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Old 03-20-2011, 10:16 AM   #1
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I've always been a GJ collector, I tried a hogan 777, and I was terribly disappointed, the model and gear was terrible. I always believe that GJ is relatively the best in 1/400 scale. But I was quite pleased with Phoenix A330 last time. this time I want to try Dragon Wings China Air Force One, which is a 747-400, GJ did produce air china 747-400 but without star alliance logo which is disappointing, so I have to choose Dragon wings, but I'm concerned with its quality, can anyone who bought Dragon Wings give any comments on Dragon 747s on modeling and qualities?

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AFAIK, Dragon have one of the best 747 mould out there, unrivaled even by GJ or PH (PH's mould have some problems in the engines). But I don't know if their recent 747s are still up to that standards.
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All the B747's I have are from DW.. But I have one PH and like this modell except the nose can be better.. I donnot know about GJ.. I think if DW changes their models slighty to the standards of the models these days, they would have the best B747 mould..
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Dragon Wings have the best 744 mould, no question. It is the only manufacturer to get the 744 winglet shape and size correct, and apparently, the only manufacturer to offer a 400 scale representation of the PW engine. My only problems with Dragon Wings is that there is a little too much dihedral on the wings, and that the landing gears can be a little more detailed. Otherwise it's (almost) perfect in every respect. However, if you have a problem with plastic wings and empennage (I don't see why, though), then perhaps DW is not for you. Dragon Wings uses plastic wings and tail attached to a die cast fuselage.

If I were you, I'd go for the Dragon Wings version.
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Dragon Wings have the best 744 mould, no question. It is the only manufacturer to get the 744 winglet shape and size correct, and apparently, the only manufacturer to offer a 400 scale representation of the PW engine. My only problems with Dragon Wings is that there is a little too much dihedral on the wings, and that the landing gears can be a little more detailed. Otherwise it's (almost) perfect in every respect. However, if you have a problem with plastic wings and empennage (I don't see why, though), then perhaps DW is not for you. Dragon Wings uses plastic wings and tail attached to a die cast fuselage.

If I were you, I'd go for the Dragon Wings version.
I think the majority would agree that the Dragon Wings 747 mould comes second to the Big Bird 400 mould which is currently being used by Aviation400.
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DW is one of the few mfg that mates the right pylons with right engines.
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. My only problems with Dragon Wings is that there is a little too much dihedral on the wings, and that the landing gears can be a little more detailed. Otherwise it's (almost) perfect in every respect. .
My main gripes too, for all that they get right, the excessive dihedral and toy like landing gear are a big let down.
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I agree...the gear is not too great. Perhaps they'll get that message soon. Luckilly the wing and stabs can be oh-so-gently be adjusted to the correct dihedral/anhedral.
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DW has the best mould i Boeing 747 but my reason why I don't have DW i my collection is the plastic wings =( but i might consider though...
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Dragon Wings have the best 744 mould, no question. It is the only manufacturer to get the 744 winglet shape and size correct, and apparently, the only manufacturer to offer a 400 scale representation of the PW engine. My only problems with Dragon Wings is that there is a little too much dihedral on the wings, and that the landing gears can be a little more detailed. Otherwise it's (almost) perfect in every respect. However, if you have a problem with plastic wings and empennage (I don't see why, though), then perhaps DW is not for you. Dragon Wings uses plastic wings and tail attached to a die cast fuselage.

If I were you, I'd go for the Dragon Wings version.
How is DW's landing gear compared to GJ's?

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How is DW's landing gear compared to GJ's?
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Perhaps with the 747-8 pax roll out scheme..if they make one, will have a bump up in the gear quality dept and some relaxed wingtips~
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I think the majority would agree that the Dragon Wings 747 mould comes second to the Big Bird 400 mould which is currently being used by Aviation400.
Perhaps In Popularity Because Of The Metal Wings, But As Far As Accuracy, The DW 744 Blows Away The Big Bird.
The 742 Is Debateable. Both Have Plusses, Both Have Flaws.
Since When Did AV-400 Start Using The Big Bird Moulds?
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Since When Did AV-400 Start Using The Big Bird Moulds?
I don't think that's the case. I think the last time we saw the BigBird 747 and 767 moulds when they were used for the Blue Angle releases.
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Perhaps In Popularity Because Of The Metal Wings, But As Far As Accuracy, The DW 744 Blows Away The Big Bird.
The 742 Is Debateable. Both Have Plusses, Both Have Flaws.
Since When Did AV-400 Start Using The Big Bird Moulds?
I think the use of the term 'blow away' is misleading because the Big Bird 744 is pretty damn good. Perhaps the winglet isn't quite as nicely shaped and sized as the DW, and perhaps DW would be a better choice for PW equipped 744s, but Big Bird has the better (correct) dihedral angle for the wings, and its landing gears are significantly better than DWs.

