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Old 05-18-2010, 02:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This is what I got..........what a waste.



Wings up high in the air. Butt low to the ground as if a fat lady sitting in the back.


Flat tyre?


Title too close to windows. The other side was okay.


Wings fell off when I held it by the wings.

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Paint chip here and there.




I re-glued the wings..............


..................and lined it up to the best that I could.


After the repair, I wiped down the plane and paint chipped.

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Well, if I sold it to you then I will send you a replacement which will of course be completely checked out first.
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Sorry to see another abortion hit the streets Taki.
And to think I was considering buying this one too.
How does one say "EPIC FAIL"?!

Makes me laugh my arssse off that people criticise other manufacturers. C&C, Magic, BBx can and do produce better quality products than this.

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sort of the same problem I had with the wings and stabilizers both were off when I opened the box,sent it back to my retailer and they send me a replacement now I need to check for paint chips
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Well, if I sold it to you then I will send you a replacement which will of course be completely checked out first.
Thats some A class retailing right there, however this as was the TAP A340 is made by Phoenix for GJ to release under their brand, this also happened to my DHL 767W and several other peoples (wings falling off) so therefore its a known problem with this mould. Now perhaps GJ should stop using the Phoenix factory as for whatever reason the models coming out of there for them....perhaps not Phoenix themselves.... are coming out on the whole in not great condition. Anyone got the ANZ 763w and if so did its wings fall off? and if not might be worth seeing if the same problem is apparent with the LAN releases this month.
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What's weird about that whole Phoenix/Gemini situation is that Phoenix themselves only released one 767W model with a second one coming out in the next release. If it is Phoenix owns the mould and is doing this for Gemini, why have they only released so few?

And if it is Phoenix doing this for Gemini, not a good reflection upon their usually reliable QC team.
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[QUOTE=Ryanairflyer;796409]Thats some A class retailing right there, QUOTE]

That's why he is ranked so highly amongst the collectorate for showing others how to do it right!
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If it is Phoenix owns the mould and is doing this for Gemini, why have they only released so few?
I'll take a stab: Phoenix releases mostly Asian liveries and not many airlines fly the 767 in Asia, not alone the wingletted version?
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Anyone got the ANZ 763w and if so did its wings fall off? and if not might be worth seeing if the same problem is apparent with the LAN releases this month.
I have the ANZ 763W and the wings are very firmly attached..No problems with this model except for the wrong colours that PHX had used on the tail.
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I'll take a stab: Phoenix releases mostly Asian liveries and not many airlines fly the 767 in Asia, not alone the wingletted version?
Good point.

But then, why would Phoenix invest in a new mould for the 767W wings if they're not going to use it themselves. Specially since they're business decisions are driven by what would sell. Maybe making this new mould just for the wings doesn't cost as much as making a new mould for the entire aircraft. Only the model makers know.
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Good point.

But then, why would Phoenix invest in a new mould for the 767W wings if they're not going to use it themselves. Specially since they're business decisions are driven by what would sell. Maybe making this new mould just for the wings doesn't cost as much as making a new mould for the entire aircraft. Only the model makers know.
My guess is that it was a joint investment between the two manufacturers.
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Sorry to see another abortion hit the streets Taki.
And to think I was considering buying this one too.
How does one say "EPIC FAIL"?!

Makes me laugh my arssse off that people criticise other manufacturers. C&C, Magic, BBx can and do produce better quality products than this.

Indeed. See the example of the TAP A343 just released and with plenty of pics here in this forum.
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I too opened the box on the DHL 767-300WL to find the wings had come loose.

Very poor QC from a company that used to be so much better.

Would dearly like to know what has happened to their QC in the last 12 months.

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Indeed. See the example of the TAP A343 just released and with plenty of pics here in this forum.
My TAP 343 is due to arrive tomorrow Otavio and if it's like what I've seen so far it will be the fastest aviation turn-around in history and straight back to the retailer.
It pissesss me off really because unfortunately Nick will be the guy the model heads back to, it's not his fault and he is left having to deal with a company that from their total silence gives the impression they don't give a damn.
They certainly won't be getting my money in future.

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I too opened the box on the DHL 767-300WL to find the wings had come loose.

Very poor QC from a company that used to be so much better.

Would dearly like to know what has happened to their QC in the last 12 months.

