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Old 02-01-2014, 05:10 AM   #201 (permalink)
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If you could ever figure out a way to sell "plans" on how/what you did, this would be the kind of thing us older guys could buy and then spend the rest of our lives building. Would be fun.
I've had a LOT of people ask about plans, so when I'm done with the model I'll look into putting something together. The complexity of the plans is pretty crazy, though, so it would take me a while to organize them into something useful/share-able.

I like to call this equal parts design, engineering, and sculpture, because there is a fair amount that has been done by hand and for which I have no plans...

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While you're thinking about your LONG term plans would you consider building a large-scale 787-800/900 ... or possibly a 747-8I ... ? The reason I ask is because these planes go so well together as they're all large widebodies being built in Everett's mammoth factory ... just my 2 cents worth!
I definitely see myself making a larger model down the road, but as I'm sure you can understand I have more pressing priorities right now (employment etc). BUT, I absolutely see what you mean and I've actually been eyeing the 748 for a long time cause it has such nice shapes

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CONGRATS LUCA!!! You now have the recognition of Boeing's execs ... could a job be looming in the future?
Boeing has been surprisingly generous, and it looks like I'll be going up to Seattle to visit at the end of February. In terms of jobs, though, I have my doubts. I mean to be honest, it's not something I'd expect them to offer me, given my lack of traditional engineering background (also I'm not sure it's something I'd want to do). I'm happy just to visit!

Yea, the press has been a bit crazy... I'm glad it's finally calming down a bit!

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“Luca’s work is remarkable and highlights the beautiful design of the 777. I am thoroughly impressed by his craftsmanship and replication of our design,” Lund said.

thumbs up for you, mp..
i know that you're not doing it for the recognition, but i believe that all your hard work has paid off now..
I kinda **** my pants when I read that hahaha. I guess it's been making the rounds within the company!

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I've been following your work on this thread for over a year and I am constantly astounded by what you've done. This is not just the coolest model ever made, but it's also a great example of what true perseverance, ingenuity, dedication, and hard work can result in. Your work should be an inspiration to everyone, not just those of us interested in model airplanes.
Thank you! I do hope I inspire people to think outside the box! I'm convinced people would be surprised at what they could do if they set their minds to it. It's not like I was born with any of these skills...

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Astounding! Your video and photos further demonstrate your gifts. I'm so glad to see the news clips and the (appropriate) appreciation and recognition coming from Boeing and others. Can't wait for further updates on your progress.
Thank you! So looking forward to having this done

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Hi Luca. I recently saw an article about your triple seven on The Verge which just blew me away. I had no idea you have been posting your progress here on DA.C until just now haha. The title of this thread didn't register in my brain I guess. Anyway, like every soul in these pages has said already, you have a God-given talent and are an inspiration around the globe.

BTW, can we possibly see a 747 in the future?
Haha, glad you finally stumbled across this thread! As I said earlier in this post, I've definitely given some thought to a 747(-8) model... it's high on my list

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I definitely see myself making a larger model down the road, but as I'm sure you can understand I have more pressing priorities right now (employment etc).
Hi Luca,

May I be so bold as to ask what you're doing for a living? Anything aviation related?

You're right, though. Like anyone else you've got to pay the bills somehow It would definitely be nice to see a paper 747-8 some time in the future!

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Boeing has been surprisingly generous, and it looks like I'll be going up to Seattle to visit at the end of February. In terms of jobs, though, I have my doubts. I mean to be honest, it's not something I'd expect them to offer me, given my lack of traditional engineering background (also I'm not sure it's something I'd want to do). I'm happy just to visit!
Enjoy! Maybe you'll get the VIP tour that us mere mortals can only dream of (i.e., not merely watching from the top floor).

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Dear Luca

Your work is a true inspiration and yes, it's awesome!
I found a link to your work from our monthly pilot Newsletter set out by our company's Chief Boeing Pilot!! (And yes, you just got 1900 new fans!)

Back in 1996, I was just selected for Pilot training in the air force, when I saw a picture of the first Boeing 777. I fell in love immediately and decided then that I want to fly it one day...
Now, 16 years later, I achieved that goal and are flying the 777 (-200 / -300 and ER) for Cathay Pacific.

