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Old 10-29-2014, 11:59 PM   #301 (permalink)
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You're gonna hate me, but I hate trijets. And I especially dislike the two you mentioned hahah. Please don't kill me! Eeeeek.
i hate you for not loving those three holers
back way, when the jet engines were so loud (yes, the real definition of heavy metal ), eastern had claimed that their 727s were whisper jet and their tristars whisper liner (well, compare to current high bypass turbofans, they were still a rock concert )

but one thing for sure, i will kill you if you really jump on the main gear rig


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I really hope your passion for this last until you finish it properly w/ any decal etc.
i guess you should check the previous page luca has meant to keep the original color of the manila paper. but what he did with clear coat paint is awesome
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This one's for you Hilman! I decided to go from one of the simplest parts of the wing (the aileron) to perhaps the most complex (the inboard flaps). Here's an animation of my design drawings, showing how they articulate. So far I only have the outboard side of the inboard flaps figured out, so I'll have to make the other side (which is hidden within the wing-body fairing) match the motion of this side... which will probably be a huge challenge. I'll probably end up making a test piece, because there are a lot of small moving parts in here that may need to be reworked should they not translate well into paper. The more linkages and points of rotation, the more chance for errors and failures.




(the degrees refer to the angle of rotation of the drive arm, which is the top-most fixed point).

This is getting pretty damn exciting!
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This one's for you Hilman! I decided to go from one of the simplest parts of the wing (the aileron) to perhaps the most complex (the inboard flaps). Here's an animation of my design drawings, showing how they articulate. So far I only have the outboard side of the inboard flaps figured out, so I'll have to make the other side (which is hidden within the wing-body fairing) match the motion of this side... which will probably be a huge challenge. I'll probably end up making a test piece, because there are a lot of small moving parts in here that may need to be reworked should they not translate well into paper. The more linkages and points of rotation, the more chance for errors and failures.

This is getting pretty damn exciting!


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manilaplane would you ever consider making plans and/or templates available for someone wanting to tackle a
similar project. I can see something like that being worth a lot, the ultimate model plans!
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Old 11-13-2014, 04:00 PM   #306 (permalink)
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why do i feel that i have to vote "yes" for this
yes luca, anything.. other than a380.. there are lots more beautiful design of airplanes.. my vote goes to tristar or 727.. you'll get a lot of challenges, especially on designing the s-curve duct
My vote goes for a either a TWA L-1011 or 727 in the 1980s red/white scheme...
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(the degrees refer to the angle of rotation of the drive arm, which is the top-most fixed point).

This is getting pretty damn exciting!
You may call this "exciting" … for the rest of us we call it "incomprehensible" … and I studied mechanical engineering in college!
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[QUOTE=manilaplane;1137200]This one's for you Hilman! I decided to go from one of the simplest parts of the wing (the aileron) to perhaps the most complex (the inboard flaps). Here's an animation of my design drawings, showing how they articulate. So far I only have the outboard side of the inboard flaps figured out, so I'll have to make the other side (which is hidden within the wing-body fairing) match the motion of this side... which will probably be a huge challenge. I'll probably end up making a test piece, because there are a lot of small moving parts in here that may need to be reworked should they not translate well into paper. The more linkages and points of rotation, the more chance for errors and failures.




(the degrees refer to the angle of rotation of the drive arm, which is the top-most fixed point).

This is getting pretty damn exciting![/QUOTE

Double slotted flaps !

BEAUTIFUL !

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Jumping around some more! Got the flaperon out of the way, which I needed to do anyway cause it shares edges with the inboard and outboard flaps, and I needed to make sure it could swing freely without hitting either of them. Made a quick video too to show it operating:



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Now, back to the inboard flaps!

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Lots of people ask me about that, and I'm considering it, but it will definitely be something that happens once this whole project is out of the way. The amount of work that would be required to organize and label my plans is a bit insane. I tend to design stuff and build it immediately after, and after a while, I forget which parts go where. I'd have to go back and sift through everything. Anyway, yes, I'm thinking about it!