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Old 05-18-2010, 09:34 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Mine was in great shape, but I'm not the type to criticize every little scratch from 4 inches away. Not offense to anyone who does, just not to worried about it. I actually like the wings, as if they're in flight instead of on the ground loaded with gas. Again, no problems. Now the Hawaiian A330 I just received, thats another story. Paint not in the best shape, missing a tire, and crooked. Very unfortunate.
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Don't want to sound rude, but why on earth would you pick your model up by the wings? I would think the last thing you would do is that. Personally I never hold my models by their wings.
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Don't want to sound rude, but why on earth would you pick your model up by the wings? I would think the last thing you would do is that. Personally I never hold my models by their wings.
I didnt i just tried taking it out the box....it came out minus its wings! trust me it doesnt take much!
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Are those Matchbox car tires they used on the nose gear? They're friggin huge
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Don't want to sound rude, but why on earth would you pick your model up by the wings? I would think the last thing you would do is that. Personally I never hold my models by their wings.
I do it only this way!

When I pick up heavy models (1:200 or 1:400 wide bodies) I use both wings at the same time and touch the model's wings at the leading and rear edge close to the fuselage. If it's a small body one hand is enough.

I think it will be easier to refresh the paint job on the wings' edges (if necessary at all) instead of fading windows or special liveries. The fuselage is a "NO STEP" area or rather "DON'T TOUCH" area.
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Don't want to sound rude, but why on earth would you pick your model up by the wings? I would think the last thing you would do is that. Personally I never hold my models by their wings.
Using my own glue, I can do this.


Normally, I do not pick up planes by their wings but this one had its wings attached high up in the air telling me to do so.
The point is the wings should not come off........and should be attached in the correct manner.


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Sorry to see another abortion hit the streets Taki.
And to think I was considering buying this one too.
How does one say "EPIC FAIL"?!

Makes me laugh my arssse off that people criticise other manufacturers. C&C, Magic, BBx can and do produce better quality products than this.
This was my last GJ for me. I cannot afford to flush $30 each time I pick up GJ. I didn't even bother to pre-order Hawaiian A330 that I was looking forward to.
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Don't want to sound rude, but why on earth would you pick your model up by the wings? I would think the last thing you would do is that. Personally I never hold my models by their wings.
If they are glued in properly then it should be perfectly safe according to my experience handling thousands and thousands of these over the years by the wings.

Truth is that the factorys of several manufacturers (ie the Aeroclassics debacle last year) have been caught before using inferior glue, and for some reason this situation has once again reared its ugly head, and i have been informed that it will be addressed. And believe me, I will be checking that exact issue more so here.

As I mentioned elsewhere on DAC, there are going to be bad apples (some more, some less) amongst the manufacturers. Once the models leave the factory then the only line of defense left is the retailers. Am I going to spend 1 minute on each model poking, proding, and twisting the parts to see what might come loose? No, but I will take a cursory look at every single model for obvious issues, and also a close look at several examples of each release (especially the ones leaving the U.S.) to check for any possible problem pattern.

The bottom line is if you receive a POS model then your retailer needs to make it good if at all possible. Please take a minute to read your retailers order/model return policy page to make sure you understand what they will, and will not, do for you in these cases.
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It depends on workers not the company. One day a worker can make a perfect model and another day he can make a rubbish, if he for example had a quarrel with his wife the day before. The factory will sell these subordinate models (like american subordinate mortgage) to retailers with a very low price. Then the retailers repackage them, describe them perfectly (like Goldman Sachs)and sell them with normal price. So it's the retailer to blame for actually.