I totally understand your passion and I believe you will make a success of anything you attempt in life!!

I cannot wait to see your model one day - it will be an absolute honor!

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P.S. I would really like to offer any help with schematics, drawings, or general info - but it seems your knowledge of the B777 design is FAR superior than any mere pilot's!!!
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Boeing has been surprisingly generous, and it looks like I'll be going up to Seattle to visit at the end of February. In terms of jobs, though, I have my doubts. I mean to be honest, it's not something I'd expect them to offer me, given my lack of traditional engineering background (also I'm not sure it's something I'd want to do). I'm happy just to visit!
don't forget to bring your camera also
can't wait to hear your story here when visiting boeing factory ..
(perhaps you should make a new thread here.. )

have a joyful and memorable touring
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don't forget to bring your camera also
can't wait to hear your story here when visiting boeing factory ..
(perhaps you should make a new thread here.. )

have a joyful and memorable touring
+100000 It would be awesome if you have time to do a trip report with some photos!
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I've had a LOT of people ask about plans, so when I'm done with the model I'll look into putting something together. The complexity of the plans is pretty crazy, though, so it would take me a while to organize them into something useful/share-able.......I've actually been eyeing the 748 for a long time cause it has such nice shapes
So here's a suggestion to help you help the rest of us, in two parts:

1) Release plans not all at once for the aircraft, but piecemeal: seats, engine cowling, engine interior, front landing gear, etc. etc. This way it's not overwhelming for you, nor overwhelming for the builder. I can't recall but I've seen this done in the past (for far less complex models);

2) The 747-8, how about a "group" project. Maybe you could do plans for First/Business/Coach class seats, and then some of us could "help" you build the pieces and send to you. Same goes for other parts. Maybe as a group it could not only go a bit faster (I say a bit), but less pressure for you, and you share the responsibility just like Boeing has done with the rest of its planes in real life.

Just some suggestions to think about
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On CNN too....

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Hi Luca, May I be so bold as to ask what you're doing for a living? Anything aviation related?
Nope, not remotely related Odd jobs on the side, and occasional video projects for people, but I'm obviously looking for something full-time/career-building. There are some interesting options in the pipeline, but it's too early to say much.

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Enjoy! Maybe you'll get the VIP tour that us mere mortals can only dream of (i.e., not merely watching from the top floor).
I'm really hoping—who knows! They said "VIP" but as for what exactly that means, we'll just have to wait and see.

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Your work is a true inspiration and yes, it's awesome!
I found a link to your work from our monthly pilot Newsletter set out by our company's Chief Boeing Pilot!! (And yes, you just got 1900 new fans!)

I cannot wait to see your model one day - it will be an absolute honor!

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P.S. I would really like to offer any help with schematics, drawings, or general info - but it seems your knowledge of the B777 design is FAR superior than any mere pilot's!!!
Thanks so much!! That's such an honor!

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don't forget to bring your camera also
can't wait to hear your story here when visiting boeing factory ..
(perhaps you should make a new thread here.. )

have a joyful and memorable touring
Thank you! They've been very generous, so I'm crossing my fingers!

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+100000 It would be awesome if you have time to do a trip report with some photos!
Yes! I'm going to try my hardest! I'll ask ahead of time if photos will be allowed—I know some people have been granted access (Jon [email protected]), so who knows. There's hope!

BUT, if I do take some decent shots, I'll be sure to start a thread on DA.C!

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So here's a suggestion to help you help the rest of us, in two parts:

1) Release plans not all at once for the aircraft, but piecemeal: seats, engine cowling, engine interior, front landing gear, etc. etc. This way it's not overwhelming for you, nor overwhelming for the builder. I can't recall but I've seen this done in the past (for far less complex models);

2) The 747-8, how about a "group" project. Maybe you could do plans for First/Business/Coach class seats, and then some of us could "help" you build the pieces and send to you. Same goes for other parts. Maybe as a group it could not only go a bit faster (I say a bit), but less pressure for you, and you share the responsibility just like Boeing has done with the rest of its planes in real life.

Just some suggestions to think about
I like the piecemeal approach; It's probably the only sane way to release anything.

As for the 747-8—won't lie, I'm very much a "do it myself" kind of person, but I can definitely see where the project could benefit from work-sharing. Definitely something to think about!

