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Old 04-26-2020, 07:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey all.

I am supposed to be working on a replica of Dash 8 Colour Down the Side after modelmanGB was kind enough to provide a set of decals. However - there is a gap between the painting skill required and my abilities. For now, I have put it on one side and decided to take a breather with something much simpler.

Inspired by my recent DC-10 experiment I decided to do something with a duplicate BA Tristar that I found after moving.

I had a spare set of Chelsea Rose 747 decals and decided to see what they would look like on the L-Ten. This is a test fit with a copy of the decals.

British Airways L-1011 Chelsea Rose (test fit decal - not a real livery) by ukjohna, on Flickr

What do you think? Should I go the Chelsea Rose route? I also have a spare set of the USA/Waves of the City 747 decals (as I used on the DC-10).

So - what's it to be?

1. Use the real decals and do Chelsea Rose
2. Switch to Waves of the City
3. Something different - maybe using the Benyhone tartan image that Aviaction provided

Let me know. In the interim, here is the current state of the model again with a copy of the donor model.

British Airways L-1011 Chelsea Rose (test fit decal - not a real livery) and Union Flag (also fantasy) by ukjohna, on Flickr

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Speaking for myself, it's hard to go wrong with tartan.
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Like one of these? Have a preference?

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Both are fine, but for me, probably the top one.
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I had considered Benyhone for Concorde I think you suggested maybe Chelsea Rose?
I have now gone off piste and decided to do Waves of the city but very hard finding a decent sized image.
Now that got me thinking that the Artist Jenifer Kobylarz has done other images and could BA have had unused images for use at later date?
Compilation of her other works Note Waves was originally vertical...




I reckon might try this one?


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I am supposed to be working on a replica of Dash 8 Colour Down the Side after modelmanGB was kind enough to provide a set of decals. However - there is a gap between the painting skill required and my abilities.
The trick is to mask up for the blue belly but leave 2 small gaps for the port and starboard front doors. Be brave John and give it a go. If your careful you can pop off the props to help with accessibility.
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Apologies for butting in....



thanks for info. But I always get a "ridge" when masking, how can that be minimised.?
Also it is not easier to paint if fuselage and wings are seperated?

currently building a Nick Webb metal HPR Herald and will have to mask fuselage...
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thanks for info. But I always get a "ridge" when masking, how can that be minimised.?
Also it is not easier to paint if fuselage and wings are seperated?

currently building a Nick Webb metal HPR Herald and will have to mask fuselage...
You will always get a ridge when masking, you can’t avoid it. But I’ve found that it can be reduced if you use several thin layers of diluted acrylic(water based) paint rather than using enamel paint. Also it helps if you can butt the decals up to the “ridge” line. Also you can try a light wet and dry rub along the ridge line. No wings removed to do this, just the props.
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You will always get a ridge when masking, you can’t avoid it. But I’ve found that it can be reduced if you use several thin layers of diluted acrylic(water based) paint rather than using enamel paint. Also it helps if you can butt the decals up to the “ridge” line. Also you can try a light wet and dry rub along the ridge line. No wings removed to do this, just the props.
Thanks. Ridge lines and even coverage have been my problem in the past. How long do you wait for the (several thin) layers to dry? I have not tried the diluted acrylics yet, so that will certainly influence the time.

I guess my problem is impatience. If I get the airbrush out, I don’t just want to use it for a minute, then set the model aside, clean the brush and come back later for the next coat. I have tried the approach of having several models “on the go” so that I can batch the work, which helps.

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I had considered Benyhone for Concorde I think you suggested maybe Chelsea Rose?
I have now gone off piste and decided to do Waves of the city but very hard finding a decent sized image.
Now that got me thinking that the Artist Jenifer Kobylarz has done other images and could BA have had unused images for use at later date?
Compilation of her other works Note Waves was originally vertical...




I reckon might try this one?


Interesting that the Waves work was vertical. Some of the other designs were used at angles too, (Paithani/India, Primavera/Romania...) but I did not know of any that were rotated 90 degrees. I actually like it better that way, but can see how the rotated version might better represent “flow” along the tail.

Not sure I like the one you selected, but it’s your fantasy model.
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Thanks. Ridge lines and even coverage have been my problem in the past. How long do you wait for the (several thin) layers to dry? I have not tried the diluted acrylics yet, so that will certainly influence the time.

I guess my problem is impatience. If I get the airbrush out, I don’t just want to use it for a minute, then set the model aside, clean the brush and come back later for the next coat. I have tried the approach of having several models “on the go” so that I can batch the work, which helps.

