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Old 06-05-2013, 08:55 PM   #1
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I am bringing this thread as I believe that most of us agree with my follow statement.
I think it's time to Herpa stop playing this ridiculous games of Generation I, II and V, and models corrections, either in aircraft nose, registration, colours etc, and start doing what of most of manufacturers do, namely, making the model "perfect" since the model edition or launch, such as Big Bird, Net Models, Sky and Hogan and Aeroclassics do usually, I think they do this in order to increase revenue.
Not to talk the higher prices that they put on the models itself, please bear in mind that Herpa 1:500 cost and average of 2/3 USD when the model come from China. So let's do some noise and protect our lovely hobby, I recognise that that make such an amazing models but as we are in 2013 there are still some models particularly the so known short body, like 737's and A320's which some arrive perfect, like the LH ones and others arrive with those ridiculous nose and cockpit windows. Thanks for your attention
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I think your wrong I always trust Herpa for my 1:400 if needed but they're all awesome so you might be wrong when you say "I believe that most of us agree with my follow statement." Sorry but I got you there.

By the way it's: I believe that most of us agree with my following statement.

Instead of: I believe that most of us agree with my follow statement.

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Hi
thanks for the reply.
But I was meant 1:500 and not 1:400, as you know this thread is on the 1:500 discussion and not 1:400, obviously as the model get bigger the details becomes better. Well but this is opinions and I respect yours
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oh my God , you wanna teach me English, young man, look at yours:
I thing YOUR wrong....YOUR or YOU ARE. My god...no comments
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But I was meant 1:500 and not 1:400, as you know this thread is on the 1:500 discussion and not 1:400, obviously as the model get bigger the details becomes better. Well but this is opinions and I respect yours
Oh I'm sorry I didn't notice it was 1:500 but I do appreciate that you respect my opinions.

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oh my God , you wanna teach me English, young man, look at yours:
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I don't see where I'm wrong but I could be mistaken.
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OK, enough!!
We may criticize models as much as we like, or praise them, but since we are all from different parts of the world, and enjoy to share the hobby with each other, we should all realize that English (which is primarily used on this forum) is not the mother tongue of many members, so it is best to refrain from criticizing anyone's English grammar or spelling.

As to the topic at hand, since Herpa put a great deal of their production into the JC factory, their quality has gone down the toilet. Herpa has made a lot of cost cutting changes, yet, their prices are higher than ever! I have really cut back my Herpa purchases because of this, even for models I really wanted!! I refuse to collect shoddy junk!
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I dont agree to it in general, some models are really very well made....AND apart from that: WHAT is your alternative for 1:500 ??? Big Bird and StarJets, who were not too bad at all, dont produce anymore and no one covers the big scope like Herpa does....so keeping this in mind I think choices are limited.

and it is not an easy process to get each model wish done, some are even impossible....so I see also the manufacturers side as well.
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The latest stratospheric price increases by Herpa could be the death knell for 1:500 as we know it, regardless of whether the model is close to perfect or not. I honestly thought it was going to happen a year ago.
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Yesm I agree that the models are massively expensive compared to what they were in the past....but again, this is also not only seen with Herpa, but with others too. And...as long as buyers pay it.....I dont see any end to that spiral.

Manufacturing might be in China, like for most others, but the Development, Administration, Sales etc. is in Germany and that is still a high salary country (that is at least what we always here from our employers, we are too expensive)
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Thanks Aklein707
I totally agree with you, you should talk about models and NOT English lessons.
As i said I just expressed my opinion and sometimes is not the price but that funny game that they (Herpa) make with : 1st edition, 2nd edition etc, you know what I mean ???
I said and keep saying why do not launch the model when the model has all features possible with the 3rd or 4th edition ???- I just bought on eBay the B732 BA Landor colours and is perfect, why not using this very same mould for all other 737s ???
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Keep in mind that Herpa also has always a license either from the original aircraft manufacturer or the airline itself or even from both. Herpa as a german company has to deal with german an eu property and trademark law and that's of course a fact that models are so expensive. Herpa is not Phoenix, Big Bird etc., companiens that obviously do not care that much about legal issues. They produce what they want without asking the owner of legal rights.