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ALSO, if anyone is in the Seattle area, we could try to meet up or something, who knows. I have my tickets but my exact plans aren't firm yet. This would be happening at the end of February/beginning of March.
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Hey all—
A quick update! I've been rather busy lately, but I finally have a stretch of free time and I'm resuming work on the wings, which is both an exciting and daunting prospect. Attached are pictures of some of the schematics I drew up before the media circus descended on my life (mid-January), so I'll be picking up from here. I've essentially established the outer shape of the wings, and now I have to move onto refinements and carving out all the movable surfaces, as well as all the structural stuff. Lots of work ahead, and who knows how long it'll take, but I'm very very excited to see the wings come together!

I'll post a quick (and very belated) summary of my trip up to Seattle/KPAE in Squawk Talk, for those interested! Some of you have probably already seen the pics I posted of the Boeing Factory, but for those who haven't, go check them out!











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I'm excited & hope they come out good. It'll really bring the model alive w/ the wings formed.
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Good to hear from you again Luca!
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luca, is it my eyes or the raked wingtips is too short?
anyway, waiting patiently for your progress.. judging from your work, i believe you will make those slats, flaps and spoilers into moveable parts also
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Hi guys! Been a while, I know... things have settled down for me, so it looks like I'll have a good chunk of the summer to get the wings done. Still in the midst of the design process, but I think I've got the general shape locked down. I refined my plans since last time and built a full-size mockup to get a sense of the shape. Looks good to me, but if anyone sees any glaring errors, do let me know! I still have to design the wing root/fairing area, but it's easy to add later on, and doesn't really affect the shape of the rest of the wing.

Here are the refined plans+wireframe:

(lower surface on the left, upper on the right)






Detailed wireframe, which is what the physical mockup is based off:



Physical mockup:

























The cool thing about this mockup is that it has a lot of give (because there's no skin applied), so it sags like the real thing. Unfortunately, my final model will have totally stiff wings... it's impossible to account for sag in the plans, and once the skin is applied the wingbox will be quite strong (and thus, no bending). Oh well...
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for a second i thought i was looking at the factory where the wing was being assembled
Excellent continued work, it getting supsensful to see how it ends up & i can't imagine how you are feeling
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Good lord, that's just a "mock-up"?

Amazing, just amazing! Really enjoy every single one of your updates and can't wait to see the entire plane completed!
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This is Truly incredible
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Looks good to me, but if anyone sees any glaring errors, do let me know!
it does look a tripple seven wing to me
and turned it, it was my eyes anyway.. the raked wingtip seems perfectly fine
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The cool thing about this mockup is that it has a lot of give (because there's no skin applied), so it sags like the real thing. Unfortunately, my final model will have totally stiff wings... it's impossible to account for sag in the plans, and once the skin is applied the wingbox will be quite strong (and thus, no bending). Oh well...
i guess you have to worry more on how the wing will support its weight and also the engine.. but judging from the mock up, i believe you have solved this problem
but please don't tell me that you will conduct the wing load test too...
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We missed your updates Luca ... glad you're back on it!

The wing looks incredible ... and I HATE to ask this question, but will there be any control surface function ... a la the vertical stabilizer? Just curious ... it certainly doesn't need it in my opinion, but I just wanted to find out for sure.

Also, just curious as well - how were you able to determine the airfoil cross-sections for all the wing ribs? Based on my limited knowledge of descriptive geometry, I'm presuming that you could extrapolate the intermediate cross-sections based upon the main sections you already had determined in the red-lined drawings? Again ... just curious ... BRILLIANT job as always!
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I've had a LOT of people ask about plans, so when I'm done with the model I'll look into putting something together. The complexity of the plans is pretty crazy, though, so it would take me a while to organize them into something useful/share-able.
I would LOVE to see an L-1011 done this way!!! And a 727 for that matter...

You could probably start a pretty good business just making do-it-yourself kits! This 777 would be a great advertisement for your customers...
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Welcome back Luca !

Thanks for all the new photos.This is most definitely a masterpiece taking shape !

The ultimate model airliner !!

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Amazing and inspiring, as always, Luca. Thanks for the update. Photography is definitely one of your skills!

