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Old 01-23-2013, 12:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I remember sime of the crashes lol

#10 SkyWest Airlines: 3 hull losses; 22 dead-metroliner hit on runway
#9 South African Airways: 1 hull loss; 159 dead
#8 Thai Airways International: 5 hull losses; 309 dead
#7 Turkish Airlines: 6 hull losses, 188 dead- dc-10 wirst crash
#6 Saudia: 4 hull losses; 310 dead - nose came off, another one hit a il-76
#5 Korean Air: 9 hull losses; 687 dead- 007?shot down by russian fighter
#4 GOL Transportes Aéreos: 1 hull loss; 154 dead- collided with a private jet
#3 Air India: 3 hull losses; 329 dead - terrorist bomb
#2 TAM Airlines: 6 hull losses; 336 dead.-went off runway into gas station
#1 China Airlines: 8 hull losses; 755 dead- the one that caught fire, one went upside diwn and the 747-200 tail loss decompression.

Ehat i do find surprising is the fact JAL isnt there, worst single plane crashe
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Lists like these are pointless, what about the four United hull losses since 1988? Or the six planes American Airlines lost? Now, if this was a list of crashes caused by maintenance or pilot errors, that would be different.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:05 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Lists like these are pointless, what about the four United hull losses since 1988? Or the six planes American Airlines lost? Now, if this was a list of crashes caused by maintenance or pilot errors, that would be different.

Yea, I agree. Maintenance issues and pilot errors should be the main reason a list like this is compiled. Every aircraft suffers from metal fatigue.
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Lists like these are pointless, what about the four United hull losses since 1988? Or the six planes American Airlines lost? Now, if this was a list of crashes caused by maintenance or pilot errors, that would be different.
Or the 4 planes that LOT lost in the 1980s, 2 IL-62s (LOT 007 and 5055, collectively with 270 fatalities) 2 An-24s, killing one in each crash landing instance.

It is like they had a 13 year old compile this list almost!
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The results do not take into account the cause of the hull losses, or whether the airline is at fault, so they are not a perfect measure of how safely an airline behaves.
i think the above sentence renders the list useless
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i think the above sentence renders the list useless
Yes, you were more succinct in making that point than I was.
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i think the above sentence renders the list useless
It was indeed useful. It was useful for getting a bunch of people to click on their article, thus delivering some advertising revenue.
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How the hell is GOL less safe than #5-#10? Makes no sense because the accident wasn't even their fault; They were at the correct altitude while the private jet drifted off its flight level. Must be a slow news day at yahoo.
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It was indeed useful. It was useful for getting a bunch of people to click on their article, thus delivering some advertising revenue.
I have to agree with you on that, thats what the media needs isnt it -Readership. Doesn't matter what kind of news, real, fake, twisted, pointless, as long as someone clicks on the link
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How the hell is GOL less safe than #5-#10? Makes no sense because the accident wasn't even their fault; They were at the correct altitude while the private jet drifted off its flight level. Must be a slow news day at yahoo.
This report isn't serious! GOL suffered just a single fatal accident and it wasn't caused by its pilots (the aircraft lost its left wing felt down after a crash against a north american Embraer Legacy which had its TCAS turned off). TAM increased its safety highly after A320 crash at CGH.

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Worst airline accident ever was the collision of a KLM 747 and a PANAM 747 on the runway of the Island of Tenerife in the seventies! More than 500 souls perished!
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In terms of hull loss rate, I believe the now defunct MK Airlines also had a poor safety record.

I've always heard Qantas was one of the world's safest airlines. I could be wrong, but I think LAN has never had a hull loss either.

Boeing published some data on airplane (not airline) safety and you can find that online.. It shows accident rates per one million flights, for all major fleet types still in service. It's very interesting.
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Old 02-04-2013, 03:32 PM   #14 (permalink)
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In deed! The incident that occured on the Canary Islands in 1977 has to be the most horrific case of human error in aviation history.

For those who don't know, 2 fully loaded 747 Jumbo Jets collided head-on during the take-off rollout of the KLM on a foggy runway with zero visibility. Neither pilot or the tower crew knew they were placed head to head on opposite ends of the same runway, only one was cleared for take-off but the PA 747 captain was still taxing down the single runway.

There are always the culmination of circumstances and human errors whether it be mental or physical or a lack of communication that ultimately leads to a crash w/ fatalities.

Only true facts and data, findings from regulatory agencies, incident reports and the like will prove which carriers truly operate in a negligent or dangerous manner placing the flying public at risk.

"Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect." - Captain A. G. Lamplugh, circa 1930.
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I am sure LAN lost a BAe 146.


