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Old 06-11-2014, 11:22 PM   #351 (permalink)
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Quoting a post from 6 years ago and you expect a response?

Oh my........
Why not? People have been posting on this topic since yesterday, including yourself
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One of my BB 744 has got some boils near the nose , what should i do , store or display it??
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I think you should junk it.

I am probably gonna sell these models away at a token sum.
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My GJ TWA 741 in the final colors has some paint bubbling... I'll be watching it closely
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Diecast Car Forums - I came across some information on Wikepedia about the dreaded disintegration of our – Diecast Zone

This link is very informative and even explains the difference between ZAMAK and MAZAK. I had thought that Mazak was just the Brits spelling of Zamak but it turns out that Mazak was lower purity !
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My GJ TWA 741 in the final colors has some paint bubbling... I'll be watching it closely
Take some photos and post them.
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Old 11-03-2015, 02:37 PM   #357 (permalink)
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Sadly, I must report these two models to the zinc rot list:

SMA Continental Airlines 737-222 reg N10236 (blue tail paint scheme) (model made 2003)
Blue Box Jordan Aviation L-1011 reg JY-JOE (model made 2007)

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I happen to have the Continental 737 too, now I'm gonna keep a close eye on it...
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That's too bad Jim.

That particular SMA Continental model had been added to the list a while back right? I've been keeping an eye on this thread just to avoid any disappointments down the road.
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It may have been, Canopy. I didn't have time to scroll through eight pages of entries today, so I figure I'd just post my two recent unhappy acquisitions. I probably should scroll through the list soon. Amazingly, at almost 500 models, I have had maybe five zinc rot zombies.

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Old 11-04-2015, 02:39 AM   #361 (permalink)
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Maybe I'm wrong but I have the impression that most of the airplanes affected are airliners (not military like jets and Second World War from HM, CW, Corgi, ...). Is that correct ? That will reduce the number of models I have to check.
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Correct, seems to be a 1/400 airliner issue. None of my larger scale military aircraft have any issue.
Best to keep your suspect models away for the rest of your collect, to prevent the chances of zinc rot cross infection
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Old 11-04-2015, 11:20 AM   #363 (permalink)
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My Delta 717 has succumbed to zinc-rot. the tail is chipping and warping so the horizontal stabilizer is no longer level :'(
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Yow...*another* recent Gemini Delta with zinc rot? What's going on? I twice have thought about buying a Delta 717 at a collection sale, but am going to hold off.

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Which Delta 717 release is this? Is it the first or second? Looks like I'll have to check my collection once again...
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Old 11-05-2015, 10:36 AM   #366 (permalink)
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It's the most recent one released in May I think it was?
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Buying model plane is just like buying a car. It can not be perfect. If a model plane make it near perfect. A $35.00 plane might cost you $350.00 to over $700.00.
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The zinc alloy raw material is either contaminated at the zinc alloy supplier end of the chain or at the factory at the point of the melting pot.

The factory could be melting down rejected castings with print/paint faults to save money. If this is the case, there maybe a contaminating element in the print ink or paint.

I have been buying Atlas repro Dinky Toys made in China for the last 3 years. I have 150 pieces now, and know many people collecting these all over the world. No problems so far. In fact, they are "perfect" ! Cost with postage £17 ($27).

It can be done.
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Old 11-06-2015, 11:59 AM   #369 (permalink)
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tracy 1947, please allow me to disagree.

As pointed out in another thread, the material and technology to produce near-perfect models exists.
Graham is right, @ this point the will to manufacture such needs to corroborate.

R/E the price, I for one will be willing to pay dirt cheap money for models with dirt potential, just to flip the argument.
$35.00/ $40.00 is quite enough [x how many per collection] for a product which at the very least ought to last a generation, or two, or three !
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I have (hopefully) only 1 airplane (at the moment) that is infected: a small one of ModelPower: Casa C101 scale 1:100 ...
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Just detected the rot on vertical stabiliser on a Gemini A380 GJMAS1104
Model made in 2012
Looks like still problems with poor metal. First I have seen in an A380 model ????
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Just detected the rot on vertical stabiliser on a Gemini A380 GJMAS1104
Model made in 2012
Looks like still problems with poor metal. First I have seen in an A380 model ????
See, now that scares me. I don't have any A380's but several 747s from that period from both GJ and JCWs. Would you care to take a pic or two for us?
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Another one ...
Franklin Mint / Collection Armoir Stuka Ju-87 number B11B263. When rearranging my models, I noticed a lot of cracks in the underside of the wing ...
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Another one ...
Franklin Mint / Collection Armoir Stuka Ju-87 number B11B263. When rearranging my models, I noticed a lot of cracks in the underside of the wing ...
oh dear....the rot has taken root in military models too! no manufacturer is safe these days... not even the uber expensive king of military diecast jets, century wings!
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Just detected the rot on vertical stabiliser on a Gemini A380 GJMAS1104
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Looks like still problems with poor metal. First I have seen in an A380 model ????
Gemini / ADI withheld the release of the Malaysia A380 models due to paint flaking upon arrival from the factory. Some were sold at reduced prices as damaged goods. Are you sure yours isn't marked as damaged on the box?
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Gemini / ADI withheld the release of the Malaysia A380 models due to paint flaking upon arrival from the factory. Some were sold at reduced prices as damaged goods. Are you sure yours isn't marked as damaged on the box?
isn't flaking paint like a health hazard?
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Many models made by Magic suffer zinc rot.
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perhaps we should all trust they really use platinum in the platinum series.
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perhaps we should all trust they really use platinum in the platinum series.
hey wait, what??? better check your transporter, fongee... i think you've been beamed into the wrong thread.
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platinum do not rot right? platinum series should be made by platinum right?
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wrong thread, dude. platinum discussion in the other thread.
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Looks like I might have a new one to add to the list here. I couldn't recall hearing of this one, but it looks like the 1:400 GJ US Airways 767-200 in 2005 colors is another victim of zinc rot. I just took mine out of the box last night for the first time in a few years and noticed the telltale signs of zinc rot just starting to show on the wings. The left wing is beginning to curve up, and cracks and a few bubbles have been forming. The paint has already cracked open along the trailing edge of the engine pylons and in certain areas of the trailing edge of the wings.

