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Old 11-03-2017, 03:05 AM   #1
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i was think about airbus and boeing rivalry and thought what if airbus is losing the widebody market. now first to show u what i mean lets have a look at the widebodys from both the competitors from 1990s till present and see which seems to or did dominate the market. (in my opinion lol)

757 = a340-300
767 = a340 300
now im my opinion comes the twist

a340-500 < 777-200LR
a340-600 < 777-300ER
in the above planes he 777 dominates the show and still has long to fly and live.

modern planes that are in service by airlines or are gonna be.

a350-900 < 787-9/10
a350-1000 < 777X series

now i know for a fact that the reason the - 500 did not work was because of the costs of jet A1 and it taking too much fuel compared to twins.
if u take a look on the above comparison you will see that the a340 series is now retired by most big airlines like emirates and lufthansa. now i know that i did not include the glorious a330 but that aircraft imo i cannot say its a direct competitor to any other widebody plane really.

now lets have a look at the active widebodies ( planes that are still being flown and production is still in good numbers).

airbus: a330 and the a350
boeing: 777 ( 777X as well) 787- (8,9,10)

now if we have a look at my above comparison we find that the a350 is dominated and airbus t
therefore have only one active and dominant widebody.
now i come to my conclusion. please feel free to correct me and post your opinion

thanks for reading,
bigbird , a diehard a340-600 fan
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To be honest there's not a lot in it. Looking at the figures for orders of all the aircraft you suggested there are around 1700 A330's and 900 A350's. In comparison there are about 1950 777's and 1300 787's of all variants.
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:34 AM   #3
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To be honest there's not a lot in it. Looking at the figures for orders of all the aircraft you suggested there are around 1700 A330's and 900 A350's. In comparison there are about 1950 777's and 1300 787's of all variants.
i agree with u yes. i actually meant to show what u meant not through figures but the general stuff and you basically summarized it. anyways thx for reading and good day to u

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[QUOTE=bigbird;2509385]i was think about airbus and boeing rivalry and thought what if airbus is losing the widebody market. now first to show u what i mean lets have a look at the widebodys from both the competitors from 1990s till present and see which seems to or did dominate the market. (in my opinion lol)

757 = a340-300
767 = a340 300
now im my opinion comes the twist


comparing the A340 with B757/B767 ?? I believe you better go to study your comparison again..
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:14 AM   #6
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i was think about airbus and boeing rivalry and thought what if airbus is losing the widebody market. now first to show u what i mean lets have a look at the widebodys from both the competitors from 1990s till present and see which seems to or did dominate the market. (in my opinion lol)

757 = a340-300
767 = a340 300
now im my opinion comes the twist


comparing the A340 with B757/B767 ?? I believe you better go to study your comparison again..
in my opinion it is straightforward sir
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:23 AM   #7
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Time will tell about a "winner".....

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certainly you are right and i was telling all of you what about now m8.
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I don't know why you view the 757 and 767 as equivalent to the 343. The 757 is closer to the 321, and it's a narrowbody. The 343 is also a lot heavier (roughly 25%) than a big 767. Oh and the 789 is quite a bit smaller than the 350. And that's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.

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I don't know why you view the 757 and 767 as equivalent to the 343. The 757 is closer to the 321, and it's a narrowbody. The 343 is also a lot heavier (roughly 25%) than a big 767. Oh and the 789 is quite a bit smaller than the 350. And that's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.
hmm ok you are right yes about the 757/767 but the a350 is actually a competitor for the 787 pls go right the wiki about the 350. but anyways i think i got my point of airbus losing the widebody market right anyways
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Thanks, but I don't need to go to Wiki. I fly the 789 and we're getting 350s.

As for you're main point, you may be right, you may be wrong. The real battle is about money not airframe numbers. I suspect you're right though, since the 380 programme doesn't seem to have worked out as hoped - and it cost a packet.
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Thanks, but I don't need to go to Wiki. I fly the 789 and we're getting 350s.

As for you're main point, you may be right, you may be wrong. The real battle is about money not airframe numbers. I suspect you're right though, since the 380 programme doesn't seem to have worked out as hoped - and it cost a packet.
ok fine m8. also as i dont fly even a cessna so nice work flying those big boys plus yes the a380 also did not sell great enough though it was either too costly or too big for most airlines and airports
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ok fine m8. also as i dont fly even a cessna
I reckon you should fix that.
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My gut feeling ( if thats worth much ) is that Boeing are looking at a stampede with their 787 and 777 double punch. Its going to be hard to look past their commonality and long haul ability with these two aircraft.
Personally I love the A350 and its variants but I just think Boeing are going to take the lead when everyone realises that the 777X is going to be a sure fire winner.
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My gut feeling ( if thats worth much ) is that Boeing are looking at a stampede with their 787 and 777 double punch. Its going to be hard to look past their commonality and long haul ability with these two aircraft.
Personally I love the A350 and its variants but I just think Boeing are going to take the lead when everyone realises that the 777X is going to be a sure fire winner.
the 777X is what the real threat to airbus is in my opinion plus ur right about the boeing strategy probably and the a350 is basically a new 787 but boeing have the 777X ready for that.
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i was think about airbus and boeing rivalry and thought what if airbus is losing the widebody market. now first to show u what i mean lets have a look at the widebodys from both the competitors from 1990s till present and see which seems to or did dominate the market. (in my opinion lol)

757 = a340-300
767 = a340 300
now im my opinion comes the twist

a340-500 < 777-200LR
a340-600 < 777-300ER
in the above planes he 777 dominates the show and still has long to fly and live.

modern planes that are in service by airlines or are gonna be.

a350-900 < 787-9/10
a350-1000 < 777X series

now i know for a fact that the reason the - 500 did not work was because of the costs of jet A1 and it taking too much fuel compared to twins.
if u take a look on the above comparison you will see that the a340 series is now retired by most big airlines like emirates and lufthansa. now i know that i did not include the glorious a330 but that aircraft imo i cannot say its a direct competitor to any other widebody plane really.

now lets have a look at the active widebodies ( planes that are still being flown and production is still in good numbers).

airbus: a330 and the a350
boeing: 777 ( 777X as well) 787- (8,9,10)

now if we have a look at my above comparison we find that the a350 is dominated and airbus t
therefore have only one active and dominant widebody.
now i come to my conclusion. please feel free to correct me and post your opinion

thanks for reading,
bigbird , a diehard a340-600 fan
yes the 767 and 757 are not direct competitors to the a340 btw as adour said
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