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Old 05-21-2010, 01:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys,

Im currently in talks with china to make a rotating Airport beacon, so it will be lighted and it will also rotate. All i need is your guys help with dimensions. As im unsure how big to make it so it fits 1:400 scale.

Currently i've told them 16cm tall with base of 6 cm by 6 cm and given them the following design.



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If it turns out good i'll put in an order for more, so you guys can have some too..
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It would be nice to have these available in 1/200
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Hey guys,

Im currently in talks with china to make a rotating Airport beacon, so it will be lighted and it will also rotate. All i need is your guys help with dimensions. As im unsure how big to make it so it fits 1:400 scale.

Currently i've told them 16cm tall with base of 6 cm by 6 cm and given them the following design.



Thanks for the help
If it turns out good i'll put in an order for more, so you guys can have some too..
The best way to get the dimensions is to find out the actual height of the tower in feet. Then you mulitply the height by 12 to convert it to inches. Once you do that, you divide it by the scale. If you are making it 1/400 scale, then divide the number by 400. If you are making it in 1/200, divide by 200. That will give you the conversion height in scale.

The tower in the picture looks 40 to 50 feet high..

And as Maverick said, this would be great in 1/200!!!
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This is a great idea! I hope it goes through!
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Id take a few if this was out in 1/200, we definatly need alot more accessories! Any chance you can get some made for us 1/200 guys and dolls?
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How many are you ordering?
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Id take a few if this was out in 1/200, we definatly need alot more accessories! Any chance you can get some made for us 1/200 guys and dolls?
Yes!!!! More 1:200 scale accessories!!!!!! I'd buy anything that came out in 1:200 scale.
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Old 05-30-2010, 08:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
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None yet, still trying to get dimensions right.
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Old 06-03-2010, 01:44 AM   #9 (permalink)
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my supplier has started to build my prototype. size is 8cm by 3cm by 3cm. see picture below
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Old 06-03-2010, 05:59 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I don't think this poll will help much, the people that wouldn't buy it aren't going to bother themselves and put it on the poll.
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Old 06-04-2010, 03:02 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Hi guys,
More updates inc a video of it in prototype production, and no the guy making it isn't me. Price is going to be roughly $30-40. Cost price is about $30 exact for me per piece. I know its expensive, but its roughly cost of one airplane model. a bit expensiver since its lighted and will rotate? Just wondering how many people would buy at this price?



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Old 06-08-2010, 04:13 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Hi guys,

some more progress







does it look okay? any comments, i have told the factory to put a hole where ladder comes uptop like in reality such that a person can fit through and also to make ladder bars skinnier and more often.

any comments on production would be helpful
trying to produce a top notch product.
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:00 PM   #13 (permalink)
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It looks really cool. Just a few questions will it light up, will it rotate, and will it come painted.
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It looks really cool. Just a few questions will it light up, will it rotate, and will it come painted.
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Hi,
1. Yes it will light up, green and white. Still being developed
2. Yes it will rotate although this is causing some issues at the moment, to get a motor small enough to fit and rotate slowly is really expensive, so trying to work out a better strategy and keep cost down. Most like put a base place under it, and place motor in the base and link an axle through to the the light at the top.
3. Yes will come painted. See pictures below to see a painted product.Also the shape has been slightly corrected. Any suggestions dont hesitate to tell me.

Just taking time to produce a solid product. Will be taking suggestions soon for other products people are after.







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Old 06-18-2010, 12:19 AM   #15 (permalink)
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WAY too thick, looks like a toy and a Fischer-Price Toy Airport set piece. I wouldn't buy it unless it was $2.99
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you realise its 3cm x 3cm by 8 cm?
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you realise its 3cm x 3cm by 8 cm?
In that case, I'll take TWO at $250.00.
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In that case, I'll take TWO at $250.00.
I have no idea whether your being sarcastic or serious there dylan. But no one is forcing anyone to buy anything. Im producing it, you like it you buy, you dont then you dont buy. simple
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Atif, did you ask for people to comment on your project only if folks were going to salivate all over the final product and tell you it's the answers to all their airport prayers? Or did you ask for people's opinions? The above is mine, most will probably disagree with me but that is mine. I personally feel that the metal of the structure is a bit too thick to be in scale for 1:400/1:500/and even 1:200. If you want it to look real, it needs to be thinner. Period. Can you see my point of view? I would have said it looked ok had you not HIRED somebody to build it for you. But it doesn't look nearly as scale as the original rendering and looks like something I could pick up in the toy isle at Wal-Mart.
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Atif, did you ask for people to comment on your project only if folks were going to salivate all over the final product and tell you it's the answers to all their airport prayers? Or did you ask for people's opinions? The above is mine, most will probably disagree with me but that is mine. I personally feel that the metal of the structure is a bit too thick to be in scale for 1:400/1:500/and even 1:200. If you want it to look real, it needs to be thinner. Period. Can you see my point of view? I would have said it looked ok had you not HIRED somebody to build it for you. But it doesn't look nearly as scale as the original rendering and looks like something I could pick up in the toy isle at Wal-Mart.
No, i like comments like that. Thank you for that. It helps me build a better model. It's just hard to make it any skinnier. otherwise it will become to weak a structure. Although i will talk about this to the engineer building it. and yes i want your honest opinions. Although in the end i might not be able to listen to everybodies opinions.
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No, i like comments like that. Thank you for that. It helps me build a better model. It's just hard to make it any skinnier. otherwise it will become to weak a structure. Although i will talk about this to the engineer building it. and yes i want your honest opinions. Although in the end i might not be able to listen to everybodies opinions.
Atif, I have built multiple 1:400 scale, and even a 1:600 scale airport. I tried to be as realistic as possible, and that meant VERY small parts. So small in fact, that if you even LOOKED at it wrong, it would crinkle and fail. So it looks like you have to decide between making a shippable, durable piece....or thinning it out for realism and suffering a weak structure.

