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Old 08-19-2012, 12:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm going to get bashed for this, but I want to speak my mind.

I have noticed that on a lot of topics people post, including myself, there is a lot of really negative comments. It never used to be that way, and these are coming from people that have been here for a long time. Take my post for example of the RJs taking off, someone (not naming names) said it looked like a camera phone shot, when it was taken with a $500 camera from a distance. I mean, you don't have to comment negatively on everything you don't like, when someone posts a photo with slight blur, or is just throwing a thought out, or asking a question that you think because you know the answer, everyone else should. A lot of forums are like this, a lot of "know-it-alls" and negative people that don't even post pictures themselves. I'm getting tired of seeing it, I'm not even on here a lot anymore and every time I get on, I see it. Again, just speaking my mind, you have the chance to say why it is like this now.
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Grow up! If you are going to post pictures online for thousands of people to see, only post quality stuff. If you post crap, you're going to get sarcastic comments.

If you only post quality stuff, you will get compliments.
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Maybe you guys need to grow up, look at both of your posts, you CANNOT tell me that people on here have changed in what they post. What do you have against it? This is a public forum for God's sake, don't just jump straight to negative comments when you can offer advice.

If you were aiming for sarcasm, I apologize for what I said, I just can't tell on these forums if anyone is being sarcastic, and Dylan....take A Tuoplev's advice, grow up. I heard that crap in junior high. And honestly..I didn't find those two photos crap, I've taken crap shots, and never would post them, but those were more clear than normal, and my first try with moving jetliners.

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Maybe you guys need to grow up, look at both of your posts, you CANNOT tell me that people on here have changed in what they post. What do you have against it? This is a public forum for God's sake, don't just jump straight to negative comments when you can offer advice.

If you were aiming for sarcasm, I apologize for what I said, I just can't tell on these forums if anyone is being sarcastic, and Dylan....take A Tuoplev's advice, grow up. I heard that crap in junior high. And honestly..I didn't find those two photos crap, I've taken crap shots, and never would post them, but those were more clear than normal, and my first try with moving jetliners.
Beech Bum,

There's no need to apologize to anyone who goats you. Of course, if you know how to put them in the hot seat, then by all means, fire at will. Otherwise, it's better to ignore those of us who are inclined to dump crap on yours or someone's else's thread. And by the way, your two regional shots look good.

Speaking of which, I just started reading R.E.G. Davies and I.E. Quastler's book, "Commuter Airlines of the United States" (1995). It goes indepth about the definition of "commuter" and how the term was mangled by commuter airline marketing departments over the years. In the strick sense of the term "commuter," the book refers to those airlines who provide round trip service by issuing ticket books at a commuted or mitigated price for passengers traveling on an almost daily basis. The so called early commuters used Beech, Piper, Cessna and Otter aircraft from the outset and over the years, progressed to the aircraft found in your two pictures. It's great reading!
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:20 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Haters gunna hate. I here, joined this forum thinking it was relatively positive. Turns out most of the time I see other users bashing and arguing about which manufacturers are better and blah blah blah... Just keep an open mind. It is the internet and it is what it is. Sorry you feel this way though.
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Why apologise?
The easiest way to treat people is to adopt the view - these wankkers don't pay rent to be in your head so don't let them get to you.

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Grow up! If you are going to post pictures online for thousands of people to see, only post quality stuff. If you post crap, you're going to get sarcastic comments.

If you only post quality stuff, you will get compliments.
Cummon Tuppi, you're out of order! I don't recall you posting any quality stuff and getting accolades! Don't forget what is 'quality' for one person may be 'crap' to another and vice-versa. There are different age groups and different standards here and if you see something that's not good enough in your opinion, give that person some positive advice and encouragement, so he may improve next time. Putting people down when they are trying to please and contribute something positive to the forum is the worst thing you can do! If you don't want to say something positive, say nothing at all
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What is wrong with postin snapshots anyway?
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That is pretty much why I went to Wings900 and there is still lots of negativity there. People on these forums think they are more superior to other members because they have been here longer and they also think they can make others look stupid and get away with it. Its rediculous to be honest!
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I'm going to get bashed for this, but I want to speak my mind.