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You may call this "exciting" … for the rest of us we call it "incomprehensible" … and I studied mechanical engineering in college!
I was mostly just excited that it turned out in any form, especially since it's being designed in Illustrator!

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Double slotted flaps !

BEAUTIFUL !

Jean Pierre.
One of my favorite parts of the wing, and it's so cool to see how they extend and retract. Almost like magic.
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I just realized I've never seen a work of art / engineering in progress
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those actuators are so unreal...
can't believe they were made from paper...
compare to the bulldog clip and pen beside them, i can imagine how small they are...
luca, i believe you must get patent right for this... no one has ever done such mechanism with manila paper, especially for the joint mechanism of the actuators..
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I just realized I've never seen a work of art / engineering in progress
It defies categorization!

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those actuators are so unreal...
can't believe they were made from paper...
compare to the bulldog clip and pen beside them, i can imagine how small they are...
luca, i believe you must get patent right for this... no one has ever done such mechanism with manila paper, especially for the joint mechanism of the actuators..
Yea, those are some of the hardest parts to do. First I have to delaminate the folder to get it to single-ply thickness, then I have to roll it into a perfectly tight cylinder. It takes multiple tries, and they have to be the exact diameter or the parts will be loose (on a piece like the double-slotted flaps, this is especially important as a single inaccuracy will get multiplied by each subsequent linkage). Fun times!
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Luca … your talents are so multidisciplinary it really "defies categorization"!

You are a Master Model Builder, Mechanical Engineer, Industrial Designer and Artist (in no particular order) all rolled into one. Not to mention, you are one heckuva cool and humble guy willing to share your passion to the world!

Once you finish this project you might consider 'inventing' something really revolutionary and get it crowd-funded on Kickstarter or Indiegogo … perhaps something you may already have considered? :roll eyes:

Simply INCREDIBLE!
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Luca … your talents are so multidisciplinary it really "defies categorization"!

You are a Master Model Builder, Mechanical Engineer, Industrial Designer and Artist (in no particular order) all rolled into one. Not to mention, you are one heckuva cool and humble guy willing to share your passion to the world!

Once you finish this project you might consider 'inventing' something really revolutionary and get it crowd-funded on Kickstarter or Indiegogo … perhaps something you may already have considered? :roll eyes:

Simply INCREDIBLE!
That's awfully kind of you to say! I suppose it's the kind of project that spans multiple categories, which is why I've enjoyed working on it so much. Dunno about the inventions though... I'll have to think of something

Here's another quick video of yet another test piece (well, more like a proof of concept)—This is the flap drive system, which will control both inboard and outboard flap systems simultaneously. Somehow, I managed to miniaturize U-joints and make them strong enough to translate the rotational motion from the center of the wing out to the edges... DON'T ASK ME HOW CAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA!

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You are on a great track to build something very memorable.
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luca.. you're definitely an alien...
judging that you could push the limit of manila paper, i can see now that startrek is not just a fiction.. it is our future..
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Super work ! Beyond belief ! Can you share with us what specific types of adhesives you prefer. You really have this down to a science.
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This project truly exemplifies the potential and the power of the human mind ... maybe Luca is a distant descendant of Leonardo da Vinci?
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Project is potentially on hold til the end of January, but the time won't be going to waste Hang tight in the meantime!

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luca.. you're definitely an alien...
judging that you could push the limit of manila paper, i can see now that startrek is not just a fiction.. it is our future..
I guess I am an alien. lol.

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Super work ! Beyond belief ! Can you share with us what specific types of adhesives you prefer. You really have this down to a science.
I've only ever used this, and it works quite well for my purposes:
http://www.amazon.com/Aleenes-Clear-...dp/B000BY6THS/
It dries quite fast.

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This project truly exemplifies the potential and the power of the human mind ... maybe Luca is a distant descendant of Leonardo da Vinci?
Nah... with 6+ years of practice, you'd get quite good at this too!
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Project is potentially on hold til the end of January, but the time won't be going to waste
Let me guess : you decided to finally start a paper 747-8i?
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Let me guess : you decided to finally start a paper 747-8i?
OMG how did you guess?!?
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Ya know, I am not really into commercial jets. I am not an engineer, CAD/CAM guy, or into paper models.