Nevertheless since Herpa started to produce their products in the far east quality issues and delays have increased. I really do not wanna know how often releases have to be re-produced because of quality issues. That's annoying and not acceptable for the demanded price. So i switched to 1:400 because i do not support that way of running a business.
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I don't see where I'm wrong but I could be mistaken.
Yes, you're mistaken.
AK is right about the diversity of the members on this forum, and we all should have some patience for others on here.

But....since you're from the US and you opened the "can".....I will give you a lesson in grammar.

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I think your wrong I always trust Herpa for my 1:400 if needed but they're all awesome so you might be wrong when you say "I believe that most of us agree with my follow statement." Sorry but I got you there.
X"I think your wrong I always trust Herpa...."
Your- possessive pronoun, When talking about ownership of something.
i.e. "Your cat has stinky nuts."

You're- When describing someone else. i.e. "You're a turd puncher."

His mistake was merely a typo, but you completely misused the word. While I am at it, should I point out that your sentence is a run-on? Maybe you should learn to use the comma key(,) or the period key(.)
I still don't know if I understand what you meant in that statement, "if needed but they're all awesome"

Sorry but you got yourself there.

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I think your wrong I always trust Herpa for my 1:400 if needed but they're all awesome so you might be wrong when you say "I believe that most of us agree with my follow statement." Sorry but I got you there.

By the way it's: I believe that most of us agree with my following statement.

Instead of: I believe that most of us agree with my follow statement.
No Assknocker, I totally agree with you. Connection Flyer is being a D***** Bag. The originator of the topic is clearly not a 'first language' English speaker...Connection Flyer clearly understood what he said so why did he need to nit pick?

For the record I agree with the originator of this topic, Herpa's models definitely DO seem to come from different moulds, and their A320s are a case in point, You can buy two recent-release models and they can have very very different looking noses/ wing angles etc.

I think Connection Flyer needs to wind his neck in and quit with this cocky attitude ASAP.

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Absolutely correct!!!

The Herpa A319/A320/A321 of recent times, is a complete joke, and I have not bought a single one, inspite of several good subjects which I wanted. JC is unwilling to improve, and Herpa will suffer in sales!
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aklein707, Herpa has most certainly lost my business. I'm not going to waste money on something that is not consistent and is of poor or extremely variable accuracy.
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Absolutely correct!!!

The Herpa A319/A320/A321 of recent times, is a complete joke, and I have not bought a single one, inspite of several good subjects which I wanted. JC is unwilling to improve, and Herpa will suffer in sales!
Aklein707, do you think they will change it for the sharklets?
And btw, as you are the owner of Aero500, why don't you scale down your A319/320/321 1/400-mould to 1/500 scale? 1/500-scale urgently needs a narrowbody competitor to Herpa!
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I don't know if herpa models are getting better or becoming low standard. Got my cargolux 747-800 it had no CARGO DOOR lol hello. What's up with that???.
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It's called, the Johan Chan money-grab!! It's been going on for years, I've been harping on it for years, and yet, none of you seem to catch on.
Herpa moved their production to JC factory, and since then, the prices have gone up while the quality has gone down the toilet. GJ & IF suffer similarly at the whims of JC, but are helpless and hopeless to do anything about it.
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So true. I don't understand why the Germans would stand for that type of poor quality?
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Yes, you're mistaken.
AK is right about the diversity of the members on this forum, and we all should have some patience for others on here.

But....since you're from the US and you opened the "can".....I will give you a lesson in grammar.



X"I think your wrong I always trust Herpa...."
Your- possessive pronoun, When talking about ownership of something.
i.e. "Your cat has stinky nuts."

You're- When describing someone else. i.e. "You're a turd puncher."

His mistake was merely a typo, but you completely misused the word. While I am at it, should I point out that your sentence is a run-on? Maybe you should learn to use the comma key(,) or the period key(.)
I still don't know if I understand what you meant in that statement, "if needed but they're all awesome"

Sorry but you got yourself there.