I have noticed that on a lot of topics people post, including myself, there is a lot of really negative comments. It never used to be that way, and these are coming from people that have been here for a long time. Take my post for example of the RJs taking off, someone (not naming names) said it looked like a camera phone shot, when it was taken with a $500 camera from a distance. I mean, you don't have to comment negatively on everything you don't like, when someone posts a photo with slight blur, or is just throwing a thought out, or asking a question that you think because you know the answer, everyone else should. A lot of forums are like this, a lot of "know-it-alls" and negative people that don't even post pictures themselves. I'm getting tired of seeing it, I'm not even on here a lot anymore and every time I get on, I see it. Again, just speaking my mind, you have the chance to say why it is like this now.
You're not the only one to have noticed, and you're spot on about the criticism that people get for posting photographs. I don't have a decent camera, nor do I have decent photography skills. But this isn't a photography site, this is a site for diecast model aircraft. I find that the only way to deal with it is to ignore them.

Thank you for posting. Thank you for saying what needs to be said.
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:29 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The fact of the matter is, you're posting on a public forum. Just because we all have a common interest here, doesn't mean ALL of us are only gonna respond positively to everything that gets posted. That only happens over at W900. Ted posts one negative comment out of all the other encouraging ones and this is the result? A whole new thread of what a bunch of meanies are here?

I myself enjoy snapshots over the highly edited ANet types. But think about exactly what you're doing: posting something that hundreds of strangers from all over the world are going to see.

I remember the first shots that Jan Jasinski posted. They had more fence in them than airplane and were so damn blurry that you couldn't tell if it was an airplane or a building. Now look at him. Magazine worthy.
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I myself enjoy snapshots over the highly edited ANet types.
Couldn't agree more. Someone there is going for so much technical perfection he is losing the soul of airline photography. If I post a pic here, its gona be crap quality and I dont care what folk think, it will be what it will be, and for fun. I don't subscribe to Tupi's only quality rule.
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Personally, I'm glad Dylan and others post the way they do. That's why I'm over here more than Wings900 now, and totally over 400CommunistHangar. Over at Wings900, it's like being around a ton of zombies. There will be a POS airport, and the same comments like "oh, nice detail" or "looks great" will be posted. I've gotten in trouble way too much over there with an asinine moderator for "insulting new memebers" (See the whole wannabe Emirates pilot fiasco).

If you're mad about the negativity you receive, than change the way you post or GTFO.

And again, what happened to pride in what people post? It appals me some of the low quality work people have the guts to post sometimes. I agree with Tupi, only high quality work should be posted, not just junk to up your post-count!
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Couldn't agree more. Someone there is going for so much technical perfection he is losing the soul of airline photography. If I post a pic here, its gona be crap quality and I dont care what folk think, it will be what it will be, and for fun. I don't subscribe to Tupi's only quality rule.
Listen, this is not a question of A-Net quality. I prefer "good" photography, not perfect. It does not require much skill to turn a less than average photo into a good photo with some simple editing and cropping, which can be done with most free editing programs.

I'm just say, take some pride in what you do, spend some time preparing the work before posting it online. This dose not require a lot of skill or time, just pride in what you do, and respect for those looking at it.
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Couldn't agree more. Someone there is going for so much technical perfection he is losing the soul of airline photography. If I post a pic here, its gona be crap quality and I dont care what folk think, it will be what it will be, and for fun. I don't subscribe to Tupi's only quality rule.
I too perfer shots like this opposed too the same ANet stuff. Nice pic.
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Personally, I'm glad Dylan and others post the way they do. That's why I'm over here more than Wings900 now, and totally over 400CommunistHangar. Over at Wings900, it's like being around a ton of zombies. There will be a POS airport, and the same comments like "oh, nice detail" or "looks great" will be posted. I've gotten in trouble way too much over there with an asinine moderator for "insulting new memebers" (See the whole wannabe Emirates pilot fiasco).

If you're mad about the negativity you receive, than change the way you post or GTFO.