Don't mistake my criticism for being a jerk, I fully support your efforts to help fellow diorama builders make something they can be proud of, and you are putting an AWFULLY lot of your own time and energy into that....and that's a great thing. Keep on keepin' on!
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Old 06-24-2010, 04:01 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Hi guys,

Another update:
A video of the motor being worked on. due to small size of the model.
I've decided to place the motor at the base as too keep cost low, otherwise the motor required for a seamless model cost $45 us each, not to mention the model cost already. Runs of a lithium battery, one of those watch type batteries but i guess you can direct source it aswell. And dont worry i will make sure base is a rectangle base. such that you can easily cut a whole in your MDF to slot it in. motor in base rotates axle up to top which rotates light.

Oh and you can see the size of the model in the video
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Old 07-05-2010, 07:46 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Hi Guys,

Here is a painted version of the model in the new colours of Safety orange and White, plus a first video of the rotation and lights in action. Don't worry there will be a cover of green and white on the LED, such that colours are right. And currently i think the light rotates too slow. I have advised the factory to increase the speed to 1 rotation every 5 seconds? does that sound ok?




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Old 07-05-2010, 07:53 PM   #24 (permalink)
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looking at the video, I would say the speed is about right, could even be slowed up a bit actually, based on the one we have on top of the control tower at Adelaide airport, but different airports beacons probably turn at different speeds so id be quite happy with the one thats you have, thats for sure.
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looking at the video, I would say the speed is about right, could even be slowed up a bit actually, based on the one we have on top of the control tower at Adelaide airport, but different airports beacons probably turn at different speeds so id be quite happy with the one thats you have, thats for sure.
Hrmm are you sure.
I took my reference from this video in the link below, and i counted it to be 1 every 5 seconds. can anyone else shed some light on how fast it should spin.
thanks for the quick reply though. hows colour look?

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colour looks spot on mate, just perfect actually. That one's pretty fast, one at adelaide is quite a bit slower, almost half speed, guess about one rotation every 7-8 secs or so, will see if I can time it tonight, if i can see it, i live about 6kms away from the apt.
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colour looks spot on mate, just perfect actually. That one's pretty fast, one at adelaide is quite a bit slower, almost half speed, guess about one rotation every 7-8 secs or so, will see if I can time it tonight, if i can see it, i live about 6kms away from the apt.
cheers mate, that would be great if you can time it. and thanks for the help with the colours. The more info i get from people the better i can make it
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only thing I would add would be the platform at the top should be solid so the workmen dont fall through the large gaps, just really thin plastic walkway would finish it off very nicely. cant have the guy who services the light falling through the gaps hey!!! !!!
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only thing I would add would be the platform at the top should be solid so the workmen dont fall through the large gaps, just really thin plastic walkway would finish it off very nicely. cant have the guy who services the light falling through the gaps hey!!! !!!
good suggestion... but you reckon you could draw it on the top down picture in paint, colouring in the section which will be covered.and post it up for me so i truly understand what you mean.

because i dont know whether your saying that it should be fully covered by some sort of transparent plastic or just a tiny solid strip around the whole top with some mesh still there.
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Is it available for purchase? How much? I am interested in at least two.
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good suggestion... but you reckon you could draw it on the top down picture in paint, colouring in the section which will be covered.and post it up for me so i truly understand what you mean.