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Amazing, amazing and amazing....Luca, thats all i can say. I seen the Utube video which u painted model on some media paper in my country and i say WOW, where the hell this guy from and today so suprised to know that u r member of DAC and this project still going on. U r truly talent n most incredible guy out there, please keep working n update here, we cant wait to see the final plane.
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Hey Luca ... as I was researching 3D printer technology I stumbled across this software by AutoDesk which allows you to do some amazing things once you have established a baseline 3D model of your subject - they surely did a great job slicing up the bagel!

Obviously the custom work you do is impossible to replicate, but for those not so terribly gifted it offers us a ray of hope ��


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Hi Luca, that wing is definitely taking shape! Looks very nice!

So how was the Boeing tour? Is there anything you can share with us here?
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for a second i thought i was looking at the factory where the wing was being assembled
Excellent continued work, it getting supsensful to see how it ends up & i can't imagine how you are feeling
It was definitely exciting to see it in full-size, it gave me a much better sense of the shape! When I get to making the real thing, I'm actually going to build an entire jig to properly align the wingbox... doing it by sight never quite works out perfectly. So, by that point, it'll DEFINITELY look like the factory haha (albeit in miniature).

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Good lord, that's just a "mock-up"?

Amazing, just amazing! Really enjoy every single one of your updates and can't wait to see the entire plane completed!
Thank you! I'm so excited to see the final product, believe me! It's taken long enough already.

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it does look a tripple seven wing to me
and turned it, it was my eyes anyway.. the raked wingtip seems perfectly fine

i guess you have to worry more on how the wing will support its weight and also the engine.. but judging from the mock up, i believe you have solved this problem
but please don't tell me that you will conduct the wing load test too...
Once I apply the skin to the wingbox, it'll be incredibly strong... I just have to make sure the wing to body mating is strong enough. I also have to make sure the landing gear can support the weight of the model... the final thing will probably approach ten pounds, and that'll be resting on three relatively small stilts. It'll be an adventure figuring it all out, that's for sure! Hahaha.

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We missed your updates Luca ... glad you're back on it!

The wing looks incredible ... and I HATE to ask this question, but will there be any control surface function ... a la the vertical stabilizer? Just curious ... it certainly doesn't need it in my opinion, but I just wanted to find out for sure.

Also, just curious as well - how were you able to determine the airfoil cross-sections for all the wing ribs? Based on my limited knowledge of descriptive geometry, I'm presuming that you could extrapolate the intermediate cross-sections based upon the main sections you already had determined in the red-lined drawings? Again ... just curious ... BRILLIANT job as always!
Thanks so much! And yes, I absolutely plan on having fully moveable control surfaces. Not sure exactly how it's all going to work, but I'm in the process of figuring it out and it's a bit stressful, I must admit.

The airfoil was all guesswork. I know the general shape, but I had to improvise a lot, based in part on Boeing's airport planning docs and the training manual. In the end, though, it won't matter much... as long as it looks relatively close. The flap movement characteristics are more important, in my opinion.

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I would LOVE to see an L-1011 done this way!!! And a 727 for that matter...

You could probably start a pretty good business just making do-it-yourself kits! This 777 would be a great advertisement for your customers...
Oh man... I think when I'm done with this, I'll be really sick of paper modeling for quite a while... hah.

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Thanks for all the new photos.This is most definitely a masterpiece taking shape !

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Amazing, amazing and amazing....Luca, thats all i can say. I seen the Utube video which u painted model on some media paper in my country and i say WOW, where the hell this guy from and today so suprised to know that u r member of DAC and this project still going on. U r truly talent n most incredible guy out there, please keep working n update here, we cant wait to see the final plane.
Thanks so much! I love sharing the progress so definitely check back...

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Hey Luca ... as I was researching 3D printer technology I stumbled across this software by AutoDesk which allows you to do some amazing things once you have established a baseline 3D model of your subject - they surely did a great job slicing up the bagel!

Obviously the custom work you do is impossible to replicate, but for those not so terribly gifted it offers us a ray of hope ��

Oh god... that makes me cry. That would make my life infinitely easier, but alas, I'm a masochist and am designing this using somewhat medieval methods... blarg.

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Hi Luca, that wing is definitely taking shape! Looks very nice!