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Correct, seems to be a 1/400 airliner issue. None of my larger scale military aircraft have any issue.
Best to keep your suspect models away for the rest of your collect, to prevent the chances of zinc rot cross infection
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Just detected the rot on vertical stabiliser on a Gemini A380 GJMAS1104
Model made in 2012
Looks like still problems with poor metal. First I have seen in an A380 model ????
This model is the inflight sales version (blue livery)?
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Just getting into hobby, and wouldn't you know it, I have to worry about the same thing as with my metal Marklin stuff.
Hopefully if I do get zinc pest or such in any of my models, there's no cross-species interbreeding going on to allow infection.

Seriously - my understanding is there is little, if any, remedy for zinc pest. Correct?
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Just getting into hobby, and wouldn't you know it, I have to worry about the same thing as with my metal Marklin stuff.
Hopefully if I do get zinc pest or such in any of my models, there's no cross-species interbreeding going on to allow infection.

Seriously - my understanding is there is little, if any, remedy for zinc pest. Correct?
Correct. There's no stopping zinc rot since it's caused by contamination mixed into the metal used during the casting process. The model will essentially disintegrate over time. Some of the pics in this thread show models that are probably nothing but dust now.
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My 40 plus year old Aero Mini's are fine other than minimal decal yellowing!
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Looks like I might have a new one to add to the list here. I couldn't recall hearing of this one, but it looks like the 1:400 GJ US Airways 767-200 in 2005 colors is another victim of zinc rot. I just took mine out of the box last night for the first time in a few years and noticed the telltale signs of zinc rot just starting to show on the wings. The left wing is beginning to curve up, and cracks and a few bubbles have been forming. The paint has already cracked open along the trailing edge of the engine pylons and in certain areas of the trailing edge of the wings.

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Been a week and a half, and still no response from GJ. Nice customer service.
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Been a week and a half, and still no response from GJ. Nice customer service.
When my Portland Timbers model turned to dust,I to heard nothing from Gemini. Two emails with proof photos. Disappointed.
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I am happy to report that - as of this moment - neither of these models are displaying signs of zinc rot (knock on wood).

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Old 06-02-2016, 03:00 AM   #396 (permalink)
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At this moment (I did unpack more than 600 models and put them in the cabinets) I have 3 infected models:
Franklin Mint - Stuka - B11B263
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When my Portland Timbers model turned to dust,I to heard nothing from Gemini. Two emails with proof photos. Disappointed.
That is EXTREMELY disappointing. Despite the whole Velocity Models shenanigans, when James was still working at GJ, he did customers right by 1.) taking accountability for GJ selling a defective product and 2.) providing options to customers to keep them happy.

By purposely ignoring (I find it impossible to believe it's anything but intentional at this point) customer emails regarding DEFECTIVE products being sold (and thus running away from any accountability they should be owning up to like any reputable company should do), what's stopping them from continuing to sell contaminated models? It opens the door to them knowingly producing crap that will disintegrate on a customer's shelf if it prevents them from having to take any financial hit over fixing the problem.
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Posted on GJ's Facebook page about the zinc rot, and they promptly deleted the post. How professional.
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When GJ gets it right, they're as good, or as great as anybody, but they don't get it right consistently. There are definitely variations among their moulds - IMHO their 747 classics are a hot mess, their A-310s and new mould A-340-300 are killers. But then, even within their releases of a single mould/livery you never know what you will find in the box. I don't know who 'James' was, but we miss him. Later, Doug
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By purposely ignoring (I find it impossible to believe it's anything but intentional at this point) customer emails regarding DEFECTIVE products being sold (and thus running away from any accountability they should be owning up to like any reputable company should do), what's stopping them from continuing to sell contaminated models? It opens the door to them knowingly producing crap that will disintegrate on a customer's shelf if it prevents them from having to take any financial hit over fixing the problem.
If we keep seeing these sorts of reports about how Gemini handles contaminated models, they'll darn well start taking a financial hit when people stop buying their models.

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