Patience is a virtue, but I am not very virtuous.
I’m exactly the same as you regarding patience.
Painting. Squeeze a small amount of the Vallejo blue onto a clean white pallet such as a saucer. Then dip your paintbrush into a cup of water and mix it into the paint until it almost looks like dark coloured water, but not to runny. Then paint the desired area in long thin strokes. This first coat should be dry in around 15 mins, quicker if you apply some gentle heat from a hairdryer. You should be able to give it 4 coats in an hour, and the finish should look like you’ve sprayed it. Once you are satisfied with the colour finish let it dry for 24hrs. You can then buff the surface from the Matt finish to a satin finish using a cotton bud.
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FFS!
when you are having a good day...not!

Printed "Waves of the City" decals at work. all ready.
Notice the no step canard I had glued the night before had got pushed in....
and then it was downhill from there.
Will probably keep back for full body in white respray but for now
1x Hogan BA chatham consigned to the parts bin.
Will use one of my fleet ones that I've decalled the reg and get another one later.
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FFS!
when you are having a good day...not!

Printed "Waves of the City" decals at work. all ready.
Notice the no step canard I had glued the night before had got pushed in....
and then it was downhill from there.
Will probably keep back for full body in white respray but for now
1x Hogan BA chatham consigned to the parts bin.
Will use one of my fleet ones that I've decalled the reg and get another one later.
Ugh. Not good. I hate it when that happens. Can you post pics of the decals?
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I’m exactly the same as you regarding patience.
Painting. Squeeze a small amount of the Vallejo blue onto a clean white pallet such as a saucer. Then dip your paintbrush into a cup of water and mix it into the paint until it almost looks like dark coloured water, but not to runny. Then paint the desired area in long thin strokes. This first coat should be dry in around 15 mins, quicker if you apply some gentle heat from a hairdryer. You should be able to give it 4 coats in an hour, and the finish should look like you’ve sprayed it. Once you are satisfied with the colour finish let it dry for 24hrs. You can then buff the surface from the Matt finish to a satin finish using a cotton bud.

Thanks. This technique is definitely better than trying to use the airbrush, particularly on such a small model. Tristar moved to the back burner.
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original image was quite small but on 1/200 the low resolution doesn't affect the final result. I flood-fill each color to improve contrast
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Looks pretty good. Looking forward to the final result.
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Looks pretty good. Looking forward to the final result.

yes picked out one of the hogan gen.2 chatham concordes G-BOAB to do as managed to get a replacement gen.1 hogan G-BOAB off ebay for £55. So damaged model will get redone into something later.
Does give me a spare tail..................
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Grief again.

Ebay concorde arrived various scratches and touched in paint. wish I had waited as would have used this one....
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Well....

After 2 attempts at masking and painting with an interim paint removal, I still managed to screw it up. On the 2nd attempt, I forgot to leave the gap for the doors and I messed up the nose.

3 BA Utopia Turboprops by Ukjohna, on Flickr

modelmanGB was kind enough to provide a second set of decals, so I applied a set to see how they would be to work with. They were great, but on such a small plane, my failing eyes and fat fingers didn’t do them justice.

I will leave as is and display for a while so that I can enjoy it even with imperfections, then have another go with the extra decals in a while. From a distance, it will pass for now.

Check out much better work on the original

Thanks again to modelmanGB for the inspiration and the decals.
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Nice customs.

I feel your pain in Groundhog day with two concordes that should have been done at least two weeks ago and still ongoing.
I just expect a half decent finish and FCM decals used on one are the worst. I am having to Custom them all again.
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Well - after looking at the Benyhone image that Aviaction provided here I decided to have a go at this tail on the Tristar.

After looking at this tail on another 3-holer - I decided that the whole of the center engine should be covered:

ZS-OBO British Airways (Comair) 727-294 Benyhone Tartan right by ukjohna, on Flickr

I was stupid enough to try applying the decal in one piece - but even in this rough form, I am not sure that I like the impression, so I tried something more in line with the angle of the tail on the other side. These decals were obviously not sealed properly - but you can still get the idea.

BA Benyhone Tristar - Option 1 by ukjohna, on Flickr
BA Benyhone Tristar - Option 2 by ukjohna, on Flickr

Donor was a blank model. Engines and other paint still need work, so please ignore them for now - I really am looking for input on the style for the tail.

Once I pick, I will redo the decals for a real attempt. Which one should it be?
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At least if it doesn't work it can be stripped.

That concorde i did in USA Waves doesn't look right so might try Benyhone or Chelsea rose.
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