So how was the Boeing tour? Is there anything you can share with us here?
Apologies, I've been super spacey about posting pictures of my tour. It was amazing! David Reese (the senior manager of visitor relations) gave me a tour of the factory floor, and it was almost surreal to be inside such a huge building and see so many planes up close in various stages of completion. I got to crawl around in a 748i and a 787 fuselage barrel, as well as a 777F... really, really cool. I also got to see the 777 wing riveting machine, and they gave me a bunch of rivets and a block of aluminum as souvenirs of sorts haha. I felt extremely lucky to have been given such an incredible tour/opportunity.

I took a bunch of pictures, and Mr. Reese originally gave me the OK to post them online, but someone else from Boeing asked me to take them down later on... so I've made the photos from inside the factory private. If you'd like to check them out, you can use this link:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/lucaiaconistewart/h4837t/
Probably should be kept hush-hush... In my opinion, it's total BS because people like Jon Ostrower (from the WSJ) post many more pictures, showing much greater detail, but I'm not about to argue with Boeing over this.

I was also lucky enough to be given two diecast models... so I guess it's the start of my collection! Pics here: https://www.flickr.com/gp/lucaiaconistewart/Z65m67/
I'm sort of in love with the 748... if I ever do another model, I definitely think it's what I'll build. Such a sexy plane! And seeing it in person only confirmed that

And, finally, here are some pictures from the Historic Flight Foundation: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lucaia...7642672666904/
Not my area of interest, but the guy who gave me the tour (John Rogalski) was incredibly enthusiastic and very very funny, so it was a great experience. All in all, an amazing trip, and I felt super fortunate to have been afforded the opportunity.

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Quick update—
I tend to jump around when I'm designing, as working on one part gets a bit boring. The whole center wingbox/gear bay/wing mating/landing gear area is going to be a huge amount of work (the landing gear design depends on/is influenced by the wing design, and vice versa), so I figured it would be good to get (at the very least) the MLG trucks/struts out of the way so I can design the wing around them. I've gotten a good chunk of the MLG designed, sadly all on the computer for now but I should be able to start assembly soon. Figured I'd post a few pics of my plans thus far so you can see what an insane endeavor it is!

And yes, if you're curious, the MLG will be fully articulated, including rear-axle "steering"... going all-out with the detailing here

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Great to hear from you again! Looking forward to the work
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I've gotten a good chunk of the MLG designed, sadly all on the computer for now but I should be able to start assembly soon. Figured I'd post a few pics of my plans thus far so you can see what an insane endeavor it is!

And yes, if you're curious, the MLG will be fully articulated, including rear-axle "steering"... going all-out with the detailing here
Honestly, when I read about the details of JUST the MLG trucks, my head starts spinning and I keep saying to myself ... "No way ... that's impossible ... it can't be ..."

But it WILL be!
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The issue that concerns me the most is the amount of weight that will be resting on the landing gear... easily 3 pounds per side (haven't weighed the model recently, and the wings haven't even been built yet), plus the fact that the struts are angled backward, which creates additional stress. Anyway, I think I should be able to pull it off, but it remains to be seen, of course. Should be an adventure!
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Started assembly of the MLG trucks! Very exciting. I was sick of working on the computer anyway So far so good, and I'm surprised and impressed at how strong they are! I have a feeling they'll easily support the final weight of the model, but that obviously remains to be seen. The rear axle rotates too, just as intended. Always nice when there aren't any hiccups along the way! Anyway, a few quick pics and back to work for me...

P.S. The tires haven't been permanently attached yet, but I wanted to try them out anyway... so the alignment is a bit wonky for now.










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Maybe implying that it is so accurate that it's hard to believe it is a model?
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Maybe implying that it is so accurate that it's hard to believe it is a model?
That's how I read it too.

Still can't believe my eyes when I look at this stunning project.
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Thanks guys! A few more pics...

First, the parts (which I should have included last time). There are over 700 pieces per side :O







The beginnings of the shock strut:





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Jaw-dropping work, as always. Can't wait to see more!
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Maybe implying that it is so accurate that it's hard to believe it is a model?

Ah, it makes sense...another e.g. why typing comments on forums suck.

