Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjabbasi
Its possible he's referring to this. F-GITA was repaired and continues to fly.
Err, no, the Argentine haunted '747, apparently abandonned somewhere, which was the subject of a thread here quite a while ago now, with me asking what would happen if you didn't run away from a ghost and so on.
__________________ Helping restore the last complete Trident 1C:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Please donate generously!
Also
'Needs must when the devil vomits in your kettle!'
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by thamesradar
I haven't heard about that...please share the story? Is it similar to the Eastern L1011 that crashed in the Everglades? Salvaged parts and after they had put them on other Tristars, crews said they started seeing odd things?
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by thamesradar
I haven't heard about that...please share the story? Is it similar to the Eastern L1011 that crashed in the Everglades? Salvaged parts and after they had put them on other Tristars, crews said they started seeing odd things?
Apparently, some Eastern Tristar crews reported seeing a certain Captain (a bloke) wearing high heel shoes on different occasion.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Honestly, I think this is the stupidest incident that has happened. Who in the right mind would sail a ship that large that close to the shore? On another note, I can just imagine what the people in those homes were thinking when they woke up and saw a gigantic cruise ship out of their bedroom window.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
The open and willing actions repeated by the captain should have been reported to Carnival Cruise Lines management at the very least. If management had known, they will receive a well deserving black eye. Additionally, the Italian maritime authorities ought to have been aware of these activities. Hell, it had been repeated in plain sight.
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roarer
I haven't heard anything more about this, but it was suggested that since the area has some sceimic events every so often, someone had suggested that perhaps the rocks under the water had moved since the last time a ship came through the channel, hence why it hit rock.
I have not heard any jokes (although there must be some about) about the captain abandonning the ship early yet - he's Italian, and we all know how easily they surrender.... eh? eh??
There's no seismic activity in the area of Giglio Island and the immediate mainland. Volcanic and earthquake activity are concentrated to the south of Rome. Having said that, there are two options in raising the M/V Costa Concordia.
One: A parbuckle operation that will be costly and hazardous.
Two: A Marsili volcano irruption causing a tsunami that will push the vessel ashore.
Joke: How many captains does it take to pilot the M/V Costa Concordia? One and a fifth.
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
The late great Leslie Nielsen appeared as the ship's captain in the all-star disaster epic The Poseidon Adventure (1972). At 46 years old, this was one of Nielsen's last rolls as a serious actor before portraying mainly comedy roles. The clip below doesn't show the heated arguement between Nielsen and the S.S. Poseidon owner in Nielsen's plea to steer the ship clear of danger.
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by fazeman
There's no seismic activity in the area of Giglio Island and the immediate mainland. Volcanic and earthquake activity are concentrated to the south of Rome. Having said that, there are two options in raising the M/V Costa Concordia.
One: A parbuckle operation that will be costly and hazardous.
Two: A Marsili volcano irruption causing a tsunami that will push the vessel ashore.
Joke: How many captains does it take to pilot the M/V Costa Concordia? One and a fifth.
... do Italians drink Vodka? I thought they were more into 'vino' ...
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
They have a ship standing by to remove the fuel as soon as divers have finished their search and recovery. I imagine that some of the unaccounted for don't realize they were missed when they went home (like the German woman), and there may turn out to be a miscount, but they will keep searching that ship until every inch has been examined. They've also put out oil booms around the shoreline. I can't imagine they'll let the ship just slide down the undersea shelf it's on and become a reef, but I also have a feeling that whatever they do, it won't be to put the ship back into commission.
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Steve
Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or imbeciles who really mean it. Mark Twain
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by fazeman
That was a generic joke. Kinda like Euro-white planes.
No worries fazeman ... I'm just kidding too ... but as far as righting the ship, that'll be an incredible task if they can somehow pull (no pun intended) it off.
The ship is nearly 1000 feet in length, or essentially three football fields in length! The amount of weight that is resting on it's side it beyond comprehension, so even though it appears feasible on paper (or screen) it seems almost incomprehensible in real life! But these salvage crews are experts in their field, and if they say they can do it, who am I to judge?
Last edited by MarinerOne; 01-23-2012 at 12:12 PM.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
All I can say about it all now is, I've made some mistakes in my life, but I've never killed anyone or sunk a half-billion dollar ship. This is right up there with all the worst screw-ups ever.
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Steve
Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or imbeciles who really mean it. Mark Twain
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by fazeman
The open and willing actions repeated by the captain should have been reported to Carnival Cruise Lines management at the very least.
He he, I'm sure Carnival Cruises would have loved to know what Costa Cruises'crew are up to!
Just pulling yer leg Fazeman, but you make a good point, I'm sure the other crew who worked with him knew of his dubious safety practices. Its their duty, as I see it, to report him. Otherwise, if these sort of things are just ignored, those who ignore them are equally guilty.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by gospodin
They have a ship standing by to remove the fuel as soon as divers have finished their search and recovery. I imagine that some of the unaccounted for don't realize they were missed when they went home (like the German woman), and there may turn out to be a miscount, but they will keep searching that ship until every inch has been examined. They've also put out oil booms around the shoreline. I can't imagine they'll let the ship just slide down the undersea shelf it's on and become a reef, but I also have a feeling that whatever they do, it won't be to put the ship back into commission.