But yes, the list is bunkum. Ignore it.
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:27 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Because of the fog, the Pan Am pilot/s missed the runway exit and the Controller assumed they had vacated the runway when KLM was given clearance.


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In deed! The incident that occured on the Canary Islands in 1977 has to be the most horrific case of human error in aviation history.

For those who don't know, 2 fully loaded 747 Jumbo Jets collided head-on during the take-off rollout of the KLM on a foggy runway with zero visibility. Neither pilot or the tower crew knew they were placed head to head on opposite ends of the same runway, only one was cleared for take-off but the PA 747 captain was still taxing down the single runway.

There are always the culmination of circumstances and human errors whether it be mental or physical or a lack of communication that ultimately leads to a crash w/ fatalities.

Only true facts and data, findings from regulatory agencies, incident reports and the like will prove which carriers truly operate in a negligent or dangerous manner placing the flying public at risk.

"Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect." - Captain A. G. Lamplugh, circa 1930.
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In fact the KLM never received a take off clearance but only the routing instruction for after take off. But the KLM captain was so concern with the flight time limitations that he made what is known in the human factor, a "wishearing". Both the KLM first officer and flight engineer were not sure the Pan Am has vacated the runway but because of high authority from the captain (which moreover was KLM chief pilot) none were able to say something. As we say in the flight deck: nobody with any kind of doubt!!!
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Nobody will ever know the reason the KLM captain made such a noob mistake. There will be speculation about that forever.
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This is the only objective reason why the captain was so hurry leaving Teneriffe. If you want it is a kind of speculation. But when there is a airliner crash with such a human error you have to find a answer why the crew with such a high degre of qualification make a so big mistake: in this case the only question is: how the captain could open the throttles for take off without being sure the runway was clear? If not airborne within the minute the guy must go back to the gate and take several hours of rest... High pressure, hurry up syndrome!
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I stand corrected.
I'd forgotten about the impatience of the KLM Captain!

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In fact the KLM never received a take off clearance but only the routing instruction for after take off. But the KLM captain was so concern with the flight time limitations that he made what is known in the human factor, a "wishearing". Both the KLM first officer and flight engineer were not sure the Pan Am has vacated the runway but because of high authority from the captain (which moreover was KLM chief pilot) none were able to say something. As we say in the flight deck: nobody with any kind of doubt!!!
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From the Teneriffe documentary, the KLM captain appeared to be a real hothead. On a professional level, his decision was human error in the worst degree.
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Now I know why the China Airlilnes B747-400 I flew on back in 1999 from LA to Taiwan was practically empty! I had a whole row to myself = was able to sleep across the seats; which was nice and comfortable. My travel agent told me this particular airline had the best fares to asia from LAX. If I had known about their safety record at that time = would've reconsidered my airline options. Cheers! T7
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Now I know why the China Airlilnes B747-400 I flew on back in 1999 from LA to Taiwan was practically empty! I had a whole row to myself = was able to sleep across the seats; which was nice and comfortable. My travel agent told me this particular airline had the best fares to asia from LAX. If I had known about their safety record at that time = would've reconsidered my airline options. Cheers! T7
Hoped you changed your travel agent.
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Hoped you changed your travel agent.
That I did . However, I do remember the flight crew being very attentive/helpful/always smiling on that flight; reasons could have been = not many passengers to deal with and maybe probably thought I was a passenger that had no clue whatsoever about their safety record at that time . Oh well, I was lucky that China Airlines was able to come through for me during my first trip back to Asia/South Asia.

On 23 January 2013, the Jet Airliner Crash Data Evaluation Centre (JACDEC) announced that China Airlines had the worst safety record among 60 international airlines that were reviewed.[47]
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Always found it interesting that Dragon made a model of "Clipper Victor" when the prevailing attitude of the manufacturers is not to release regs of aircraft destroyed with loss of life.
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That I did . However, I do remember the flight crew being very attentive/helpful/always smiling on that flight; reasons could have been = not many passengers to deal with and maybe probably thought I was a passenger that had no clue whatsoever about their safety record at that time . Oh well, I was lucky that China Airlines was able to come through for me during my first trip back to Asia/South Asia.

On 23 January 2013, the Jet Airliner Crash Data Evaluation Centre (JACDEC) announced that China Airlines had the worst safety record among 60 international airlines that were reviewed.[47]
Wonder what kinda reaction you'd get if you walked in the JACDEC with a "I Flew China Airlines In the '90s" t-shirt. But really, their long history of accidents has me thinking about their government/corporate culture.

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Aside from a hijacking to Cuba and Tenerife tragedy and conspiracy theories after the tragedy, N736PA had to be released because of its first commercial flight.
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