It's a close call, but since Big Bird doesn't exist anymore, the manufacturer with the best 744s is Dragon.
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DW is one of the few mfg that mates the right pylons with right engines.
You said it.
The older DW 747s are the best.
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I think the use of the term 'blow away' is misleading because the Big Bird 744 is pretty damn good. Perhaps the winglet isn't quite as nicely shaped and sized as the DW, and perhaps DW would be a better choice for PW equipped 744s, but Big Bird has the better (correct) dihedral angle for the wings, and its landing gears are significantly better than DWs.

It's a close call, but since Big Bird doesn't exist anymore, the manufacturer with the best 744s is Dragon.
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Obviously You Haven't Been Following The Numerous Threads With Pictures.
I did, actually. I just disagree with your findings.

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the Big Bird Gear Is slightly Better, But Only Slightly. Not An Issue.
Slightly? You call that slightly? Big Bird's landing gear is miles ahead of Dragon's. And, to me, that is an issue.

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Note On The Nose Just Above And Slightly Forward Of The First Passenger Window. There Is A Bit Of A Bulbous "Hump> Noticed By Many Ecclectic Collectors But Not Mention Often.
Also The DW Upper Deck On The 744 Is The Correct Length/Height. The Big Bird Upper Deck Falls Short. Lastly And One Of The Most Important Differences: No Wing/Fuselage Seam On DW.
Point taken. A definite plus to DW there.

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Note Also The Funny Cockpit On This Particular Example.
Keyword: "This Particular Example." I have a Big Bird CX 742 with better windows than that.

How is that cockpit window any more 'funny' than, say, this?
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...view-6223.html
I would've bought this model had it not been for the cockpit window being printed too high, as well as both window lines. I have seen this model in the flesh, and its flaws aren't confined to one model.

Look, on the whole, I don't disagree that DW has the best 747 mould, but DW isn't miles better than the BB. Highlighting BB's flaws without mentioning DW's seem a little biased. Both have their flaws, both have their strengths. Things like cockpit windows and window lines are variable with both BigBird and Dragon. As far as 747s with the stretched upper deck goes, DW have the better fuselage shape, but when it comes to 747s with short upper decks, I call it a draw with the fuselage shape.

In summary:

Pros:
DW has better winglets, a seamless wing to fuselage joint, better fuselage shape on streched upper deck variants and better vertical tailplane. DW also offers the correct PW engines on 747s so equipped.

BB has (much) better landing gears, and a better wing dihedral angle, and the fuselage shape on their short upper deck 747s are as good as anyone's.

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DW's landing gears are shocking. It also has far too much dihedral angle on the wings. A real 747 has very little, unless it was in flight and the wing tanks are empty.


BB's vertical tailplane is off, and not as good as DWs. It also has a wing join seam whereas the DW doesn't. Stretched upper deck variants doesn't quite have the correct upper deck shape.
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Since When Did AV-400 Start Using The Big Bird Moulds?

Since they acquired them. They updated the mould by perfecting the wing / fuselage joint as well. The 200's really look fantastic!
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Though the DWs is not the best ,however the Big Bird 744 sucked.
IMHO, DWs "has" got the BEST mould of MD-11s/DC-10 series, A345/346, B747 series, B737 series, which is much much better than GJ(BB is out)!
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I'd like to see DW tackle the HI A330-200. I picked up the Mexicana just for the scheme.... And that's about all it's good for. The engines are literally a constant barrel shape w/o any back taper and the cockpit profile looks just strange.
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Since they acquired them. They updated the mould by perfecting the wing / fuselage joint as well. The 200's really look fantastic!
Then Show Me, Because I Own One Of Thier 742s And The Upper Deck Is Hideous. There's An Indentation On The Upper Decks Of All Their Moulds.
I Don't Think You Can Update The Wing/Fuselage To Be Seamless Unless Putty Is Used. But Even Then You'd Prolly Notice Something Off.
You'd Need To Start Both Mould From Scratch.
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Since they acquired them. They updated the mould by perfecting the wing / fuselage joint as well. The 200's really look fantastic!
The wing/fuse joint is a completely different design concept from the BB version, and the rolling gear is pretty crude compared to BB's rarther effective fixed wheel version. I'd say BB made a better 742 than AV400, judging from my own examples of both.
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