Maybe an emote would have helped convey the message better
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Gotta ask you Luca ... how the heck are the wheels/tires constructed? I can see how the tires are "layered" circumferentially along the sidewalls, but what I'm wondering is what supports these "sidewall rings" on the inside to give it strength and to hold its shape?

What is remarkable (amongst many aspects) is that the tires are so consistently round and even. I don't know what the diameter of these are, but I know they can't be much more than 1/2" in diameter, if that, which means there's a lot of hand-crafting going on to make sure that they're solid and consistent ... so are there "ribs" inside the tire to hold its shape, or is it merely the glue holding the sidewall rings together? I'm NEVER going to attempt what you're doing here - I'm just curious being a model builder myself ... thanks!
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Gotta ask you Luca ... how the heck are the wheels/tires constructed? I can see how the tires are "layered" circumferentially along the sidewalls, but what I'm wondering is what supports these "sidewall rings" on the inside to give it strength and to hold its shape?

What is remarkable (amongst many aspects) is that the tires are so consistently round and even. I don't know what the diameter of these are, but I know they can't be much more than 1/2" in diameter, if that, which means there's a lot of hand-crafting going on to make sure that they're solid and consistent ... so are there "ribs" inside the tire to hold its shape, or is it merely the glue holding the sidewall rings together? I'm NEVER going to attempt what you're doing here - I'm just curious being a model builder myself ... thanks!
The insides of the tires are solid spiral/coil, which adds a tremendous amount of strength. If the strength of the axles wasn't the limiting factor, the tires themselves could probably easily support several pounds each. Here's a pic of the assembly process to give you an idea of the internal structure:



It was actually pretty easy to make them consistently round... I just had to make a really tight spiral (around a .125" toothpick). I had a guide to let me know when i'd reached the right diameter (.875" in this case).
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The insides of the tires are solid spiral/coil, which adds a tremendous amount of strength. If the strength of the axles wasn't the limiting factor, the tires themselves could probably easily support several pounds each. Here's a pic of the assembly process to give you an idea of the internal structure:



It was actually pretty easy to make them consistently round... I just had to make a really tight spiral (around a .125" toothpick). I had a guide to let me know when i'd reached the right diameter (.875" in this case).
Wow Luca ... thanks for the detailed explanation and excellent photos! Now that you've shared the construction techniques, it all makes good sense now, but to come up with that approach is the remarkable part.

Now one last question - nah ... never mind ... I was gonna ask you how the "sidewalls" (half donuts) were formed, but I'll just assume it took a LOT of patience to glue those concentric rings together to form that compound shape ... just brilliant!

Thanks for answering my inquisitive questions - it's hard to believe that you could make the 3rd MLG axle articulate, but then again, based on your proven expertise in this modeling niche, it appears that NOTHING is impossible ... BRAVO!
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Maybe an emote would have helped convey the message better
Yes - shame on you. I don't over use emoticons hint hint.

This model has eclipsed the notion of model - its a masterpiece that you would expect from Boeing itself.

I kneel before you Sir ManillaPlane.... I am not worthy!

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Every time I'm blown away thinking it can't get any more amazing, something new pops up in this thread that blows me away again.

I hope you've taken really detailed photos of every single step so a book can be put together.
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I agree.The level of detail on this model is beyond belief !

It also indicates the tremendous in depth knowledge that you have about this airplane.

Very,very.very well done !
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I would just like to add that it is if you had been the designer of the real
Boeing 777-300 ER !
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It also indicates the tremendous in depth knowledge that you have about this airplane.

Very,very.very well done !
Totally agree with all the previous posters regarding the "level of detail" ... it's really incomprehensible to me that one could possibly exceed the efforts by Luca, unless the model was NC-machined out of aluminum at an identical scale - and based off of the actual Boeing engineering drawings.
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It also indicates the tremendous in depth knowledge that you have about this airplane.

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Totally agree with all the previous posters regarding the "level of detail" ... it's really incomprehensible to me that one could possibly exceed the efforts by Luca, unless the model was NC-machined out of aluminum at an identical scale - and based off of the actual Boeing engineering drawings.
Thank you guys so much!

Gotta say, the official 777 training manual has been a lifesaver when it comes to understanding the design of minute details. Doesn't mean it makes it any easier to figure out how to make them from paper, but at the very least I can get a super-detailed idea of how things work.








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