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Old 08-23-2010, 07:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys,

Just wondering what model would you guys like manufacturers to make next in 1:400, i.e a model that currently doesnt have a mould.

For me it would be an ATR-42-500 or an ERJ 190

what do you guys think?

And what do you guys think will be the next profitable model? i.e has a variety of carriers that lots of people would like
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ERJ-170 along with your ERJ-190 and Md-80 like Delta, American, etc.
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md-80, i thought they already have a mould for that... and yeh the whole ERJ family is nice.
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I have a list...

Tu-114 (Only few liveries but a spectacular machine that should sell like an An-225!)

Tu-134 (Many possible liveries, moulding possibly complicated by glass & solid nose variants.)

E-170 (Herpa just doesn't use theirs, possibly an 'averaged' fuselage length with E-175 will allow for maximum livery possibilities.)

E-190 (Again possibly an 'averaged' fuselage with the E-195 might work or simply print E-195 liveries onto the E-190 mould. Many liveries available. Gemini are apparently working on this.)

A318 (Dragon mould is old & not used any more, Herpa don't use theirs either. Not many carriers but Air France, Frontier and British Airways should sell well.)

A340-200 (Dragon & Herpa moulds are old and not used any more. A new accurate mould would be good. Reasonable number of carriers despite only a few aircraft being built. Air France, Cathay Pacific, Lufthansa and South African should be safe sellers with quite a few other popular carriers possible.)

B767-400 (Dragon mould not used much. Admittedly not many liveries possible, but needed for completeness. Should be a popular seller in USA at least.

ATR-42 (Many liveries possible. Use different propellers for different generations.)

ATR-72 (As above, with more regionals being released today - Herald, Hs.748, Saab 340, Shorts 360, Dash-8 of various types the ATR is definitely missing.)

Ummmm. That's about it for now.
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I have a list...

Tu-114 (Only few liveries but a spectacular machine that should sell like an An-225!)

Tu-134 (Many possible liveries, moulding possibly complicated by glass & solid nose variants.)

E-170 (Herpa just doesn't use theirs, possibly an 'averaged' fuselage length with E-175 will allow for maximum livery possibilities.)

E-190 (Again possibly an 'averaged' fuselage with the E-195 might work or simply print E-195 liveries onto the E-190 mould. Many liveries available. Gemini are apparently working on this.)

A318 (Dragon mould is old & not used any more, Herpa don't use theirs either. Not many carriers but Air France, Frontier and British Airways should sell well.)

A340-200 (Dragon & Herpa moulds are old and not used any more. A new accurate mould would be good. Reasonable number of carriers despite only a few aircraft being built. Air France, Cathay Pacific, Lufthansa and South African should be safe sellers with quite a few other popular carriers possible.)

B767-400 (Dragon mould not used much. Admittedly not many liveries possible, but needed for completeness. Should be a popular seller in USA at least.

ATR-42 (Many liveries possible. Use different propellers for different generations.)

ATR-72 (As above, with more regionals being released today - Herald, Hs.748, Saab 340, Shorts 360, Dash-8 of various types the ATR is definitely missing.)

Ummmm. That's about it for now.




Wow, what a great list and great insight into exactly what i was looking for. Definitely back you on the Russian jets, not many models of those. What about the Sukjoi Superjet 100?

im asking this because im currently talking with a manufacturer out of china, who might be able to make planes for me.
They already have moulds for the normal planes such as airbus or boeing, so developing a plane model on your normal planes can be pretty cheap as they dont need to make a mould, only design a new livery, any ideas on such liveries or airlines missing that people would want.
Designing a new model-mould they have told me cost between 15-20k. :S huge when your 21
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Yes count me i for the Sukkhoi 100. ANd also any and all Embraer 190 series. Is there a mould for the Dornier Fairchild 328 and 328jet?
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Yes count me i for the Sukkhoi 100. ANd also any and all Embraer 190 series. Is there a mould for the Dornier Fairchild 328 and 328jet?
I dont think there has been one. since there arent many operators. Are most run in the alps ? good model, i can see it would be easy to change between a prop version of the model and a jet version
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Commissioning molds for aircraft which aren't even in production yet? Foolhardy.

