USA and the EU. Whats really crazy is that the testing for the EU is much more strict than USA; but you can't use test results for the EU when testing for USA. So for some items you have to run 2 tests. Crazy!

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thames, how was your experience on the Egypt Air A300?
That was in '08, previous to the change in CPSCIA standards. So at the time, it was a true exemption. But products after late 2010 have the proper markings. We do less airline stuff now, in fact we're doing more trucks and custom products. But all of those have been properly marked and tested.
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It is completely crazy that the USA wont accept the more stringent EU test results!
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For those interested this is just the test for the stuffing inside of a plush toy. Noticed the "burn rate" - that is for flammability testing; yep that is considered too for certain materials. Plush toys also have to conform to the State of PA and you need to have a license on file. Look at any tag for plush toys, not the PA Reg # on there.. thats what that is.

Questions? ask away!

Each color fabric has to have this done to it; as would be the fact for each type of plastic, metal, paint, etc for a model, stand and packaging.


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Here is a test from one of our executive models...

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My goodness...it looks like a science experiment! Fascinating stuff...I think almost nobody who collects models really considers the amount of 'red tape' that goes into the manufacturing process! And of course, all of this costs money!
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My goodness...it looks like a science experiment! Fascinating stuff...I think almost nobody who collects models really considers the amount of 'red tape' that goes into the manufacturing process! And of course, all of this costs money!
Well its clearly not going into the manufacturing by other manufacturers.

What you are seeing is on only 1 test for 1 substance. Most test reports are 15-35 pages long.
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To put it bluntly, they are.. JEALOUS of younger ones.. oops!
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Apparently I should have been dead years ago, considering that I have personally handled over a quarter million diecast models.
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While I'm watching the slow and agonising torture and destruction of what was a great Forum!
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Lets let this thread die. No one post anymore.
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Hear hear! Because the solution to everything is 'delete it'....
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lol thames, have you recovered yet?

anyway, about the age restriction, i believe it's more of economical value
i believe, most of under 14s don't have their own salaries, and still depend from their parents pocket money..

and yes quite sad, in my local community, some youngsters do not value this hobby yet
yes, they're making their diecasts as glider, customs them, or even worse, decapitated them.. and i said to myself, no wonder some diecasts become rare in market...
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I was joking about breaking my models.
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Haha thanks hilman...yes I've recovered! I think that MUST be the reason so many models become so rare! until the manufacturers make radio control for 1:400, throwing your models out the window (even with a 9m runway) just won't work!
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I meant the nine metre runway because you mentioned it in a intresting thread of yours.
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Callume190- you seem from the kinds of posts and threads you've put up on here to be a very mature, intelligent 13 year old and you are a pleasure to have on this forum.
Thumbs up to this post! I don't think age is the main problem here. Personally i think Callume has contributed much more to this forum than some people twice or thrice his age. I love reading his threads, they don't sound like a 13 year old's. Keep it up Callume!


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This is really not a joking matter.

Believe it or not, those warnings are put on the boxes so that the manufactures can get away with not subjecting the models to safety testing.. In essence they are putting the consumer in danger in order to save money.

Questions anyone?

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best post in this thread, thanks for taking your time to share all these with us AeroPro! Much appreciated
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I've asked for this threads deletion.
Stop asking for a threads deletion, you manage to escalate a situation, and then once you dislike how it goes, decide to run to the moderators for deletion...? Instead of asking your "big brother" to fight the bullies, censor yourself a bit because at this point, you have cultivated a reputation and your posts are highly scrutinized given said reputation. Many things you say are valid and to the point, but you must at this point (big assumption on my part) have some idea as to what pisses people off versus what does not.

When I came on the forums, I was your age, yet no one ever was made aware of that due to the fact that my age was irrelevant to the hobby. My intention was to build my knowledge of the hobby through being an active participant, as well as knowing what was appropriate. The fact that you are 12 does not exempt you of your actions because lets face it, this is a forum with a diverse age group.

I agree that it is very easy to press ignore for you, but I do not find that to be a suitable solution give the fact that you really do not bother me. When you stay on point, you are a pleasure, but I do not understand given the amount of information you have received through the many, many posts, how you have not managed to take that with a grain of salt, and learn from it. I get it, you're young, but when you enter a social media site, age is irrelevant. I was never treated in the manner you have become accustomed to..

I do not intend to sound like a cyber bully, but time has passed. There shouldn't be this much issue still, PERIOD.
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G'day,

I've been asked by 'several' members to Delete this thread, however I consider that the thread has raised some very interesting and legitimate discussion. Several Members have again stood on their 'soap-box' to preach to others, where this preaching has brought naught to the discussion it has been deleted (off-topic). Also where members have sledged another member, that post has also been deleted (cyber-bullying).

The age of registered members on this site keeps coming up in discussions. The youngest age on this site is a 7yo from Canada. There are several more in the 8-10yo bracket climbing to a dozen or so between 11-12.

The under 18's make up about 20% of members on this site. Compared to many other collection sites (Model Railways, toy collectors, stamps etc) This is a HUGE number of youth to be associated with Diecast aeroplane collecting. The next age group 18-25yo currently has around 22% membership, while 26-34yo is around 27% All up the under 35's make up the majority of collectors using this site.

Us in the 45+ are in the minority!
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Mwhahahahaha! Us twelve year olds will take over the world!
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:31 AM   #43
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You're capitalising on this aren't you.
You're not a troll at all but rather a schemer and subversive.
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He just loves to rack up the posts on his profile doesn't he...
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yep and he's about 63 skin cells off my index finger away from the ignore list.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:37 AM   #46
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You're capitalising on this aren't you.
You're not a troll at all but rather a schemer and subversive.
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He just loves to rack up the posts on his profile doesn't he...
Why would I care how many posts I have?
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:39 AM   #47
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Because of your tendency to comment on over 90% of every new post on this forum...

Been here since july of this year = 584 posts
Me, here since 2009 = 505

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Old 10-31-2013, 06:40 AM   #48
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yep and he's about 63 skin cells off my index finger away from the ignore list.
That was the best 63 skin cells I've wasted in a loooong time!
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:42 AM   #49
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Am I on your ignore list now?
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:43 AM   #50
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yep it works! I've got no idea what you just wrote and this time, it's going to remain that way.
Sorry to say it but I'm sayin' it.
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