because i dont know whether your saying that it should be fully covered by some sort of transparent plastic or just a tiny solid strip around the whole top with some mesh still there.
If you can imagine a guy climbs the ladder up to the top section and then goes up thru the little square hole, i think it just needs a solid walkway around the base, otherwise you would fall thru the gaps, so just some thin plastic so you can walk around the 4 sides of the beacon. On similar towers I worked on you climb ladder to the servicing platform, climb through the hole, once on the platform, the hole you just climbed thru has a steel grid which closes the hole and can be walked on in safety, when you finish the job, you lift the safety grid, climb down a few rungs and lower the safety floor bit after you. the guard rail, hand rails are fine, just the foursides of the walking area need to be solid.
looking from the top down just see big gaps in the girders, so just a walkway to stand on in superfine mesh, or plastic very thin sheet.
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If you can imagine a guy climbs the ladder up to the top section and then goes up thru the little square hole, i think it just needs a solid walkway around the base, otherwise you would fall thru the gaps, so just some thin plastic so you can walk around the 4 sides of the beacon. On similar towers I worked on you climb ladder to the servicing platform, climb through the hole, once on the platform, the hole you just climbed thru has a steel grid which closes the hole and can be walked on in safety, when you finish the job, you lift the safety grid, climb down a few rungs and lower the safety floor bit after you. the guard rail, hand rails are fine, just the foursides of the walking area need to be solid.
looking from the top down just see big gaps in the girders, so just a walkway to stand on in superfine mesh, or plastic very thin sheet.
ok, i think i understand. Do you mean something like this?(excuse my dodgy paint skills). About the hinge in the gap since model is so small that might be hard to do, and although possible it probably will cause the price to rise quite a bit which i dont want to do.


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hi Mingjim, the models are currently in development phase,as you can see above. there still needs to be some work done. price is going to be roughly between $30-40USD each a bit high i know . but im trying to keep it as low as possible and to cut costs. but definitely keep an eye out on the thread.
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yep thats what i meant, but wider, full width to the guard rail, make all 4 sides the same, dont worry about the ladder hole. cover like the other 3 sides to keep it simple. so what you have done above, just full width.
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yep thats what i meant, but wider, full width to the guard rail, make all 4 sides the same, dont worry about the ladder hole. cover like the other 3 sides to keep it simple. so what you have done above, just full width.
full width? as in you cant see any of the mesh?
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full width? as in you cant see any of the mesh?
YEP, otherwise they would fall thru the gaps which would be pretty big in scale. still keep the vertical rails as is of course just all walking areas should be solid or fine mesh, safety type flooring for lack of better words. No gaps.

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YEP, otherwise they would fall thru the gaps which would be pretty big in scale. still keep the vertical rails as is of course just all walking areas should be solid or fine mesh, safety type flooring for lack of better words. No gaps.
hrmmm i think its best to put a really skinny layer of a transparent plastic then over the top, such that the texture remains below.
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Is this sample 1/400 or 1/200 scale?
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hrmmm i think its best to put a really skinny layer of a transparent plastic then over the top, such that the texture remains below.
Take a look back at the 1st comp gen pict, see how the walkway is solid. thats the look I reckon it needs.
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Is this sample 1/400 or 1/200 scale?
its 1/400, although it can also be used in 1/200 scale i guess, has the dimensions of 3cm by 3cm and 8cm tall..
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Hi guys,
I have an issue and need your help on it:
the company producing it are having trouble putting lighting and rotation in the small 1:400 model since its so tiny. therefore they have made a 1:200 model( the orange and white one). whats your opinion on what i should do. They are telling me to only make 1:200 ones ( they say they will produce at same cost as the 1:400 model), but i think a lot of people want the 1:400 model . with the 1:400 one they can do 3 options.
1. Model without light and motor
2. Model without light but with motor
3. Model with lights but without motor.

Although im still trying to find a way we can build a 1:400 model with both lights and rotation. what do you guys think?




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THAT'S SICK!!!!!!! Although I don't know if there'd be enough demand for it though... However I'd bet there would be more of a 1:400 market though even though I'm strictly 1:200. If I couldn't have both light and motor, motor would be better than just light.

Hope this works out for you, good luck!
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Are you still working on this or is it dead? IMO, for the 1:400 you should put a motor in, because when people buy it, if their good at custom airports and designing things, they could probably punch two holes in the plastic beacon and fit two LED's or something like that.
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As soon as this comes out in 1/200 ill take some!, I wonder if anyones thaughht of making an ATC Tower in 1/200?
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I think I will also buy one in 1:200.
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Amazing!!! I'm interested in the 1/200.
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Are you still working on this or is it dead? IMO, for the 1:400 you should put a motor in, because when people buy it, if their good at custom airports and designing things, they could probably punch two holes in the plastic beacon and fit two LED's or something like that.
Yes still working on it... 1:200 will rotate and light ... 1:400 i am going for the lighting option. i think it'll probably be easier for people for people to put their own motor in.. as having a rotating part and putting wiring through it can cause a tangle. top section will be free from the base and be able to rotate it by hand.

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As soon as this comes out in 1/200 ill take some!, I wonder if anyones thaughht of making an ATC Tower in 1/200?
OK thanks good to hear... and the ATC tower in 1/200 was my 2nd idea... im thinking Sydney Airport Tower.

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I think I will also buy one in 1:200.
Thanks, hopefully when i get final sampling and prototyping finished, we can start production.

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Amazing!!! I'm interested in the 1/200.
Thanks, as above, hopefully will be able to release soon.
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Wow Sydney Airport Tower is realy nice, id buy 1 in a heart beat.
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Hi Guys,

Another Update, See below the covering of the Light in the scale 1:200 model, and also a video of coloured lights rotating. Note the flashing in the video of the light. Currently working to remove the issue of the flashing.



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