But this thread has totally destroyed not just MY productivity at work today, but two of my other coworkers' as well.

Mind.
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Incredible work. I cannot conceive of what all is involved with this, even after watching the videos.
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Ya know, I am not really into commercial jets. I am not an engineer, CAD/CAM guy, or into paper models.

But this thread has totally destroyed not just MY productivity at work today, but two of my other coworkers' as well.

Mind.
Blown.

Incredible work. I cannot conceive of what all is involved with this, even after watching the videos.
don't let any1 else know... the bosses might find out, BUT i can totally understand the organization & more importantly the passion to do this project for so long.
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OMG how did you guess?!?
I'd love to see how this turns out! Any progress reports, now that it's about two months since that post (presumably you have started working on it)?
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But this thread has totally destroyed not just MY productivity at work today, but two of my other coworkers' as well.
Mission accomplished!

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I'd love to see how this turns out! Any progress reports, now that it's about two months since that post (presumably you have started working on it)?
Sorry about the lack of updates. I've been in a bit of a holding pattern; the details of the project are still being negotiated. The original plan was to be done by now but the scope of the project has continued to evolve over time, as has the ETA. I'm crossing my fingers that everything works out in the end, as it has the potential to be really exciting. I'm still plugging away at my model, too. Hang in there!

And NO, as much as I'd love to be working on a 748i, that's not what I'll be doing. It does, however, involve an airline.
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Luca, you are GOD!

I cant get it straight with a plastic Revell kit. And you make it with Manila Folder.
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Sorry about the lack of updates. I've been in a bit of a holding pattern; the details of the project are still being negotiated. The original plan was to be done by now but the scope of the project has continued to evolve over time, as has the ETA. I'm crossing my fingers that everything works out in the end, as it has the potential to be really exciting. I'm still plugging away at my model, too. Hang in there!

And NO, as much as I'd love to be working on a 748i, that's not what I'll be doing. It does, however, involve an airline.
I hate suspense

Good luck with that. I'm glad to hear that you're doing something involving an airline. It's great to see that your work is being recognised and you're (hopefully) getting something other than just adulation out of it.
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It's definitely harder than building THE REAL THING...
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Sorry about the lack of updates. I've been in a bit of a holding pattern; the details of the project are still being negotiated. The original plan was to be done by now but the scope of the project has continued to evolve over time, as has the ETA. I'm crossing my fingers that everything works out in the end, as it has the potential to be really exciting. I'm still plugging away at my model, too. Hang in there!

And NO, as much as I'd love to be working on a 748i, that's not what I'll be doing. It does, however, involve an airline.
Hey Luca! Just read this comment/reply and I'm slightly confused by your first paragraph ... so please pardon my nosiness in advance

What I'm getting is that you're negotiating a project that is possibly outside of the 777 model that you've been sharing with us? Or is it that the scope of THIS project has grown in your discussions with the other party, which you've mentioned is an airline? Sorry to be so inquisitive ... but you might have opened up a can of worms ... haha!
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Hey Luca! Just read this comment/reply and I'm slightly confused by your first paragraph ... so please pardon my nosiness in advance

What I'm getting is that you're negotiating a project that is possibly outside of the 777 model that you've been sharing with us? Or is it that the scope of THIS project has grown in your discussions with the other party, which you've mentioned is an airline? Sorry to be so inquisitive ... but you might have opened up a can of worms ... haha!
Nah, I was totally unclear in what I wrote. It's a separate project for an airline in a similar vein as this one. I'll be sure to share details as soon as I'm able to, though it may not be for a number of months (assuming it goes through) :/
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Nah, I was totally unclear in what I wrote. It's a separate project for an airline in a similar vein as this one. I'll be sure to share details as soon as I'm able to, though it may not be for a number of months (assuming it goes through) :/
Hey that's GREAT! But then if you're in a "holding pattern" (no pun intended) with the airline project proposal, how would that affect the progress of your AMAZING Air India 777-300ER project? Told ya it was going to open up a can of worms ... or at least a ream or two of Manila folders!
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Hey that's GREAT! But then if you're in a "holding pattern" (no pun intended) with the airline project proposal, how would that affect the progress of your AMAZING Air India 777-300ER project? Told ya it was going to open up a can of worms ... or at least a ream or two of Manila folders!
Well since you ask...