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It depends on workers not the company. One day a worker can make a perfect model and another day he can make a rubbish, if he for example had a quarrel with his wife the day before. The factory will sell these subordinate models (like american subordinate mortgage) to retailers with a very low price. Then the retailers repackage them, describe them perfectly (like Goldman Sachs)and sell them with normal price. So it's the retailer to blame for actually.
I understand your first point and thats very true, the rest isnt. the retailers get what they are given from the distributor who gets what he's given from the factory. In Gj's case the releases are already announced once they are in the crate from the factory so they have no choice but to send out an inferior model or more likely a batch that contains some...if they know before it hits the retailers or hold the model already announced causing retailers huge problems with pre-orders and dissapointed customers. The problem lies at the factory where the manager should be telling the worker no matter whats happened do it to a minimum standard and thus quality control is enforced, if upon checking a sample some are poor then the worker should be disiplined in some form
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It depends on workers not the company. One day a worker can make a perfect model and another day he can make a rubbish, if he for example had a quarrel with his wife the day before. The factory will sell these subordinate models (like american subordinate mortgage) to retailers with a very low price. Then the retailers repackage them, describe them perfectly (like Goldman Sachs)and sell them with normal price. So it's the retailer to blame for actually.
There is no way you can blame the retailer for substandard workmanship from the factory.
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No way, issue is in the hands of the manufacturer. This thread, another example that unacceptable flaws are becoming the norm from Gemini.
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For what it is worth, mine is perfect.

But GJ has had printing issues for years as well as manufacturing issues. Trident BA, United Dc-8-70, Tower Air 747, all Trident 2's, most older DC-10's- all of these have printing issues, either by accident or by default (cockpit windows too high on the DC-10's). All Trident 2's have a mould deficiency, as do 727's.

This entire hobby is overpriced for the quality that comes out from the factory. That is why I am reverting to making my own models again. That way I am to blame for mismatched paint, crooked wings........
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For what it is worth, mine is perfect.

But GJ has had printing issues for years as well as manufacturing issues. Trident BA, United Dc-8-70, Tower Air 747, all Trident 2's, most older DC-10's- all of these have printing issues, either by accident or by default (cockpit windows too high on the DC-10's). All Trident 2's have a mould deficiency, as do 727's.

This entire hobby is overpriced for the quality that comes out from the factory. That is why I am reverting to making my own models again. That way I am to blame for mismatched paint, crooked wings........
Good point. Overvalued,overpriced. My girlfriend still regards them as expensive toys.
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It depends on workers not the company. One day a worker can make a perfect model and another day he can make a rubbish, if he for example had a quarrel with his wife the day before. The factory will sell these subordinate models (like american subordinate mortgage) to retailers with a very low price. Then the retailers repackage them, describe them perfectly (like Goldman Sachs)and sell them with normal price. So it's the retailer to blame for actually.
Hope no Boeing´s / Airbus´or Embraer´s plant employees has fight with their wifes.....
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... My girlfriend still regards them as expensive toys.
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This entire hobby is overpriced for the quality that comes out from the factory. That is why I am reverting to making my own models again. That way I am to blame for mismatched paint, crooked wings........
Exactly. I have turned to having custom models made. I only wish the models were sold blank. There are plenty of talented individuals who can make better models than the manufacturers.
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Just like many of you, every time I take a model out of the cradle to inspect them, I grab them by the body and never by the wings...I learned that the hard way...just like ANA Mohican, I had a mishap with my DHL 767w...and my AF A380 both GJ models. As soon as I took them out of the cradle, the wings fell off...I was a bit upset but I took my time and was able to glue everything back into place.
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Perhaps this company could include a tube of glue and some paint pots with their models in future.
If my TAP343 turns up on the doorstep this arvo as planned, I'll post some pics.
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The factory will sell these subordinate models (like american subordinate mortgage) to retailers with a very low price. Then the retailers repackage them, describe them perfectly (like Goldman Sachs)and sell them with normal price. So it's the retailer to blame for actually.
I'm not sure which retailers you have experience with... but you are completely off base in regards to most of the retailers that I have dealt with, and most that frequent this forum.
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The factory will sell these subordinate models (like american subordinate mortgage) to retailers with a very low price. Then the retailers repackage them, describe them perfectly (like Goldman Sachs)and sell them with normal price. So it's the retailer to blame for actually.
Sorry to hear that is how it works in China. Doesn't work that way in the U.S.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:12 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Sorry to hear that is how it works in China. Doesn't work that way in the U.S.
Doesn't work that way in China either.
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Old 05-20-2010, 11:27 PM   #39 (permalink)
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While I feel for your bad luck with this piece, get a replacement sent out to you and enjoy the 76(w). Also, don't worry about the HA 330. This is the sample that I got in March, and it looks great!

I'm adding pictures now since the model has been released, and is also available direct from Hawaiian.
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Looks like I'll be adding that A330 to my collection of Hawaiians.
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those are some cool pictures! thanks!
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