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All of the whole UPS B744 batch miss the cargo door under the cockpit! I didn't buy it
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Whew! I've been off of this forum for a couple of years, living life... I've come back to a lot of bickering, it seems! C'mon guys, forget the petty language difference. My Chinese/Spanish/Japanese/Swedish/etc., is so poor as to be nil, yet I still enjoy reading the views of people from those countries. If I can understand the content of a post, then who cares if the English isn't perfect?

The bulk of my collection is Herpa. Have they REALLY gone to the dogs where quality is concerned? I had already started to buy Inflight500 models, but their range is nowhere near Herpa's. A lot of the others are poor relations when it comes to quality of modelling. Where do I go now?

I guess the best way to do this is to determine when the quality went downhill and only buy models produced before that time? Anybody care to come up with a date for that?

Let's get back on topic and forget the infighting. It's not what I came back for!
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production costs have been rising in Guangdong province in the past years. many factories have moved elsewhere, because the cost of production doesn't allow for their profit margins any more. I think that this is the main reason for the rise in HW and other 500 scale models. As high quality metal products, it is not easy for the producers of models to relocate else where, as that would compromise the quality of their final products drastically
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Most of manufacturer have technology and emotion to amend those terrible mistakes, but change or rebuild mould need financial support. Now in China we have more than 100% labor and 70-80% transport or materials costs increasing, to compare with 2007 the model price changed nothing!
If herpa still made in Germany, using the most advanced craft and the most precise mould, sold for 100 pounds (400/500 scale). How many people still interesting in Airliner model collect?
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So true...
China is indeed a great thing in this world.
Rather than complaining, i hail china and germany for taking this art to such extents, and i also apreciate the fact that so many of you are always unsatisfied w it. Keeps it going
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So if I've got this right, Herpa are still of good build and design quality, but if they find a way to improve a model, then they replace that model with a better version? Is the problem that it is still the same model number? i.e. number XXXXXX ver. 1 has no door, but XXXXXX ver. 2 has one? (An example only, I realise that there is probably no real model XXXXXX ).

If that's the case, why don't Herpa simply give a revised model a new number - XXXXXX is version 1, XXXXXY is version 2, etc., then collectors could say which model number they have and everybody would be happy!

If I've bought a model that I'm happy with, then that's it - I'm happy and wouldn't really want to re-buy it if the detail change was minor.

Anybody got any comments on this at all? (Stands well back...)
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Ouch, your post is difficult to understand, but I'll try...

It's simple: in the PAST Herpa had different item numbers for re-releases (which were less common then)
Some years ago, Herpa changed their policy and NOW re-releases keep their original item number BUT with the suffix -001/-002/... to make the difference which is usually another registration plus sometimes updated detail level (emergency exit markings, windshield wipers, position lights, etc)
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You got the meaning of my post perfectly!

So Herpa went from individual numbers to suffix numbers.

I still fail to see the problem! Why feel that one HAS to buy the latest variation? It's a free world and we can all chose what we spend our money on.

If I thought a model was a significantly improved version, I would buy one and sell the previous version to get a little money back on the whole operation.

Herpa are a company and companies usually want to make money. We are the means that they do it. Our hobby is their business. A fact of life.

I'm happy with that as long as each individual model or version is of good construction and design and isn't downgraded in either respect just to make more money than they do!

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You got the meaning of my post perfectly!

So Herpa went from individual numbers to suffix numbers.

I still fail to see the problem! Why feel that one HAS to buy the latest variation? It's a free world and we can all chose what we spend our money on.

If I thought a model was a significantly improved version, I would buy one and sell the previous version to get a little money back on the whole operation.

Herpa are a company and companies usually want to make money. We are the means that they do it. Our hobby is their business. A fact of life.

I'm happy with that as long as each individual model or version is of good construction and design and isn't downgraded in either respect just to make more money than they do!

End of sermon.
I agree with you. its good to have a suffix and formalize the different runs. For some airlines, I collect all models, so the suffix is an improvement, and other airlines, I don't collect everything, so I can pick on which I prefer to get
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I think quality will be always important for all us collectors. Herpa produced good and bad models (moulds, errors, printing...), my choice is to add to my collection good planes if possible... uhmmm maybe is for this reason that the last three planes added are two customs and a SJ sample.....

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