Got the center wingbox (mostly) done. Still have to build the other side but I think the design is solid (no pun intended). As you can see, it's a bit different than the real thing... a bunch of cross-braces that (will eventually) straddle the keel beam and connect to the fuselage skin + floor beams to provide a solid mounting point for the wings. There are 21 teeth on the CWB that lock into notches on the inboard edge of the wingbox, which in turn distribute loads to the wing skin (well, at least in theory... I'm not a trained engineer lol). Might look flimsy here but it feels incredibly, incredibly solid... it doesn't really give at all. Almost feels like a block of wood. Anyway, here are some pics:















































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Sort of reminds me of a ship hull structure...seeing like this you can appreciate the strength of such structures....
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:16 PM   #338 (permalink)
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The very intricate detail and accuracy of your model are way beyond words !!!!!!
You are a one in a billion genius !!

You could have designed the real Boeing 777-300ER !

This is the all time best model airliner (probably the best all time of all airplanes).
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Old 03-19-2015, 08:33 PM   #339 (permalink)
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Thanks, guys! Really appreciate the kind words. Another quick update: I tested the piece out on the fuselage, and while the design is definitely solid, it's gonna need to be tweaked to really fit properly. Unfortunately, the fuselage is pretty imprecise and sloppy in some areas, which makes it hard to design pieces that interface with it. At least I know what to fix now! I do like these pics though, as they kinda give a sense of what the wings will look like once attached... which is super exciting.














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Old 03-23-2015, 05:38 AM   #340 (permalink)
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One last update! Tweaked the dimensions and re-assembled both sides. Fits perfectly now! I'm gonna wait to install until I have the wings mostly done, just incase I need to modify anything.

Parts for both sides (I'm don't normally lay the parts out this neatly, but I guess I was feeling inspired ). The old test piece is in the upper right corner, along with the wing root.



The keel beam will sit between both sides:








Sidenote: Had a SNAFU with flickr, so I'm reposting the ones from my past couple posts below. Sorry about that.
































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Old 03-23-2015, 11:18 AM   #341 (permalink)
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Old 03-24-2015, 02:44 AM   #342 (permalink)
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nice looking & sturdy structure
but too bad they will be hidden under the wings-body fairing..
anyway, judging from the way you overcome the nose design, i believe the wings-body fairing definitely is not a problem for you
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Hey Luca … how're things going with the 777 wings and stuff? Looking forward to an update again … hoping all is well with you!
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Old 06-27-2015, 01:30 PM   #344 (permalink)
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Hey Luca … how're things going with the 777 wings and stuff? Looking forward to an update again … hoping all is well with you!
Sorry about the silence on my end. Not actually working on the 777 currently (still intend to finish), but there's some exciting stuff in the works for the fall. That's all I can really say at this point
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I hope it's aviation related
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Sorry about the silence on my end. Not actually working on the 777 currently (still intend to finish), but there's some exciting stuff in the works for the fall. That's all I can really say at this point
No worries … looking forward to further updates whenever it happens!
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Sorry about the silence on my end. Not actually working on the 777 currently (still intend to finish), but there's some exciting stuff in the works for the fall. That's all I can really say at this point
i guess the 747-8i has already entered the production line on manilaplane factory
just wondering, what livery would it be? lufhansa? korean? but my guess is, air china

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Let me guess : you decided to finally start a paper 747-8i?
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Its been 3 months since we last heard from manilaplane. he probably has moved on to bigger and better..It was a nice run for a while! Hope he comes back soon..
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Here's something bigger and better, something exciting for the fall:
"At Singapore Airlines, No Detail Is Too Small"
https://youtu.be/wt99b5ccwqk

Amazing work.
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Here's something bigger and better, something exciting for the fall:
"At Singapore Airlines, No Detail Is Too Small"
https://youtu.be/wt99b5ccwqk

Amazing work.



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