The E-jets would be quite popular, and Gemini has said they're on it. I don't know why Herpa doesn't do more there.
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Md-80,82,83,88,90
a-318
erj-135,140,145,170,175,190,195
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Commissioning molds for aircraft which aren't even in production yet? Foolhardy.

The E-jets would be quite popular, and Gemini has said they're on it. I don't know why Herpa doesn't do more there.
, yeh i know, wish qantas could buy some sukhoi, would love to see how they look in that plane. and goooooooooooo gemni...

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i think theres already a mould for 737-100, i saw a model with original boieng house colours in a shop once
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I hope any good manufacturer release the Embraer regional jets moulds soon... there's lots of possible liveries, including some main airlines!
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I hope any good manufacturer release the Embraer regional jets moulds soon... there's lots of possible liveries, including some main airlines!
i know herpa have already released in 1:500, so why cant somebody just make it in 1:400 grrr. if only i had 30k capital... sadly im only at 15k yet...
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i know herpa have already released in 1:500, so why cant somebody just make it in 1:400 grrr. if only i had 30k capital... sadly im only at 15k yet...
Herpa did the 170 in :400, but i think you know that, from what you said above.
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Herpa did the 170 in :400, but i think you know that, from what you said above.
Did they !!!!!! No i didnt know, what liveries?
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Did they !!!!!! No i didnt know, what liveries?
Shuttle America. one as United Express, blue/white livery. one as Delta Connection, wavy livery.

Waffle still has the United one in stock.
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... im not a fan of american airlines... delta is ok... Love air canada though... wish they made the canada erj or Virgin blue
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... im not a fan of american airlines... delta is ok... Love air canada though... wish they made the canada erj or Virgin blue
Might be worth asking Herpa directly, why don't they make more use of that mold?
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Might be worth asking Herpa directly, why don't they make more use of that mold?
Done, Find below the email i just sent to 3 high level managers at Herpa.

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Dear Herpa,

It has come as a great delight to the Diecast model plane collection community, that Herpa have
recently decided to build a mould of the ERJ170 in both scale 1:500 and 1:400. We would greatly like to thank you,
for making our hobby so enjoyable and providing us with such great collectible planes.

However we as a community would like to ask you, why isn稚 Herpa maximizing the utility of its new Moulds,
with there being only 2 Liveries currently in stock. Why doesn稚 Herpa provide more liveries, as there are many main
stream airlines that can be applied to these moulds to make best sellers, e.g. such as Air Canada ERJ痴 and Virgin
Blue.

We as a community will be nervously waiting for your response.


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E-190 (Again possibly an 'averaged' fuselage with the E-195 might work or simply print E-195 liveries onto the E-190 mould. Many liveries available. Gemini are apparently working on this.)


Ummmm. That's about it for now.
Sorry , nothing personal, but the idea of an averaged fuselage sounds to mee as much as ridiculous as having a A321 livery painted on an A320 mould....
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In 1:400 scale;
E-170 is 74.75mm
E-175 is 79.125mm
A difference of 4.375mm

E-190 is 90.6mm
E-195 is 96.6mm
A difference of 6mm

Bearing in mind that it costs money to make moulds from scratch and that as there are not a large number of E-175 or E-195 customers a manufacturer may not consider it to be cost effective to cater for the E-175/195s as separate moulds.

Indeed, manufacturers have taken this averaging approach in the past and the collectorate has apparently lived with it. Examples: Comet 4/4B/4C, Convair 240/340/440 (non-radar), and likely the DC-6/6B for starters.

Sliding mould technology has been mentioned and while this would solve all the problems in a stroke it is my understanding that a sliding mould is considerably more expensive than a fixed one.