And again, what happened to pride in what people post? It appals me some of the low quality work people have the guts to post sometimes. I agree with Tupi, only high quality work should be posted, not just junk to up your post-count!
Good points! The business I'm in I encourage people to speak openly and honestly about there opinions. If they don't agree with something, I want to know so I can consider another POV or how can I improve.

Our society has become to "politically correct" about criticism and other opinions. Kids are being taught they are all winners and no one fails. Competition is being taken out of schools and sports. As a result no one is motivated to improve or do better. We are becoming zombies.

So the kid posts some pictures that need some work. So to be PC, everyone should say they look fantastic and as a result, this kids skills will never improve. Actually all of you that just post how great the photos look are liars and are not helping this kid at all.
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My problem is with all the whiners who believe that anything they post is gold. Ok, sometimes you get somebody who just bashes to start something, but most of the time there's going to be some criticism of boring, blurry or just plain bad pictures...deal with it, and improve your skills or stop posting. Grow some hair and stop crying about bullies. Personally, if I don't like something, I go to the next thread.
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Cummon Tuppi, you're out of order! I don't recall you posting any quality stuff and getting accolades! Don't forget what is 'quality' for one person may be 'crap' to another and vice-versa. There are different age groups and different standards here and if you see something that's not good enough in your opinion, give that person some positive advice and encouragement, so he may improve next time. Putting people down when they are trying to please and contribute something positive to the forum is the worst thing you can do! If you don't want to say something positive, say nothing at all
Why stop with Tuppi? Just click on Dylan's posts and you'll find nothing but disparaging comments toward young collectors. In fact, both have long waged campaigns against these members since I volunteered as a moderator for one year in '06 or '07. I tried my best to offer advice or mediate complaints regarding this matter with some positive results. As for the current moderator(s), it appears they are taking no active roll in addressing this issue. So where does this go next; posting quality stuff and contributions?

Just because members contribute quality stuff doesn't give them carte blanche to roll over anyone. Having said that, I understand the frustration that custom builders have with the lack of members participating in the custom-made realm. Yet, it must be understood that as long as they have been members on this forum, at some point, it ought to dawn on them that DAC caters overwhelming to the ready-made realm.
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How about give constructive criticism if the pic is bad, and learn how to take it and change?
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Why stop with Tuppi? Just click on Dylan's posts and you'll find nothing but disparaging comments toward young collectors. In fact, both have long waged campaigns against these members since I volunteered as a moderator for one year in '06 or '07. I tried my best to offer advice or mediate complaints regarding this matter with some positive results. As for the current moderator(s), it appears they are taking no active roll in addressing this issue. So where does this go next; posting quality stuff and contributions?

Just because members contribute quality stuff doesn't give them carte blanche to roll over anyone. Having said that, I understand the frustration that custom builders have with the lack of members participating in the custom-made realm. Yet, it must be understood that as long as they have been members on this forum, at some point, it ought to dawn on them that DAC caters overwhelming to the ready-made realm.
Every forum I'm on, and it must be a dozen, members always give other members a hard time when they post something stupid (believe me I've been called on a stupid post many times). Why should we sanitize our comments so everything is positive.

I only made a very minor comment about the quality of the photo and now look at all the crap.

In regards to Dylan, I only made a comment about the photo, I did not make a personal comment and call the kid a Pu**y. Big difference in a personal insult and a critical comment.
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How about give constructive criticism if the pic is bad, and learn how to take it and change?
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It's four lines, I've seen larger WITH photos on here.
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Every forum I'm on, and it must be a dozen, members always give other members a hard time when they post something stupid (believe me I've been called on a stupid post many times). Why should we sanitize our comments so everything is positive.

I only made a very minor comment about the quality of the photo and now look at all the crap.