My initial thoughts were if they can re-float this ship to tow, it would be scrapped. But as I learn more about how Costa/Carnival management does business (especially the way they have treated the passengers/victims of this incident), I know thing if they can they will refurbish the hulk and place it back in service. Managements #1 priority is making a buck.
If you look at the jobs salvage companies have done in the past, this one is big, but it is doable. The Russian nuclear submarine Kursk was a big and heavy submarine which sunk to 354ft. They pulled it up. The Concodia is much bigger, but it is also in a position where it is much easier to work on.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Tupé ... the part that will impress me is "righting" the ship. Once they get it vertical, the rest I can see as being "doable". But from an experienced cruiser, these ships are massive, and the amount of power needed to get it vertical will be mind-boggling!
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarinerOne
Tupé ... the part that will impress me is "righting" the ship. Once they get it vertical, the rest I can see as being "doable". But from an experienced cruiser, these ships are massive, and the amount of power needed to get it vertical will be mind-boggling!
Remember the SS Normandie (1030 ft, 71,000 tons). If they can patch the hole and pump the water out, and use floatation bags the Concordia could be re-floated like the Normandie was 67 years ago. The big question is if there is another hole in the other side of the Concordia.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
It's going to be pretty tricky getting the Concordia upright. It's sitting on a sloped shelf, and at 115,000 tons is considerably bigger than the Normandie. If they do repair this ship, I'd bet it's going to cost almost the same to build a new one after the cost of salvage.
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Steve
Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or imbeciles who really mean it. Mark Twain
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by A Tupolev
Remember the SS Normandie (1030 ft, 71,000 tons). If they can patch the hole and pump the water out, and use floatation bags the Concordia could be re-floated like the Normandie was 67 years ago.
Actually Tupé, I don't remember the Normandie ... by name but I had no idea it was re-floated ... but knowing what these salvagers are capable of, I guess anything is possible as long as enough money supports the effort.
It's most likely a budgetary thing, how much do they have to either FIX it, or SCRAP it.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarinerOne
Actually Tupé, I don't remember the Normandie ... by name but I had no idea it was re-floated ... but knowing what these salvagers are capable of, I guess anything is possible as long as enough money supports the effort.
It's most likely a budgetary thing, how much do they have to either FIX it, or SCRAP it.
Well, "they" are the insurance companies. Right now the insurance companies are on the hook for a half a billion dollars (value of ship)+ the other liability costs to clean up this mess (not including damages to the victims). So if there is any opportunity for the insurance companies to save 50-100-150 million dollars, repairing vs. replacing they will repair.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by A Tupolev
Well, "they" are the insurance companies. Right now the insurance companies are on the hook for a half a billion dollars (value of ship)+ the other liability costs to clean up this mess (not including damages to the victims). So if there is any opportunity for the insurance companies to save 50-100-150 million dollars, repairing vs. replacing they will repair.
Well, I guess you're right about that ... I guess they'll know once the salvage company gives them the estimate for the "job" ... I'll bet they will give them the highest possible bid to salvage and repair the ship without the insurance going the "scrap it" route ...
The thing is, there can't be that many salvage companies in the world that could raise and right a ship like the Concordia ... it's not like the auto repair business where it's dog-eat-dog ... we're talking the potential for serious price gouging here!
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarinerOne
Well, I guess you're right about that ... I guess they'll know once the salvage company gives them the estimate for the "job" ... I'll bet they will give them the highest possible bid to salvage and repair the ship without the insurance going the "scrap it" route ...
The thing is, there can't be that many salvage companies in the world that could raise and right a ship like the Concordia ... it's not like the auto repair business where it's dog-eat-dog ... we're talking the potential for serious price gouging here!
The one thing that has to happen is the salvage, the ship needs to be removed and accident scene cleaned up. The big questioned is will it be removed in one piece (re-floated, expensive) or taken apart in place (more expensive, up to two year process. For all involved floating it out is the best option.
The next question is if it floats out repair or replacement cost. If it is cheaper to repair, they will.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by A Tupolev
The one thing that has to happen is the salvage, the ship needs to be removed and accident scene cleaned up. The big questioned is will it be removed in one piece (re-floated, expensive) or taken apart in place (more expensive, up to two year process. For all involved floating it out is the best option.
The next question is if it floats out repair or replacement cost. If it is cheaper to repair, they will.
Yeah ... I read somewhere that dismantling it in place will take two years like you said ... what an eyesore that would be for such a time ... then re-floating it out would probably be the best alternative time-wise. Either way it's a lose-lose proposition, just that one is more expensive and time-consuming than the other.
Re: Concordia Cruise Ship Sinks :: How could this possibly happen?
Your Privacy Choices