Whether or not fudging the length differences outlined above is acceptable to the collectorate or not is another matter. I personally think it is 'stretching' things too far. Unfortunately the manufacturers though are not in the game of throwing money away. The fact that there are fewer liveries available for the E-175 & E-195 may mean that they are not willing to take the risk of dedicated moulds initially and may consider 'fudging' things.

The E-170 and E-190 are a much safer starting bet and I expect we will see them from Gemini in the not too distant future.

Nice little sarcastic remark about the A320/321 BTW. Nothing personal, but did I offend your precious national pride by 'picking' on the E-Jets?
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~4mm is the difference between the DC-8-50 and DC-8-60, DC-9-30 and DC-9-40, 737-100 and 737-200. All of which got their own molds. And with how small the E-jet family is, it'd be even more noticeable.
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~4mm is the difference between the DC-8-50 and DC-8-60, DC-9-30 and DC-9-40, 737-100 and 737-200. All of which got their own molds. And with how small the E-jet family is, it'd be even more noticeable.
True enough. I guess we'll only know the answer when a manufacturer actually comes up with the moulds. Or rather, when the first E-175 or 195 livery is released.
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Good discussion, im also one for exact measurements, i dont like averaging.
I got a reply from Herpa, See below.

Dear Mr. Chaudhry,

Thank you for your email and your input. It is always good to hear opinions / suggestions from our customers.

There are many influences on the useage of molds and compilation of new releases, such as airline permission/approvals, airline/airframe manufacturer orders, market demand - just to name a few. Therefore some models are produced more often than others. We had in the past produced quite a few ERJ-170s in the 1/500 scale, in the 1/400 scale however, as you have noticed, not many at all. We have in 1/500 more tendered towards the larger ERJ-190, which has been warmly welcomed by our collectors.

The ERJ-170 in 1/400 came at a time in which we were rethinking our committment to the 1/400 scale market due to lower overall demand for the scale. We will always concentrate more on our two main pillars: the 1/500 and 1/200 scales.

However, this does not mean that we will not be adding certain special "accents" here and there to the 1/400 scale community. With the recent announcement of the AN-225 in this scale, I think we have reached the wishes of quite some 1/400 scale collector. We will in the future also add similar "accents" here and there in 1/400 from existing tooling.

Such is also our plan for the ERJ-170. Any and all suggestions what would be on top of everyone's wishlist for an ERJ-170 in 1/400 are more than welcome and only help us in producing what collectors would like to have. Certain restrictions of course might apply (such as the airline granting permission), but the more feedback we get, the better the picture we achieve.

Thanks again for writing in and for your thoughts on the current situation, and, in advance also for future suggestions.

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Nothing personal, but did I offend your precious national pride by 'picking' on the E-Jets?
No.... it is just my opinion.... no matter if it is an Embraer.....
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I'm happy to see these planes finally released in 1/400.

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I also like the new AN-180.

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Hmmm... I'd say A318, E170, E175 and E190.
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For me it would probably be a Trident 1C in BEA speedjack colours (Preferably G-ARPR )
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ERJ-135- American Eagle and many other options
ERJ-145XR- Delta Connection and Continental Express would be a few good options
ERJ-170- Midwest, LOT, BA, lots of schemes
ERJ-190- JETBLUE!, FlyBe, AirCanada, Copa, many many good schemes
MD-80- AA, Delta, Aeromexico, Alaska...
MD-90- DELTA
ATR-72- American Eagle many regionals
Airbus A318- BA, AirFrance, LAN
Boeing 767-400WL- Delta

There are many moulds that would be extremely good sellers with certain airlines, but then after they were produced possibly go to waste. Then others that may never really be good sellers no matter what color scheme you paint it in. Some have promising potential, and others not so much....
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I would also like to see a Q300..! The others are ATR-42, -72, E-175, -190, -195, ERJ-135, -140 as far as new moulds are concerned..
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