In regards to Dylan, I only made a comment about the photo, I did not make a personal comment and call the kid a Pu**y. Big difference in a personal insult and a critical comment.
I figure you know a lot of my comments aren't sanitized. Anyway, Beach Bum was too sensitive to your very mild comment on those two pics. My reply to Adrain was in defense of you because he was being selective with his criticism. I don't like that kinda crap.
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Just wanted to say I am never negative on my posts. I try to be a nice guy. Second it's up to the mods on the sigs. I had a two line sig quoting someone and was told it was to long. When I stated the rules in the FAQ's they said they can do what they want and ban me. So I changed it because I didn't wanted to be banned. There's just way to much airline knowledge on this site to not want to be a part of.
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Just click on Dylan's posts and you'll find nothing but disparaging comments toward young collectors. In fact, both have long waged campaigns against these members since I volunteered as a moderator for one year in '06 or '07. I tried my best to offer advice or mediate complaints regarding this matter with some positive results.
Well said Steve, glad somebody noticed. But saying "nothing but disparaging comments" is a bit of a fib and you know it. I'm sure if you go far enough back in my 3,500 posts there is a gem or two.
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Well I "compressed" my signature. Again, I've seen larger.
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There's no need to apologize to anyone who goats you. Of course, if you know how to put them in the hot seat, then by all means, fire at will. Otherwise, it's better to ignore those of us who are inclined to dump crap on yours or someone's else's thread. And by the way, your two regional shots look good.

Speaking of which, I just started reading R.E.G. Davies and I.E. Quastler's book, "Commuter Airlines of the United States" (1995). It goes indepth about the definition of "commuter" and how the term was mangled by commuter airline marketing departments over the years. In the strick sense of the term "commuter," the book refers to those airlines who provide round trip service by issuing ticket books at a commuted or mitigated price for passengers traveling on an almost daily basis. The so called early commuters used Beech, Piper, Cessna and Otter aircraft from the outset and over the years, progressed to the aircraft found in your two pictures. It's great reading!
Thanks a lot man.

You know guys, there are a lot of good posts here, sometimes I just get fed up with crap and end up blowing over it....it happens to the best of us.

Dylan, I've not read your post history, but as far as seeing your posts in my threads, yes, I would think that those a crap, but then your post in one thread was good, you might be just giving me a hard time, so whatever.
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Dylan, I've not read your post history, but as far as seeing your posts in my threads, yes, I would think that those a crap, but then your post in one thread was good, you might be just giving me a hard time, so whatever.
They ARE crap posts. And I AM giving you a hard time. This is the internet. Like I said in the other thread, if somebody knocks you, knock 'em back or ignore them. But no need for dramatics.
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:42 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Dylan, you are right man. I don't know what the hell happened to me, that's the way I think. haha
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There will always be negative and positive comments in a forum. Well its a forum so everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Negative comments arent always bad, some of them can actually help you improve yourself. On the other hand you could always ignore them
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I think his signature lines is a reasonable size.
No way Tupi, it is at least 100 characters too big.
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No way Tupi, it is at least 100 characters too big.
Who the F are you to talk, you have no signature line.
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Well said Steve, glad somebody noticed. But saying "nothing but disparaging comments" is a bit of a fib and you know it. I'm sure if you go far enough back in my 3,500 posts there is a gem or two.
It's not necessary for me to bring up your long history of threads/posts because you know as well as me that your contributions are legend on DAC. And I know your frustration about the Custom Airport forum. Unlike other hobbies, that forum has always fallen well short in the number of do-it-yourself members that would otherwise push each other to generate par excellence creations. So it is what it is.

But hey, you can fill in for us middle-aged men in dispensing life and career advice to all the young bloods. You did such a good job on the other thread.
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My reply to Adrain was in defense of you because he was being selective with his criticism. I don't like that kinda crap.
Hang on, firstly I am Adrian - A drain is how I laugh! Secondly, I only replied to Tupi as he was the only one raising issues I didn't agree with. Dylan hadn't posted at the time. Am I supposed to list all the negative posters that might come on here? Dylan has posted some great stuff in the past and has great model airport dioramas so I have no issues with him.
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Hang on, firstly I am Adrian - A drain is how I laugh! Secondly, I only replied to Tupi as he was the only one raising issues I didn't agree with. Dylan hadn't posted at the time. Am I supposed to list all the negative posters that might come on here? Dylan has posted some great stuff in the past and has great model airport dioramas so I have no issues with him.

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I'd appreciate your laugh as I'm sure you'd appreciate my burps. Still, you were being very selective because Dylan made his post hours before yours. To overlook one member's behavior because you appreciate their contributions smacks of favoritism.
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Well said Steve, glad somebody noticed. But saying "nothing but disparaging comments" is a bit of a fib and you know it. I'm sure if you go far enough back in my 3,500 posts there is a gem or two.
Dylan is right here, I remember when I made my "Simple Model Airport" thread a few years back of my airport made completely of index cards and dylan posted some very positive comments about it! I have seen dylan post MANY MANY positive and very good well thought out helpful posts, but we all have our fair share of sarcastic ones too!
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This thread is the most active I've seen DAC in a long time !
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This thread is the most active I've seen DAC in a long time !
Yes, just start some s**t throwing to peak interest.
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I'd appreciate your laugh as I'm sure you'd appreciate my burps. Still, you were being very selective because Dylan made his post hours before yours. To overlook one member's behavior because you appreciate their contributions smacks of favoritism.
That's just ridiculous! I replied to just one post! I'm not going to do a 'blanket reply'.

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The fact of the matter is, you're posting on a public forum. Just because we all have a common interest here, doesn't mean ALL of us are only gonna respond positively to everything that gets posted. That only happens over at W900. Ted posts one negative comment out of all the other encouraging ones and this is the result? A whole new thread of what a bunch of meanies are here?

I myself enjoy snapshots over the highly edited ANet types. But think about exactly what you're doing: posting something that hundreds of strangers from all over the world are going to see.

I remember the first shots that Jan Jasinski posted. They had more fence in them than airplane and were so damn blurry that you couldn't tell if it was an airplane or a building. Now look at him. Magazine worthy.
N787BA is right. Remember that time you pranked me? Even though I've got to admit it was funny, none of that crap would go down in the W900 forum.
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This should be good. *Grabs popcorn*
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You've missed the action!
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Just want to remind people that when you're surfing on DAC, you post something that you think looks great, but in other's eyes, they would say it's crap. I find it funny that a single comment like What phone-cam did you take this with, triggered a thread like this. Like what's been said already, we all have common interest in aviation, more or less. Some of us do go on spotting, some don't. Anyway members should always be ready to receive flak, hard or mild and accept it as a criticism to the quality of the image. Use it to improve your skills. Don't get haywire about it. It could as well had been me "bashing" it. It's never personal.

Now grow some skin and move on. You can always look at the other spotting threads And use those as your inspiration. You may not have fancy heavy metals to take shots of, but it works the same. Go big by practice some more! :-)
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Just want to remind people that when you're surfing on DAC, you post something that you think looks great, but in other's eyes, they would say it's crap. I find it funny that a single comment like What phone-cam did you take this with, triggered a thread like this. Like what's been said already, we all have common interest in aviation, more or less. Some of us do go on spotting, some don't. Anyway members should always be ready to receive flak, hard or mild and accept it as a criticism to the quality of the image. Use it to improve your skills. Don't get haywire about it. It could as well had been me "bashing" it. It's never personal.

Now grow some skin and move on. You can always look at the other spotting threads And use those as your inspiration. You may not have fancy heavy metals to take shots of, but it works the same. Go big by practice some more! :-)
Some sage advice.
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I give snaps to whomever takes the time share something of interest here. If someone has made the effort to bring something to the table, I'm eager to check it out and reply.
There also a few members here that have raised some very valid points both pro and con, and know how to diplomatically communicate them. Backing up an opinion with a photo or link just makes for more interesting reading than a four word canned response we've all read a thousand times. "A must have", "I've got it pre-ordered", etc, etc. Nobody gives a .......

As for the Looky-Loo's that have nothing of interest to say or share, I just keep scrolling down.
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There are a lot more neg. Comments on W900 than here.
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There are a lot more neg. Comments on W900 than here.
You haven't been here for the worst threads. GJ kid, 1900D, Klein, etc.
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